God's Eternity?

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BELIEVER: Our eternal God is also a personal God. He has conscious preferences and behaves intelligently to bring about what he prefers. God thinks, calculates, plans, chooses and imagines.

TALISHI: Planning things and bringing them about requires that God exists in the present like we do, at a certain point of time that advances. There is a past, a present, and a future to a God who chooses and imagines. A being who experiences time divided in this way, from inside rather than outside, is not eternal. Such a deity takes life one day at a time, like we do, rather than takes in the entire panoply of history in a single glance.
 
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Atheism 101
 
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The Trinity: father, son and holy spirit

They are different aspects of the same God.

The Son deals with the day by day but is One with the Father who is eternal.

At what point is a sunbeam no longer part of the sun?
 
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The Trinity: father, son and holy spirit

They are different aspects of the same God.

The Son deals with the day by day but is One with the Father who is eternal.

At what point is a sunbeam no longer part of the sun?
I like this reply, it appeals to my rejection of duality. Thanks.
 
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Don't think you need help with your rejection of things, but Maybe one day God will touch your heart and open your eyes to Him and His love.

From your responses I doubt you will be here long. We will pray for your salvation.
 
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God exists outside of time. He see's the beginning of time and the end of time all at the same time.

Your god is limited to only one point in time because your god was created by my God. There is only one God who lives in a place that has no time because He is Eternal. He exists outside of what He created.

Your god is very limited in what he can do. This is why you cannot understand the True God who i Worship. The god of this world is the god you worship, not my God who created everything.

You are walking in Darkness Talishi because you do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit.

Repent Talishi and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior before its too late and you die without Him. You cannot enter into Heaven with us True Children of God until you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior.
 

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God is eternal and not bound by universal time that He created...
 
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Planning things and bringing them about requires that God exists in the present like we do, at a certain point of time that advances.
Can you prove it?
 
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BELIEVER: Our eternal God is also a personal God. He has conscious preferences and behaves intelligently to bring about what he prefers. God thinks, calculates, plans, chooses and imagines.
Not language that I would use. But from man's POV it may appear that way.

TALISHI: Planning things and bringing them about requires that God exists in the present like we do, at a certain point of time that advances.
Why?

There is a past, a present, and a future to a God who chooses and imagines.
I wouldn't say that God chooses or imagines. Rather He knows and does.

A being who experiences time divided in this way, from inside rather than outside, is not eternal. Such a deity takes life one day at a time, like we do, rather thantakes in the entire panoply of history in a single glance.
That's just it, God doesn't "experience" time the way we do. Because He is outside of time He sees all of time in His eternal now. Of course in Jesus incarnation we see God incredibly inserting Himself into time and into our own human history.
 
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God is eternal and not bound by universal time that He created...
If that is the case, then God would have seen, in advance, two things that he regretted doing.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

1 Samuel 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.
 
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Why are you quoting from the Scriptures Talishi?

How can you quote from the Scriptures and reject Jesus at the same time?

Repent Talishi, accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.
 
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Nah, I don't mind talking to atheist.

Just stating an observation. You have broken a few of the site rules.
 
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If that is the case, then God would have seen, in advance, two things that he regretted doing.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

1 Samuel 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.
He did see His regret. I'll add He saw it and still thought us worth it.
 
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Why are you quoting from the Scriptures Talishi?

How can you quote from the Scriptures and reject Jesus at the same time?
Because the Scriptures are so contradictory about the "most pivotal event in human history" that the resurrection must have been an invention. One example:

Q. Where did the risen Jesus first meet the disciples?

Matthew: On a mountain in Galilee.

Mark: To the Eleven at a meal in the Upper Room.

Luke: Emmaus, a village near Jerusalem.

John: To the Ten in in the Upper Room.
 
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Nah, I don't mind talking to atheist.

Just stating an observation. You have broken a few of the site rules.
Which ones do you say I broke, that I may amend my actions?
 

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BELIEVER: Our eternal God is also a personal God. He has conscious preferences and behaves intelligently to bring about what he prefers. God thinks, calculates, plans, chooses and imagines.

TALISHI: Planning things and bringing them about requires that God exists in the present like we do, at a certain point of time that advances. There is a past, a present, and a future to a God who chooses and imagines. A being who experiences time divided in this way, from inside rather than outside, is not eternal. Such a deity takes life one day at a time, like we do, rather than takes in the entire panoply of history in a single glance.
God is able to see into one day, one thousand years...which means HE knows the end from the beginning.

And HE did...
We are the ones who don't...which is why we walk by faith in HIM...trusting in HIM with our lives...even when what is before us was NOT what we had planned, or would have chosen.
 
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I have no use for what you are trying to do here and I have not tried to hide it

you have no wisdom in what you say .. you desire to hurt because of your own disappointment in life and you blame God

you are not near as smart as you try to make yourself out to be

your desire is to destroy the faith of others...as Ariel said, we can pray for you...but you seem determined to shake your fist in God's face


Some people assert that the Gospel accounts of the locations, witnesses, and timing of the post-Resurrection appearances of Jesus are contradictory. Scripture exhorts us to be always prepared with answers (1 Peter 3:15) for the hope that is in us. Since these answers and our eternal hope rest on the authenticity of Christ’s Resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:17), we need to sort through some of the “many infallible proofs” (Acts 1:3) Scripture catalogs. As the annual time of our celebration of our Lord’s Resurrection draws near, presented here is a defense and proposed timeline of some of the most important events in history./
 
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Jesus' Testimony About His ResurrectionFirst, we have Jesus' own personal testimony is that He was raised from the dead.
I am the Living One; I was dead, and behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades (Revelation 1:18).
Luke records Jesus' saying.
Look at my hands and my feet. It is I myself! Touch me and see; a ghost does not have flesh and bones, as you see I have (Luke 24:39).
The Various Appearances Of JesusMany different people saw Jesus after the resurrection. The appearances were as follows.Mary MagdaleneThe first appearance of Jesus was to Mary Magdalene.
Now when she had said this, she turned around and saw Jesus standing there, and did not know that it was Jesus. Jesus said to her, 'Woman, why are you weeping? Whom are you seeking?' She, supposing him to be the gardener, said to him, 'Sir, if you have carried him away, tell me where you have laid him, and I will take him away.' Jesus said to her, 'Mary!' She turned and said to him, 'Rabboni!' (which is to say, Teacher) (John 20:14-16).
This appearance was totally unexpected.Mary The Mother Of James, Salome, And JoannaJesus also appeared to these three women. This happened after the appearance to Mary Magdalene. After an angel told them Jesus had risen, they were on their way to tell Jesus' disciples when they met the risen Christ
And behold, Jesus met them and greeted them. And they came up and took hold of his feet and worshiped him (Matthew 28:9).
Again, we have another unexpected appearance. As was true with Mary Magdalene, these women touched the body of Jesus.PeterPeter is the first person mentioned in Paul's list of witnesses, and is the first of the apostles to see the risen Christ. This was a private appearance to reassure him, since he had just denied his Lord. The gospels are completely silent as to the details of this meeting. Luke merely wrote:
The Lord is risen indeed, and has appeared to Simon! (Luke 24:34).
Two Disciples On The Emmaus RoadLater on Easter Sunday, Jesus appeared to two disciples on the road to Emmaus.
And behold, two of them were going that very day to a village named Emmaus, which was about seven miles from Jerusalem. And they were conversing with each other about all these things which had taken place. And it came about that while they were conversing and discussing, Jesus himself approached, and began traveling with them. But their eyes were prevented from recognizing him (Luke 24:13-16).
As was true with the women, these two disciples were not expecting Jesus to rise. In fact, they were leaving Jerusalem because they had lost hope in Him.The Disciples - Thomas AbsentThis is the last of the five appearances of Jesus on Easter Sunday. It took place in the evening, probably in the upper room in which Jesus had instituted the Lord's Supper. It is recorded in both Luke's and John's gospel, giving us two independent accounts as to what happened. John wrote:
When therefore it was evening, on that day, the first day of the week, and when the doors were shut where the disciples were, for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood in their midst, and said to them, "Peace be with you." And when he had said this, he showed them both his hands and his side. The disciples therefore rejoiced when they saw the Lord. . . But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came (John 20:19,20,24).
All Of The DisciplesEight days later He appeared again - this time with Thomas present.
And after eight days his disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, 'Peace to you!' Then he said to Thomas, 'Reach your finger here, and look at my hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into my side. Do not be unbelieving but believing.' And Thomas answered and said to him, 'My Lord and My God!' (John 20:26-28).
Seven Disciples At The Sea Of GalileeAnother appearance was to seven disciples on the Sea of Galilee.
After these things Jesus manifested himself again to the disciples at the Sea of Tiberias, and he manifested himself in this way. There were together Simon Peter, and Thomas called Didymus, and Nathanael of Cana in Galilee, and the sons of Zebedee, and two other of his disciples (John 20:1,2).
A Mountain In GalileeThere is also the account of Jesus appearing before His eleven disciples in Galilee.
But the eleven disciples proceeded to Galilee, to the mountain which Jesus had designated. And when they saw him, they worshiped him; but some were doubtful (Matthew 28:16,17).
Over Five Hundred PeopleOn another occasion, Jesus appeared to over five hundred people at one time.
After that he was seen by over five hundred people at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep (1 Corinthians 15:6).
JamesScripture also says that Jesus appeared to His half-brother James.
Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles (1 Corinthians 15:7).
The details of this appearance are not recorded.SaulAfter Jesus' ascension He appeared again - this time to Saul of Tarsus.
And as he [Saul] traveled he came near Damascus, and suddenly a light shone around him from heaven. Then he fell to the ground, and heard a voice saying to him, 'Saul, Saul, why are your persecuting me?' And he said, 'Who are you, Lord?' And the Lord said, 'I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting' (Acts 9:3-5).
These are the appearances of Jesus that the New Testament records. They caused His disciples to believe that He had risen from the dead. Luke says that Jesus showed Himself alive with many convincing proofs.
To these he also presented himself alive after his suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God (Acts 1:3)
SummaryThe Bible says that Jesus made a number of appearances after His death. They were to a number of different people over a forty-day period. The Bible specifically says that on Easter Sunday Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene, the women that came to Jesus tomb (Mary the Mother of James, Salome, and Joanna), Peter, and two disciples on the Emmaus road. He also appeared to the remainder of the Twelve Disciples with Thomas absent. Later he appeared to them with Thomas present. There was also an appearance to seven disciples on the Sea of Galilee. On another occasion he appeared to over five hundred people at the same time. There is also an appearance to James. Finally Jesus appeared to Saul of Tarsus - the man who became the Apostle Paul. These appearances convinced His disciples, beyond any doubt, that He had risen from the dead.


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