Did we lose the 'culture war'?

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The following article came from Dr. David Reagan (Lamb and Lion Ministries) whom I respect.
Do you believe Christians have lost the 'culture war'? Do you care? Was there a war in the first place? Will there always be a war? What went wrong?

The Sunday after the Supreme Court's horrendous decision affirming the legality of the abomination called same-sex marriage, my pastor, Glenn Meredith, proclaimed that...
we as Christians need to face up to the fact that we have lost the culture war that has been raging in our nation for the last 60 years.

The loss of that war is a reality that is hard to face up to, but it is the truth. We will, of course, continue to speak out against the rampaging immorality in our society. We have to. Jesus Himself called us to be salt and light. But increasingly, we are going to be pushed aside and written off as marginal and irrelevant. Worse still, we are going to have to face increasing persecution for our biblical beliefs.

Christian beliefs have been producing persecution in our public universities for some time now. All across our nation university professors are being refused jobs or they are being passed over for tenure because of their Christian beliefs. Christian students are likewise suffering systematic discrimination in grades because of their biblical beliefs.

But this problem is not confined to the universities. Job discrimination based on Christian beliefs has become commonplace. A classic example of what I am talking about is the case of Dr. Eric Walsh in Georgia. Dr. Walsh is a renowned public health expert who also serves as a lay minister among Seventh Day Adventist Churches. He was hired by the state of Georgia to serve as a district health director in May of 2014. Soon thereafter some state officials ordered workers within the Department of Health to start investigating Dr. Walsh's sermons! As a result of their review of what he had preached regarding sexuality, world religions and creationism, he was fired. And this was done despite the fact that the Department's own counsel twice warned that "under federal law Dr. Walsh's religious beliefs could play no role in any employment decision by the Department of Health."

Think about this incredible story for a moment: public officials assigned to review the sermons of a colleague! What has this nation come to? I can answer that question. Because of our persistent rebellion and our refusal to repent, God has delivered us over to a depraved mind(Romans 1:28).

Churches are going to come under increasing attacks. Demands that they host same-sex marriages are going to increase and lead to expensive lawsuits. We are headed toward the total secularization of marriage — as is the case in most nations of the world where only the state can perform a legal marriage, and any follow-up at a church will be only window-dressing.

Pastors and ministry staffs are going to be stripped of their tax-exempt housing allowances. Demands will be made for all ministries and churches that refuse to endorse sexual perversion to be deprived of their tax exempt status. And pastors and evangelists who have the audacity to speak out against sexual perversion will be threatened with prosecution for engaging in "hate speech." It is already illegal in Canada to speak out against abortion or homosexuality on the public airwaves.

This coming wave of persecution was made clear recently in a stunningly candid essay by Dr. Mark Tushnet, a professor of constitutional law at Harvard Law School. The essay was prompted by the death of Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia. In the essay, Dr. Tushnet declared a total victory for liberals in the culture war. His message to Evangelical Christians was, "You lost, deal with it."

He then proceeded to advocate a hard line toward the "losers." He argued that being nice to losers does not work, as evidenced by what happened when that approach was used after the Civil War and after the Brown Decision mandating an end to segregation in the public schools.

Instead, he called for moral conservatives of all types to be treated like Germany and Japan at the end of World War II — a demand for unconditional surrender.

So, forget our constitution and its guarantee of protection of freedom of religion. The best interests of a secular and pagan society must prevail. Forget also about the original meaning of our constitution. After all, for our constitution to be relevant, it must be a "living document" that is constantly adapting to changes in the basic nature of our society.

Actually, we have already arrived at this point because our Supreme Court has made it very clear that our constitution means whatever the Court says it means.

Will we as Christians stand firm for the Word of God in the midst of increasing persecution, or will we seek popularity and acceptance by crawling in bed with society and endorsing its sins? Each professing Christian is going to be faced with this dilemma in one way or another. We need to decide now whether we are going to stand for the Lord or surrender to the god of this world.
 
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The Light is certainly shining more brightly in the gathering darkness.
 

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The Light is certainly shining more brightly in the gathering darkness.
Sad thing is, the darkness has a slow creep to it that many Christians are like the proverbial frog on slow cook.
Or maybe they have been caught up in the narcissism of the age.
 

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Jesus sighed deeply in His spirit and said, "Why does this generation demand a sign? Truly I tell you, no sign will be given to this generation."
Mark 8:12

Luke 11:29
As the crowds were increasing, Jesus said, "This is a wicked generation. It demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah."

Matthew 16:4
"A wicked and adulterous generation demands a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah." Then He left them and went away.

With great hope we await His return :)
 

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I was in a pentecostal church years ago where the youth leader was encouraging the young people to go see Titanic. The 'F' word and a naked woman in it. Seen this corruption in many bible believing, scripture quoting, devil shoving churches over the past 30 years...by the way, they didnt like me hanging around.......what was the question?.....oh yea...have we lost the culture war?....well do you think?
 
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I was in a pentecostal church years ago where the youth leader was encouraging the young people to go see Titanic. The 'F' word and a naked woman in it. Seen this corruption in many bible believing, scripture quoting, devil shoving churches over the past 30 years...by the way, they didnt like me hanging around.......what was the question?.....oh yea...have we lost the culture war?....well do you think?
I know! It's horrible. I actually saw a woman on TV recently wearing a dress that exposed her arms AND shoulders.
 
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There was never a 'culture war' to begin with.

Just because non believers have embraced sin does not mean we have lost anything.

We need to realize we live in a World where people have the right and freedom to reject God.

Matthew 7:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

We have lost NOTHING!
 

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Sure, even Scripture is being belittled by Christians...

Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things. (Php 4:8)

Abstain from all appearance of evil.
(1Th 5:22)

...as being 'legalistic...

but Peter has a word to say about that...

For when they speak great swelling words of vanity, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through much wantonness, those that were clean escaped from them who live in error. While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage.
(2Pe 2:18-19)
 

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There was never a 'culture war' to begin with.

Just because non believers have embraced sin does not mean we have lost anything.

We need to realize we live in a World where people have the right and freedom to reject God.

Matthew 7:13-14
[SUP]13 [/SUP]“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.

We have lost NOTHING!
What about the new laws being passed which increasingly reflect negative biblical values, e.g. abortion, homosexual marriage, further restrictions on Churches etc.?
 

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We are to judge those within, not those without. 1Cor. 5:12. I did a thread way back about the 'christian potty mouths'. Weeee dogey did i get made fun of. Thats how far the 'church', so called', has sunk. People tell me its dangerous that i dont 'go to church'. If i want to hear potty mouths i'll go to the local bar. They dont charge ten percent of my gross for the privilege. Even my good buddy Willie mocking me. But im not mad atcha Willie!:D
 
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Do these laws effect us in our Salvation or our walk with God? No.

Like i said, we live in a World where most people follow Satan, not God.

Just because a Country passes a law saying we cannot discriminate against a person if he is a Homosexual, in no ways effects our walk with Jesus!

Did you know back in the days of the Book of Acts it was illegal to be a Christian?

We are to judge only those who are Christians, we are NOT to judge those in the World.
 

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We are to judge those within, not those without. 1Cor. 5:12.
I guess it depends on one's perspective...e.g.

Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy. Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked. (Psa 82:3-4)

Learn to do well; seek judgment, relieve the oppressed, judge the fatherless, plead for the widow.
(Isa 1:17)

Rescue those who are being taken away to death; hold back those who are stumbling to the slaughter. If you say, "Behold, we did not know this," does not he who weighs the heart perceive it? Does not he who keeps watch over your soul know it, and will he not repay man according to his work?
(Pro 24:11-12)


Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
(Mat 18:10)
 

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Do these laws effect us in our Salvation or our walk with God? No.

Like i said, we live in a World where most people follow Satan, not God.

Just because a Country passes a law saying we cannot discriminate against a person if he is a Homosexual, in no ways effects our walk with Jesus!

Did you know back in the days of the Book of Acts it was illegal to be a Christian?

We are to judge only those who are Christians, we are NOT to judge those in the World.
So our country passes a law that says we can snuff out a child ...that doesn't affect that child? Or are we just being a wee narcissistic?
 

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We have been losing for a long time. I remember when I started attending university right after I was first saved. I was taking a course called "biogeography" which was the area I specialized in. The prof basically gave no indication of where he stood. Except he started talking about "relic" populations in the Amazon, and perhaps that was left over from some sort of world wide flood. When someone suggested glaciation, he noted that the Amazon basin had never been glaciated. And the geological evidence supported a flood.

I asked him quietly after class if he was a Christian and he said yes, but implied he would prefer it was not made public. So in 1980, professors were already being censured.

A few years later I took a course on multiculturalism for my teacher's certificate. We were supposed to interview someone from another country, and let them talk about how they keep their culture. Instead I interviewed a Christian couple from my church, the husband an East Indian from Fiji and the wife from the Philippines. They talked about Jesus, how he brought them together, how they had abandoned their former religious beliefs and how they both believed in assimilation, not multiculturalism. I even quote one saying "We are all one in Jesus Christ."

Well, that prof hated me! He couldn't penalize me for just making notes of what my friends said, which contradicted his beliefs. So he went through and rewrote my essay, making it say things I didn't want to say. He said I had a "terrible" writing style, and gave me an extremely low mark on that paper, and lower marks than usual on other papers. Ironically, I was taking another course, and the prof sent back my paper on the same day. His comment was about how refreshing it was to read my paper, because my writing style was excellent. That was my first real example of being persecuted for being a Christian - true, it was only a lower mark on that course, than any other course I have ever taken, but it was because I was a Christian. (All my profs always commenting on my good writing skills and style - so I guess I learned not to take it personally.)

So that was over 35 years ago! How much worse must it be these days in the academic world? Let alone the real world?
 

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We have been losing for a long time. I remember when I started attending university right after I was first saved. I was taking a course called "biogeography" which was the area I specialized in. The prof basically gave no indication of where he stood. Except he started talking about "relic" populations in the Amazon, and perhaps that was left over from some sort of world wide flood. When someone suggested glaciation, he noted that the Amazon basin had never been glaciated. And the geological evidence supported a flood.

I asked him quietly after class if he was a Christian and he said yes, but implied he would prefer it was not made public. So in 1980, professors were already being censured.

A few years later I took a course on multiculturalism for my teacher's certificate. We were supposed to interview someone from another country, and let them talk about how they keep their culture. Instead I interviewed a Christian couple from my church, the husband an East Indian from Fiji and the wife from the Philippines. They talked about Jesus, how he brought them together, how they had abandoned their former religious beliefs and how they both believed in assimilation, not multiculturalism. I even quote one saying "We are all one in Jesus Christ."

Well, that prof hated me! He couldn't penalize me for just making notes of what my friends said, which contradicted his beliefs. So he went through and rewrote my essay, making it say things I didn't want to say. He said I had a "terrible" writing style, and gave me an extremely low mark on that paper, and lower marks than usual on other papers. Ironically, I was taking another course, and the prof sent back my paper on the same day. His comment was about how refreshing it was to read my paper, because my writing style was excellent. That was my first real example of being persecuted for being a Christian - true, it was only a lower mark on that course, than any other course I have ever taken, but it was because I was a Christian. (All my profs always commenting on my good writing skills and style - so I guess I learned not to take it personally.)

So that was over 35 years ago! How much worse must it be these days in the academic world? Let alone the real world?
Thanks, it would be nice to hear from others, instances even more current of pressure or praise in the universitiy system as it dovetails nicely with the OP...

Christian beliefs have been producing persecution in our public universities for some time now. All across our nation university professors are being refused jobs or they are being passed over for tenure because of their Christian beliefs. Christian students are likewise suffering systematic discrimination in grades because of their biblical beliefs.
 

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Jesus said we are to be light and salt in the age (world). Is the church or even individual believers influencing the world or are they, the world, influencing us? Do we entertain their music or do we distinguish ourselves by our church music? How about the way we dress to go to church?

Most don't even know we have a war to fight let alone fight it.

Old evangelists like Billy Sunday would have meetings and the dance halls and bars would shut down while he was there and many never reopened.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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I wish I could remember which program it was, or who the guest speaker was... on Kari55 radio recently, they were talking about how the left has been allowed to shape the minds of North American youth for the last few decades, mostly unchecked, through higher educational venues where Christianity was systematically brought under fire.

Here is an article on it:

Obviously, Liberals have a very different philosophy than Conservatives. That is why a growing number of people are concerned about the unusual and disproportionate inequality that exists between Liberal professors and Conservative professors within America’s colleges and universities today. When there is an inequality as great as nine liberal professors to one Conservative professor in a college, it is impossible to believe the students are receiving a fair and balanced education. Parents and the public are seeking answers as to why the imbalance exists and calling upon universities to examine how to create a more balanced environment and learning experience for their children. Why Are Our Colleges and Universities Dominated by Liberals? | Somewhat Reasonable


 
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All that was lost was the ability to make them ''hide'' what they were doing. Cant loose culture, culture is who you are.
I say hide bc they will do what they want, they now have a right to do so openly and its expected to be accepted by everyone
 
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switch of power
the beaten become the one who beats