Is Apocrypha Inspired of God?

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.
J

jaybird88

Guest
#101
#101
redeemed2014 said:
Jashar is not part of the Apocrypha how would they be referring to a book that has not been written yet. The Apocrypha was wrote during the dark ages between Malachi and the new testament.
Click to expand...
Apocrypha just means hidden book. Jasher was not in the Septuagint with the other apocrypha books. many believe it does not exist and the Jasher today is a forgery. the point is why would inspired word reference books that are fakes or non existent
.

Can you show evidence that the letter from Laodicea was referring to the Apocrypha. Paul wrote epistles to church's in different areas which were then copied by that church and circulated among other church's this is what Paul was talking about. Also Paul when he was formally known as Saul was a pharisee of pharisee's which would indicate from what I can gather (The Jew did not accept the Apocrypha as the Word of God) that he also would have rejected this writing.
Click to expand...
the Jews changed their canon to what we know today around 90 AD which would be after paul wrote colossians. i have no idea what paul was thinking when he told them to read the letter. the point is thats its one of those books we are told to stay away from yet paul is telling people to read it.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
1

1LonelyKnight

Guest
#102
#102
The British Puritan revolution of the 1600s brought a change in the way many British publishers handled the apocryphal material associated with the Bible. The Puritans used the standard of Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone) to determine which books would be included in the canon.

The Westminster Confession of Faith, composed during the British Civil Wars (1642–1651), excluded the Apocrypha from the canon. The Confession provided the rationale for the exclusion:
'The books commonly called Apocrypha, not being of divine inspiration, are no part of the canon of the Scripture, and therefore are of no authority in the church of God, nor to be any otherwise approved, or made use of, than other human writings'
Click to expand...
Thus, Bibles printed by English Protestants who separated from the Church of England began to exclude these books.

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha?wprov=sfla1
 
L

lifeconnects

Guest
#103
#103
1LonelyKnight said:
The British Puritan revolution of the 1600s brought a change in the way many British publishers handled the apocryphal material associated with the Bible. The Puritans used the standard of Sola Scriptura (Scripture Alone) to determine which books would be included in the canon.

The Westminster Confession of Faith, composed during the British Civil Wars (1642–1651), excluded the Apocrypha from the canon. The Confession provided the rationale for the exclusion:
[/b] Thus, Bibles printed by English Protestants who separated from the Church of England began to exclude these books.

Reference: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biblical_apocrypha?wprov=sfla1
Click to expand...
good point
 
J

jaybird88

Guest
#104
#104
lifeconnects said:
good point
Click to expand...
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God[a] may be complete, equipped for every good work.

at the time this statement was made there was no Jewish, Catholic or protestant canon. the only thing left would be the LXX which included many of these Apocrypha books. Jesus and the 12 didnt seem to have a problem with them.
 
trofimus

trofimus

Senior Member
#105
Aug 17, 2015
10,684
794
113
#105
I think they are not less inspired than for example Ester and similar books.

I think there were some books with the most high priority - 5 books of Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Psalms etc.

Then there were books like Ester, Ruth, Song of Songs, Proverbs and most of what we call the apocrypha. They were used as inspired too, but not as much as the first group.
 
J

jaybird88

Guest
#106
#106
trofimus said:
I think they are not less inspired than for example Ester and similar books.

I think there were some books with the most high priority - 5 books of Moses, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Psalms etc.

Then there were books like Ester, Ruth, Song of Songs, Proverbs and most of what we call the apocrypha. They were used as inspired too, but not as much as the first group.
Click to expand...
i think there is to much emphases on inspired or not inspired. once you put a label of "not inspired" on a book it deminishes what Timothy says "and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness"

Jesus ,the 12, St Paul and the early church fathers used teachings from these books for a reason. yet many churches are telling their people to stay away from them. what did Jesus say about hiding the keys to the kingdom.
 
tanakh

tanakh

Senior Member
#107
Dec 1, 2015
4,635
1,040
113
76
#107
jaybird88 said:
2 Timothy 3:16-17
16 All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, 17 that the man of God[a] may be complete, equipped for every good work.

at the time this statement was made there was no Jewish, Catholic or protestant canon. the only thing left would be the LXX which included many of these Apocrypha books. Jesus and the 12 didnt seem to have a problem with them.
Click to expand...
There was a number of books in use during the time of Jesus. Apart from those which we call the Apocrypha used by the Catholic and Orthodox Churches there was also others such as Enoch, Jubilees and Jasher the first two are still recognized by the Ethiopian Church. The book of Jasher is mentioned in the Bible along with others that are mainly lost. At that time the only books that were considered 'The word of God' were the first five in the OT.

These books do have some sections that tie in with our Bible but others that do not but they all had some influence on the writers of the NT and the Holy Spirit brought it into mind when they wrote. One well known quote from Enoch is used by Jude. There are also allusions to Enoch in Peters letters, the Gospels and Revelation. But in the main the book is boringly repetitive and appears to be a combination of more than one. It was found among the Dead Sea Scrolls so the Essene's must have used it. I feel that these books are interesting but not on the same level as Scripture. There are a large number of these sort of writings that would make several more Bibles
 
tanakh

tanakh

Senior Member
#108
Dec 1, 2015
4,635
1,040
113
76
#108
I just want to clarify my statement about the first five books being considered the word of God. I meant that those books were believed to have been spoken by God and dictated to Moses. Even today the Jewish Bible is divided into three main sections according to the degree of inspiration
ascribed to the books included. Another verbal stoning avoided I hope!
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.