God's Eternity?

[Talishi]

What they may sanction you for is PROMOTION of false doctrine,concerning salvation.

Then they're going to find it difficult, whoever they are, I basically just post scripture or positions that are entirely backed by scripture.

 

[Talishi]

God is able to see into one day, one thousand years...which means HE knows the end from the beginning.

In that event, why did he basically do creation twice? Why not create Noah and his wife rather than Adam and his wife, if he was going to wipe out everyone except Noah's line anyway?

 

[disciplemike]

BELIEVER: Our eternal God is also a personal God. He has conscious preferences and behaves intelligently to bring about what he prefers. God thinks, calculates, plans, chooses and imagines.

TALISHI: Planning things and bringing them about requires that God exists in the present like we do, at a certain point of time that advances. There is a past, a present, and a future to a God who chooses and imagines. A being who experiences time divided in this way, from inside rather than outside, is not eternal. Such a deity takes life one day at a time, like we do, rather than takes in the entire panoply of history in a single glance.

"for what it's worth" department.

God prophesied that King Cyrus would free His people from the Babylonian captivity. He called him by name over a century before King Cyrus was even born. (or even before His people were in captivity).

 

[Magenta]

In that event, why did he basically do creation twice? Why not create Noah and his wife rather than Adam and his wife, if he was going to wipe out everyone except Noah's line anyway?

Then we would have lost the lesson in seeing what happens when man turns completely from the will of God to choosing the preference of his own way. Are you incapable of seeing the value of learning and growing through your own personal experiences, added to the accumulated wisdom of others? Do you reject wholesale the notion of man's consciousness needing to evolve? Would you rather man were made an unthinking unfeeling automaton, given no choice in how to conduct himself with others?

 

[FreeNChrist]

In that event, why did he basically do creation twice? Why not create Noah and his wife rather than Adam and his wife, if he was going to wipe out everyone except Noah's line anyway?

Fossil fuels?

 

[mpaper345]

BELIEVER: Our eternal God is also a personal God. He has conscious preferences and behaves intelligently to bring about what he prefers. God thinks, calculates, plans, chooses and imagines.

TALISHI: Planning things and bringing them about requires that God exists in the present like we do, at a certain point of time that advances. There is a past, a present, and a future to a God who chooses and imagines. A being who experiences time divided in this way, from inside rather than outside, is not eternal. Such a deity takes life one day at a time, like we do, rather than takes in the entire panoply of history in a single glance.

Before God created anything there would not be time,for time only applies on the physical plane,as a marking for the history of mankind,and when certain things will happen according to God,which the Bible says that all the works were finished from the foundation of the world,for God calls things that have not happened yet,as though they already happened.Everything already was planned out before God laid down the foundation of the world.

The beast kingdom will happen,not because God is forcing it to happen,but God will allow all people that do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,and take the mark,which then they cannot repent of their sins,and be right with God,so Gid can end this sin business,then it will be over for people's rulership,and doing it their way,which God will not give up on the world,until they give up on Him,which will be a system that exalts people,the occult,evolution,nature worship,and witchcraft,honoring the God of forces,which the man of sin,or the New Age Christ,will be in to those things,which God is allowing Him to deceive the world that loves not God.

God still does not exist in time,for time has no effect on Him,and He is the same today,tomorrow,and yesterday,but works according to the time set on the physical plane in the course of the history of mankind,and when the saints are with Jesus time will be irrelevant,for there is no set plans going on then,that there has to be a time table.

Time is only a mark for the history of mankind,for things change causing God to interact,and interact for their welfare,but does not apply in the spiritual realm,for all goes the same forever.

 

[Talishi]

God prophesied that King Cyrus would free His people from the Babylonian captivity. He called him by name over a century before King Cyrus was even born. (or even before His people were in captivity).

And yet someone far more important, Jesus, was never called by name. Makes Bible scholars fairly certain that Cyrus' name was retrojected after the fact, much like we see in Daniel with the part about the statue of Zeus being set up in the temple, or even the Marcan "prophecy" of the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans.

 

[UnderGrace]

I personally hope they let you stay. At least for a while.

You are smart. I caught that right away.

You appear to be agnostic. But I don't know.

What they may sanction you for is PROMOTION of false doctrine,concerning salvation.

Well I believe that sound wisdom and understanding come from God and are displayed with love and these are surely lacking, what I read are rebuttals with no substance which are not based on intelligence, and then citing scripture attempting to show that it is flawed.

 

[Laish]

In that event, why did he basically do creation twice? Why not create Noah and his wife rather than Adam and his wife, if he was going to wipe out everyone except Noah's line anyway?

For more or less the same reason I had to let my daughters fall and skin their knees when they first started to walk . Yea as a dad it was painful to watch . From my kids point of view it was devastating they looked at me and had expressions on their faces that said why did you let this happen ? I was there in case the fall was more serious an they needed help .still the experience was needed for them so that they could grow or mature . I could go on and flesh out this concept ,but I think you get the idea.
Blessings
Bill

 

[FreeNChrist]

And yet someone far more important, Jesus, was never called by name. Makes Bible scholars fairly certain that Cyrus' name was retrojected after the fact, much like we see in Daniel with the part about the statue of Zeus being set up in the temple, or even the Marcan "prophecy" of the fall of Jerusalem to the Romans.

Google theology at its best.

 

[abcdef]

BELIEVER: Our eternal God is also a personal God. He has conscious preferences and behaves intelligently to bring about what he prefers. God thinks, calculates, plans, chooses and imagines.

TALISHI: Planning things and bringing them about requires that God exists in the present like we do, at a certain point of time that advances. There is a past, a present, and a future to a God who chooses and imagines. A being who experiences time divided in this way, from inside rather than outside, is not eternal. Such a deity takes life one day at a time, like we do, rather than takes in the entire panoply of history in a single glance.

To explain the relationship between God and time, In my opinion,

There are 2 ways,

1. Material World,

Men dream of being able to control time through various ways in the relationship with the speed of light and inter dimensional travel.

All of these areas are controlled by God,

so that He can be at the beginning, and at the end, at the same time, always present.

That is, He created light and the dimensions, He is beyond them, controlling them, outside of our limited understanding.


2. The Spirit

The Spirit realm is without material restrictions, gravity, form, etc..

I sometimes think that our entire universe is just a small speck to Him.

It is true that we are on just a grain of sand in an ocean of space.

Will we judge the Creator of the oceans from a grain of sand?

 

[Magenta]

Why do non believers try to limit God? Is there some rule written somewhere
that says God cannot transcend His creation while also entering into it at will?

 

[mpaper345]

If that is the case, then God would have seen, in advance, two things that he regretted doing.

Genesis 6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

1 Samuel 15:11 It repenteth me that I have set up Saul to be king: for he is turned back from following me, and hath not performed my commandments. And it grieved Samuel; and he cried unto the LORD all night.

That does seem to be true,for if God knew it would happened why would He repent of it,or try to cause it to not occur.He could of not appointed Saul,and not allowed the sons of God to interact with the women in the days of Noah,unless God did it for a lesson like in the case of Saul,for Israel wanted a king,but God said,I am your king,so God could of gave them Saul to teach them a lesson that it would not work out,and then God stepped in and put David on the throne.

That is what will happen in the future,that the world will start going away from God,to where people will increase,and God will decrease,and after the 6th trumpet,which is the worse war ever in the history of mankind,God said people will still not repent of their sins and turn to Him,so God gives them the man of sin to rule over them,which God will give them their way,but it will not work out,and God will put Jesus on the throne of David in Jerusalem,which He will rule over the world.

So it could be God allowing the people to have their way,for that is what they want,knowing it will end in disaster,but it still says it repented Him to do it,so it could be that it repented Him that he allowed them to have their way,but knew it would end in disaster.He gave people a choice,so if they exercise their choice to do wrong and it ends in disaster,maybe it is God saying it repents Me that I gave them their way.

It could be the choice thing,that since God gave people a choice,so maybe He does not know what they will actually do,but I tend to think that He does know what they will do,but it repents Him that He allows them to have their way,which ends in disaster.

 

[Stephen63]

I personally hope they let you stay. At least for a while.

You are smart. I caught that right away.

You appear to be agnostic. But I don't know.

What they may sanction you for is PROMOTION of false doctrine,concerning salvation.

If that's the case they'll be busy enuff with some others first, eh?

 

[Stephen63]

Google theology at its best.

If that's Google theology, then I'm glad she's here, for she would help expose the fact how many already use it. BTW, maaaany do.....

 

[Stephen63]

Why do non believers try to limit God? Is there some rule written somewhere
that says God cannot transcend His creation while also entering into it at will?

While that's a good question, I'd be more interested to know why CHRISTIANS limit God, by saying spiritual gifts ceased 'cause they're no longer needed, for example?

I don't expect sinners to know the truth, but christians will be held accountable for NOT knowing it.

 

[Talishi]

While that's a good question, I'd be more interested to know why CHRISTIANS limit God, by saying spiritual gifts ceased 'cause they're no longer needed, for example?

I don't expect sinners to know the truth, but christians will be held accountable for NOT knowing it.

So your gospel, your "good news" is that salvation comes from having sanctifying grace through faith in the crucified and risen Lord, plus the knowledge that spiritual gifts have not ceased. Correct?

 

[trofimus]

While that's a good question, I'd be more interested to know why CHRISTIANS limit God, by saying spiritual gifts ceased 'cause they're no longer needed, for example?

I don't expect sinners to know the truth, but christians will be held accountable for NOT knowing it.

To say something has ceased is not a limitation of God but only a notation of what happened.

Christians are sinners, too.

 

[Willie-T]

So your gospel, your "good news" is that salvation comes from having sanctifying grace through faith in the crucified and risen Lord, plus the knowledge that spiritual gifts have not ceased. Correct?

You seem to want to add almost anything anyone says to it.

The "good news" is a simple statement. There is a Kingdom, and Jesus is king of it.

No more, no less. The rest is up to us to ask about if we want to be included.

 

[Talishi]

That does seem to be true,for if God knew it would happened why would He repent of it,or try to cause it to not occur.He could of not appointed Saul,and not allowed the sons of God to interact with the women in the days of Noah,unless God did it for a lesson like in the case of Saul,for Israel wanted a king,but God said,I am your king,so God could of gave them Saul to teach them a lesson that it would not work out,and then God stepped in and put David on the throne.

That is a reasonable reply, but it raises the question of why God would say "it repenteth me" with respect to Saul's elevation to king, rather than some divine version of "see, I told you so!"