Does God kill christians in judgement?

[pottersclay]

We are all the Lord's anointed. It is important to take God at His word by studying it all out in light of the gospel. There is no direct scripture that says these were true believers. There is evidence that they were in fact not believers.

No place does it say that they were believers other then wanting to join them and we have people for all kinds of reasons wanting to join churches today - and they are not all Christians.

How could satan fill their heart if they were believers in Christ? Christ lives in our heart now - did Christ get kicked out?

That would mean that satan can come into the believers heart but we know that we are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we believe. in Christ. Eph 1:13

I think that this couple were wanting to join the Christians and get in on the things being shared by all the others and so they held back their money of the land they had sold.

When the couple died Acts 5:11 says that great fear came over all who heard of these things that happened to the couple. Then in verse 13 the scripture says something very interesting.

Acts 5:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But none of the rest dared to associate with them; however, the people held them in high esteem.

It appears that there were some people trying to associate with the apostles and Christians but after that - they didn't dare try to associate with them.


I still believe that the couple were not Christians as the scripture doesn't come out and say it. I believe that Peter had a word of wisdom of the future of what was going to happen to the couple. I also don't believe that satan can fill the heart of a believer as that is where the Holy Spirit is now in the saint of God. Sealed.

And the fact that the "others dared not associate with them" - this shows there were some that were trying or wanting to join up with the believers that weren't really believers. Acts 5:13

If God was going to "judge" by supposedly killing us for these types of sins - then most of us would be guilty in some form or other at one time in our life of doing something like this couple did. ( not the land thing but lying to Christians which is lying to the Holy Spirit )

Any way I don't believe for a second that God kill them as religious teachings say but we are all entitled to believe what we want in these obscure scriptures types of situations....

Jesus rebuked Peter yet I suppose the argument of Peter could be that the holy spirit did not come to them yet.
Scripture is clear that they were physically dead...chances of both being dead for the same offence...on the same day...with in hrs. At the same place. I think the fear came because of the Jewish believers see the similarities in the tithe offering they knew going so wrong here in there eyes drew question as to was this sanctioned by God.

 

[JaumeJ]

Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.

 

[TMS]

Life is only from God so every breath is thanks to God. When we sinned we should have died. Judgement from God comes after probation closes (it closes when we die or before He comes).
2Pe 3:12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
2Pe 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
2Pe 3:14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.
Mat 11:24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the day of judgment, than for thee.

 

[JaumeJ]

God's sunshine and rain are shared by the just and unjust alike with no distinction.

God will chasten those whom He loves, but taking His breath back to Himself from any is hardly a chastisemet, it is final until judment.

God does not "kill" in order to punihs His children, though many may feel like he should, He does not.

 

[PeterJens]

God's sunshine and rain are shared by the just and unjust alike with no distinction.

God will chasten those whom He loves, but taking His breath back to Himself from any is hardly a chastisemet, it is final until judment.

God does not "kill" in order to punihs His children, though many may feel like he should, He does not.

I have always thought as the Lords way is not so much punishment as removal.
You punish so that someone might learn a lesson.
If you remove someone completely the lesson is for those left behind.

 

[Grace777x70]

God's sunshine and rain are shared by the just and unjust alike with no distinction.

God will chasten those whom He loves, but taking His breath back to Himself from any is hardly a chastisemet, it is final until judment.

God does not "kill" in order to punihs His children, though many may feel like he should, He does not.

Well said.

God "killing His beloved children" just violates so much of the New Covenant that to me it is unthinkable no matter what our religious teachings have said to us in the past. We are in the covenant of grace now because of what the Lord Jesus Christ already has done for us.

There is a day of judgment that is coming and everyone will be judged through Jesus Christ but until that happens we are still operating under God's grace in Christ alone for living.

Even in the Old Testament before Mt. Sinai and the Law was given - the children of Israel were being dealt with by the Abrahamic Covenant of grace only and not one person was killed by anything after they were delivered from Egypt.

Even when they murmured and complained - nothing happened to them. Once the Law was asked for by the Israelites - then judgment came every time to them when they "missed the mark." Thank God for the covenant of grace in Christ Jesus!

 

[RBA238]

The texts for this subject are

So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
1 Cor 11:28-32

"Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?" ...... "When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died."
Sapphira lied - "At that moment she fell down at his feet and died."
Acts 5:3-10

Here is a statement by a believer who thinks this
"I don't believe in this age of grace in the New Covenant that God kills anyone or we would all be gone for something we have done wrong in our past."

Now after the cross, in front of Peter two die, in judgement for lying to the Lord.
Paul talks of God judging christians, not loosing their salvation, but being taken
for not honouring the Lord in a worthy manner.

Now if you are a hyper-legalist, you believe christians do this all the time, and
are in continual sin, so it seems wrong to judge out of context.

It suggests to me exactly the opposite. It suggests we walk in righteousness
and purity, but dishonouring Christ and the cross is cutting at the heart of our
relationship with Christ, and lying about something openly before God, is worthy
of extreme reaction to offence. This is testing the very authority of God and
His holiness, and treating it with disregard.

Personally I do not see how the scriptures can be contradicted and conclude
the hyper-legalists are wrong.

It is another example where talking about a Holy God being totally friendly while
believing people are sent to hell to be tortured for all eternity is ludicrous and self
deceiving. More so if these very believers do not change their lives at all other
than becoming believers in their sin being atoned for.

Here is One Example of how people THOUGHT they were following Jesus, but he cast them out to their Shock
..Matthew 25 verses 1-13..." The Parable Jesus told us, about The Five WISE and Five FOOLISH Virgins"....The Virgins denotes they were once pure, Holy, and served The Lord fsithfully...But Satan put ideas in their heads, and they slowly got weaker, and weaker in their walk with Jesus. The Five Wise stayed on fire for Jesus and never let go....When The Rapture of The Church hits..The 5 Wise were taken to heaven in The Rapture, the 5 Foolish got left behind. They "Played Church" and to the 5 foolish it was a social gathering rather then a praise and honor for Jesus.. Sound Familiar? These are those Jesus Casts out they never make it to Heaven...This Passage also teaches us, then "Once Saved, Always Saved" is nothing but a Myth from Satan..

 

[RBA238]

The texts for this subject are

So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
1 Cor 11:28-32

"Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?" ...... "When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died."
Sapphira lied - "At that moment she fell down at his feet and died."
Acts 5:3-10

Here is a statement by a believer who thinks this
"I don't believe in this age of grace in the New Covenant that God kills anyone or we would all be gone for something we have done wrong in our past."

Now after the cross, in front of Peter two die, in judgement for lying to the Lord.
Paul talks of God judging christians, not loosing their salvation, but being taken
for not honouring the Lord in a worthy manner.

Now if you are a hyper-legalist, you believe christians do this all the time, and
are in continual sin, so it seems wrong to judge out of context.

It suggests to me exactly the opposite. It suggests we walk in righteousness
and purity, but dishonouring Christ and the cross is cutting at the heart of our
relationship with Christ, and lying about something openly before God, is worthy
of extreme reaction to offence. This is testing the very authority of God and
His holiness, and treating it with disregard.

Personally I do not see how the scriptures can be contradicted and conclude
the hyper-legalists are wrong.

It is another example where talking about a Holy God being totally friendly while
believing people are sent to hell to be tortured for all eternity is ludicrous and self
deceiving. More so if these very believers do not change their lives at all other
than becoming believers in their sin being atoned for.

Have you ever read the Story in Acts Chapter 5?
A man called Aninias, and his wife Sapphira. Sold a piece of property and were to pay Titles to the Apostles to help The New Christian Church..Well The Man and His wife lied to Apostle Peter about how much The property was actually really worth..read this story..God told Peter in Spirit what these "Christians" lied about...God struck them both..Graveyard Dead!

Common sense tells us, never lie to Tbe Preacher annointed by God.
God did that to put fear into tbe hearts of those who witnessed that event..God does not play.

 

[UnderGrace]

Have you ever read the Story in Acts Chapter 5?
A man called Aninias, and his wife Sapphira. Sold a piece of property and were to pay Titles to the Apostles to help The New Christian Church..Well The Man and His wife lied to Apostle Peter about how much The property was actually really worth..read this story..God told Peter in Spirit what these "Christians" lied about...God struck them both..Graveyard Dead!

Common sense tells us, never lie to Tbe Preacher annointed by God.
God did that to put fear into tbe hearts of those who witnessed that event..God does not play.

Is it about lying to the anointed (preacher) by God, or more about testing the Spirit of the Lord?

I tend to think it is the latter.

But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.”

 

[RBA238]

Is it about lying to the anointed (preacher) by God, or more about testing the Spirit of the Lord?

I tend to think it is the latter.

But Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to test the Spirit of the Lord? Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.”

It is a terrible thing to be on the chastise side of The Lord..

 

[UnderGrace]

It is a terrible thing to be on the chastise side of The Lord..

Yes, ultimately that is what is being shown in this passage..... I agree.

 

[Ariel82]

Here is One Example of how people THOUGHT they were following Jesus, but he cast them out to their Shock
..Matthew 25 verses 1-13..." The Parable Jesus told us, about The Five WISE and Five FOOLISH Virgins"....The Virgins denotes they were once pure, Holy, and served The Lord fsithfully...But Satan put ideas in their heads, and they slowly got weaker, and weaker in their walk with Jesus. The Five Wise stayed on fire for Jesus and never let go....When The Rapture of The Church hits..The 5 Wise were taken to heaven in The Rapture, the 5 Foolish got left behind. They "Played Church" and to the 5 foolish it was a social gathering rather then a praise and honor for Jesus.. Sound Familiar? These are those Jesus Casts out they never make it to Heaven...This Passage also teaches us, then "Once Saved, Always Saved" is nothing but a Myth from Satan..

More it's about those who had the Holy Spirit (oil for their lamps) and those who trusted in their own good works (which burnt up before the groom came).

 

[pottersclay]

It is a terrible thing to be on the chastise side of The Lord..

Wrong quote .....gotta watch that. It's a beautiful thing to be corrected by God it means he loves you. For those he loves he chastens.

 

[RBA238]

Wrong quote .....gotta watch that. It's a beautiful thing to be corrected by God it means he loves you. For those he loves he chastens.

I agree it is good for God to correct you for errors. What I was referring was tonThe Husband and his wife in Acts Chapter Five for lying...read it

 

[pottersclay]

[FONT=&quot]Hebrews 10:31 [/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God

[FONT=&quot]Hebrews 12:6[/FONT]
For whom the Lord loves He chastens, And scourges every son whom He receives​
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[know1]

The texts for this subject are

So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep. But if we were more discerning with regard to ourselves, we would not come under such judgment. Nevertheless, when we are judged in this way by the Lord, we are being disciplined so that we will not be finally condemned with the world.
1 Cor 11:28-32

"Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land?" ...... "When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died."
Sapphira lied - "At that moment she fell down at his feet and died."
Acts 5:3-10

Here is a statement by a believer who thinks this
"I don't believe in this age of grace in the New Covenant that God kills anyone or we would all be gone for something we have done wrong in our past."

Now after the cross, in front of Peter two die, in judgement for lying to the Lord.
Paul talks of God judging christians, not loosing their salvation, but being taken
for not honouring the Lord in a worthy manner.

Now if you are a hyper-legalist, you believe christians do this all the time, and
are in continual sin, so it seems wrong to judge out of context.

It suggests to me exactly the opposite. It suggests we walk in righteousness
and purity, but dishonouring Christ and the cross is cutting at the heart of our
relationship with Christ, and lying about something openly before God, is worthy
of extreme reaction to offence. This is testing the very authority of God and
His holiness, and treating it with disregard.

Personally I do not see how the scriptures can be contradicted and conclude
the hyper-legalists are wrong.

It is another example where talking about a Holy God being totally friendly while
believing people are sent to hell to be tortured for all eternity is ludicrous and self
deceiving. More so if these very believers do not change their lives at all other
than becoming believers in their sin being atoned for.

Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.

Jas 3:1 My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation.
Jas 3:2 For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.

My personal opinion is that it depends on how close and long you have walked with the Lord and how much you know or don't know, and to whom you sinned against, that will determine how severe the punishment will be on the child of God.

 

[know1]

Pro 13:24 He that spareth his rod hateth his son: but he that loveth him chasteneth him betimes.