Is Apocrypha Inspired of God?

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mailmandan

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Errors in the Apocrypha
by Matt Slick

The apocrypha (απόκρυφα means "hidden") is a set of books written between approximately 400 B.C. and the time of Christ that is rejected by the Protestants and officially accepted by the Roman Catholic Church in 1546 as being inspired. These books are Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (also known as Ecclesiasticus), and Baruch.

But if the Apocrypha is a Scripture, then it should not have any errors. But since it does have errors, as will be demonstrated below, this puts into question whether or not the Roman Catholic Church has properly used its self-proclaimed position as the teaching authority of the Christian Church. If it can error in such an important manner as what is Scripture, can it be trusted to properly teach the Christian Church? The following references can be verified at http://www.newadvent.org/bible.

Problems in the Apocrypha
When we look into the apocrypha itself, we find numerous problems. For example, we see it advocating magic where the smoke of a fish heart on a fire drives away devils.

Condones the use of magic

Tobit 6:5-7, "Then the angel said to him: Take out the entrails of this fish, and lay up his heart, and his gall, and his liver for thee: for these are necessary for useful medicines. 6 And when he had done so, he roasted the flesh thereof, and they took it with them in the way: the rest they salted as much as might serve them, till they came to Rages the city of the Medes. 7 Then Tobias asked the angel, and said to him: I beseech thee, brother Azarias, tell me what remedies are these things good for, which thou hast bid me keep of the fish? 8 And the angel, answering, said to him: If thou put a little piece of its heart upon coals, the smoke thereof driveth away all kind of devils, either from man or from woman, so that they come no more to them."

Is it true that the smoke from a fish's heart, when burned, drives away evil spirits? Of course not. Such a superstitious teaching has no place in the word of God.

Teaches that forgiveness of sins is by human effort

Salvation by works

Tobit 4:11, "For alms deliver from all sin, and from death, and will not suffer the soul to go into darkness."
Tobit 12:9, "For alms delivereth from death, and the same is that which purgeth away sins, and maketh to find mercy and life everlasting."
We know from Scripture that alms (money or food given to the poor or needy as charity) does not purge our sins. The blood of Christ is what cleanses us--not money or food given to poor people. "but if we walk in the light as He Himself is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus His Son cleanses us from all sin." (1 John 1:7).

Money as an offering for the sins of the dead:

2 Maccabbees 12:43, "And making a gathering, he sent twelve thousand drachms of silver to Jerusalem for sacrifice to be offered for the sins of the dead, thinking well and religiously concerning the resurrection."

Can anyone truly accept that money isn't offering for the sins of dead people? Such a superstitious and unbiblical concept has no place in Scripture.

Historical Errors

Wrong historical facts:

Judith 1:5, "Now in the twelfth year of his reign, Nabuchodonosor, king of the Assyrians, who reigned in Ninive the great city, fought against Arphaxad and overcame him."
Baruch 6:2, "And when you are come into Babylon, you shall be there many years, and for a long time, even to seven generations: and after that I will bring you away from thence with peace."
The book of Judith incorrectly says that Nebuchadnezzar was the king of the Assyrians when he was the king of the Babylonians.1

Baruch 6:2 says the Jews would serve in Babylon for seven generations where Jer. 25:11 says it was for 70 years. "And this whole land shall be a desolation and a horror, and these nations shall serve the king of Babylon seventy years."

Conclusion

Obviously the apocrypha has serious problems. From magic, to salvation by works, to money as an offering for the sins of the dead, and blatant incorrect historical facts--it is full of false and unbiblical teachings. It isn't inspired of God. Likewise, neither is the Roman Catholic Church, which has stated the Apocrypha is inspired. This shows the Roman Catholic Church is not the means by which God is communicating his truth to his people, that the Magisterium has erred greatly, and that it is infested with man's false tradition rather than God's absolute truth. - https://carm.org/errors-apocrypha
 
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Yahweh_is_gracious

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This isn't an issue that's going to get solved. It's another polar issue, and that's unfortunate. I wouldn't have the understanding of accepted Scripture I do without also having my 5 volumes of The Researchers Library of Ancient Texts, my 2 volume set of the Old Testament Pseudipigrapha, and all the other additions to my library. Maybe it's because I am, by nature and by training, the type of person who is trained to read from multiple sources to research instead of just one source, but I'm not going to accept the blanket statement that 66 books = good and anything extra = bad.
 

valiant

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This isn't an issue that's going to get solved. It's another polar issue, and that's unfortunate. I wouldn't have the understanding of accepted Scripture I do without also having my 5 volumes of The Researchers Library of Ancient Texts, my 2 volume set of the Old Testament Pseudipigrapha, and all the other additions to my library. Maybe it's because I am, by nature and by training, the type of person who is trained to read from multiple sources to research instead of just one source, but I'm not going to accept the blanket statement that 66 books = good and anything extra = bad.
The issue was solved by Jesus who accepted the 39 books we have in Scripture alone as inspired,.

The apocrypha is useful historically but was not accepted by Jesus as Scripture,

it is not a question of bad and good, It is a question of generally good literature, compared with inspired Scripture.
 
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I don't agree with you. I appreciate your trying to educate me, but you're wasting your time. I'll read what I want and I'll form my own opinions about it. I have that habit; making up my own mind I mean. If strangers on some obscure Internet message board think less of me because I get use out of the Book of Enoch, then I'll do my best (sarcasm) to not let it disrupt my sleep.
 
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1LonelyKnight

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Errors in the Apocrypha
by Matt Slick

The apocrypha (απόκρυφα means "hidden") is a set of books written between approximately 400 B.C. and the time of Christ that is rejected by the Protestants and officially accepted by the Roman Catholic Church in 1546 as being inspired. These books are Tobit, Judith, 1 and 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach (also known as Ecclesiasticus), and Baruch.

But if the Apocrypha is a Scripture, then it should not have any errors. But since it does have errors, as will be demonstrated below, this puts into question whether or not the Roman Catholic Church has properly used its self-proclaimed position as the teaching authority of the Christian Church. If it can error in such an important manner as what is Scripture, can it be trusted to properly teach the Christian Church? The following references can be verified at http://www.newadvent.org/bible.

Problems in the Apocrypha

Etc etc etc ....

Conclusion

Obviously the apocrypha has serious problems. From magic, to salvation by works, to money as an offering for the sins of the dead, and blatant incorrect historical facts--it is full of false and unbiblical teachings. It isn't inspired of God. Likewise, neither is the Roman Catholic Church, which has stated the Apocrypha is inspired. This shows the Roman Catholic Church is not the means by which God is communicating his truth to his people, that the Magisterium has erred greatly, and that it is infested with man's false tradition rather than God's absolute truth. - https://carm.org/errors-apocrypha
Poor Matt Slick - Idaho's not a safe enough place to hide. Perhaps Idaho could be turned into a reservation for Baptist Calvinist Tulip people and the Mormons - they deserve their own space ... Lots of energy wasted on paper and radio waves and internet servers ...
 
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What may you think proves that precisely ? I didn't say anything wrong to you.



Like I said, I didn't misjudge. Some people may compare my posts and your posts in this thread and guess why I said what I said.



What may you think proves that precisely ? I'm led by The Holy Spirit.



I didn't judge you would believe it. I'm not boasting, I have posted more than 300 posts in this website. I have sent many private messages.



I have never said I'm the only one led by The Holy Spirit. I'm led by the Holy Spirit. God knows you will never prove that I am not led by The Holy Spirit.


I judge it's right to appreciate people working to say things to be helpful to me. Before you said that, I wasn't thinking more highly of myself than I should.
Truthfully, I don't usually read what you say for a a few reasons, including you think you are canonical.
 
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1LonelyKnight

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The issue was solved by Jesus who accepted the 39 books we have in Scripture alone as inspired,.

The apocrypha is useful historically but was not accepted by Jesus as Scripture,

it is not a question of bad and good, It is a question of generally good literature, compared with inspired Scripture.
I agree the apocrypha are history and not doctrine (see earlier post). A question tho, hypothetical as it is; in a court of law, or say before the judgment seat of God, would the documents be valid evidence of a history of [a] people and their practices?

Perhaps Paul the Benjamite Pharisee was wise to say ... Love keeps no record of wrongs ...
 

miknik5

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no...............
Only if you are born again of HIS SPIRIT.
If not, no...it isn't...
It is the SPIRIT of TRUTH who leads us to all truth (or the lack of truth) in all things.
 
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jaybird88

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I find it so hillarious when people say stuff and have no idea what theyre sayin but they wanna boast and then they get an answer like yours..haha Good Mornin brother
morning lil sis! thats just one of many. "do on to others" and store up treasures in heaven" are also apocrypha.

so you show them these parallel passages and they come back with "these are not word for word quotes", well did Jesus really need to carry scrolls with Him everywhere He went to quote from, i think not. would He have used teachings the people would have recognized, i think yes. if Jesus was not referencing these books then teachings like "a tree and its fruit" are no where else in the bible.
the pharisees were familiar with them as well. when they tested Jesus on the woman with all the dead husbands, its a story from Tobet. that would have been a perfect opportunity for Jesus to correct everyone on not accepting these books, and He does not.
 
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Truthfully, I don't usually read what you say for a a few reasons, including you think you are canonical.
I'm testing you, what did you mean by "canonical" ?
 

tanakh

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I'm not sure what the big deal is concerning the Apocrypha. Many never bother to read the ''official'' scriptures let alone
the unofficial ones. This thing concerning doctrines there are a number of modern authors that some appear to make doctrines from. the only reason the RCC made the Apocryphal books official was because the reformers questioned their inclusion as scripture. Before the reformation very few ever gave it any thought.
 

Demi777

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morning lil sis! thats just one of many. "do on to others" and store up treasures in heaven" are also apocrypha.

so you show them these parallel passages and they come back with "these are not word for word quotes", well did Jesus really need to carry scrolls with Him everywhere He went to quote from, i think not. would He have used teachings the people would have recognized, i think yes. if Jesus was not referencing these books then teachings like "a tree and its fruit" are no where else in the bible.
the pharisees were familiar with them as well. when they tested Jesus on the woman with all the dead husbands, its a story from Tobet. that would have been a perfect opportunity for Jesus to correct everyone on not accepting these books, and He does not.
Completely agree with ya. Best is read em and ask the holy spirit on whats true and what not. :) God bless u
 
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This isn't an issue that's going to get solved. It's another polar issue, and that's unfortunate. I wouldn't have the understanding of accepted Scripture I do without also having my 5 volumes of The Researchers Library of Ancient Texts, my 2 volume set of the Old Testament Pseudipigrapha, and all the other additions to my library. Maybe it's because I am, by nature and by training, the type of person who is trained to read from multiple sources to research instead of just one source, but I'm not going to accept the blanket statement that 66 books = good and anything extra = bad.
Actually, as I already explained, this is resolved. 1500 years ago. To think it's not is like thinking Alaska isn't part of the US.

This isn't good vs. bad. It's inspired vs. not inspired. I think Walden is a great book, but it's not inspired by God. I think Piper, Boise, Clark (both Adam and Gordon) are great writers well worth reading, but they aren't inspired by God. That's the difference. Don't get tripped up on everyone's opinion of those minor books. The question is "inspired?" Not "good or bad?" Just because folks hit good or bad doesn't make it the question at hand.

And I usually agree with you. Go figure. lol
 
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Actually, as I already explained, this is resolved. 1500 years ago. To think it's not is like thinking Alaska isn't part of the US.

This isn't good vs. bad. It's inspired vs. not inspired. I think Walden is a great book, but it's not inspired by God. I think Piper, Boise, Clark (both Adam and Gordon) are great writers well worth reading, but they aren't inspired by God. That's the difference. Don't get tripped up on everyone's opinion of those minor books. The question is "inspired?" Not "good or bad?" Just because folks hit good or bad doesn't make it the question at hand.

And I usually agree with you. Go figure. lol
Did you think those words you posted were inspired by God and are truth ? Maybe you won't lie deliberately.
 
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tyndale

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100% not inspired or else god would have seen to it that it made its way into the bible he ment us to have in the last days . im totally convinced the kjv that we have today is what the lord wanted us to have . read psalm ch 12 v 6 and 7
 
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*sigh* Nope, it's just not worth it. Thanks for letting me play in your thread folks. Like eating a skunk, I've had all of this I can stand.
 
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jaybird88

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100% not inspired or else god would have seen to it that it made its way into the bible he ment us to have in the last days . im totally convinced the kjv that we have today is what the lord wanted us to have . read psalm ch 12 v 6 and 7
it was councils that decided whats in the bible. if you think these councils were lead by our Lord please explain what lead these councils to such things as inquisitions, crusades and villages full of women and children being slaughtered.