"replacement theology" - what is it?

[trofimus]

That was abrahamic covenant, Not Mosaic.. The term "Old COvenant" was in reference to mosaic..

Hm, OK. But still, the New Testament is the authority on what is yet to happen and what was fullfilled.

 

[garee]

.

Originally Posted by Bladerunner

Excuse me..... No tribe of Joseph????/

The gospel of Christ has nothing to do with the flesh of men.

 

[zone]

The word "Saint" is not unique to the church. There will be Gentile saints who will be on earth after the church has been gathered and who will go through the great tribulation who are not the church....

you have two species of saints.
a saint is a saint.
there's no such thing as a tribulation saint.
this is the fruit of stupid pre-trib doctrine

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Hm, OK. But still, the New Testament is the authority on what is yet to happen and what was fullfilled.

yep, and the NT shows God is not done yet with all prophesy.

The NT also does not "negate" the abrahamic covenant.

 

[zone]

Genesis 12
1 Now the Lord had said unto Abram, Get thee out of thy country, and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I will make of thee a great nation, and I will bless thee, and make thy name great; and thou shalt be a blessing:
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

Who is THEM?

How is that to ABRAM only?

oh wow.
God said He would bless THOSE WHO BLESSED ABRAM.
He would curse THOSE WHO CURSED ABRAM.

the promise to bless or curse is made TO ABRAM.

 

[zone]

God not only told Abram but he told many others and it is written in the Bible several times. Look it up.

please post which passages

 

[kaylagrl]

People support Israel because they read that God will curse them if they dont. Thing is he wasnt talking about a modern
Christ hating secular state at the time . Whatever the Israeli government does is fine by them as long as Jehovah leaves them alone.

Quote "Whatever the Israeli government does is fine by them as long as Jehovah leaves them alone."

That is an unfair characterization, no one has said that,in fact some here have pointed out that they do not believe that.

 

[zone]

God says He will once more lead Israel into the desert and speak tenderly to her there again. That is cause for celebration and cause for hopeful prayer, not for arguing and bickering.

fulfilled.

Isaiah 40
1"Comfort, O comfort My people," says your God. 2"Speak kindly to Jerusalem; And call out to her, that her warfare has ended, That her iniquity has been removed, That she has received of the LORD'S hand Double for all her sins." 3A voice is calling, "Clear the way for the LORD in the wilderness; Make smooth in the desert a highway for our God.…

John 1
19This is the testimony of John, when the Jews sent to him priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, “Who are you?” 20And he confessed and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Christ.” 21They asked him, “What then? Are you Elijah?” And he said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.” 22Then they said to him, “Who are you, so that we may give an answer to those who sent us? What do you say about yourself?” 23He said, “I am A VOICE OF ONE CRYING IN THE WILDERNESS, ‘MAKE STRAIGHT THE WAY OF THE LORD,’ as Isaiah the prophet said.”

 

[garee]

That was abrahamic covenant, Not Mosaic.. The term "Old COvenant" was in reference to mosaic..

It is all one and the same covenant to show God is not served by human hands in any way shape or form. . Moses is used as a metaphor to represent God the law giver(not seen ,the eternal faith principle). ., The name He renamed Abraham is used as metaphor to represent our Father in heaven, as the Father of many nations (denominations) Abraham a man like us was the father of one nation coming from the loins of the Amorites and his mother the Hittite. .

Ezekiel 16:3 And say, Thus saith the Lord GOD unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.

The Jews wanted it to be in respect to the fleshly seeds . And not the spiritual seed (one) Christ. Christ informed them of lively stones that do make up the spiritual house of Christ as His chaste virgin bride.
We are not to glory in the flesh of men

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

That was abrahamic covenant, Not Mosaic.. The term "Old COvenant" was in reference to mosaic..

No, we are talking about the Promises, which are completely

another matter to the Abrahamic Covenant

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, we are talking about the Promises, which are completely

another matter to the Abrahamic Covenant

No, I am talking about the promises MADE in the abrahamic covenant.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Quote "Whatever the Israeli government does is fine by them as long as Jehovah leaves them alone."

That is an unfair characterization, no one has said that,in fact some here have pointed out that they do not believe that.

if people would stop listening to men, and start listening to what people actually say.

I think we would have far less arguments. and heated debates.

 

[garee]

Revelation most certainly does identify those 144,000 as belonging to the twelve tribes of Israel. These are the first fruits to God out of Israel. Why do people introduce such things, attempting to make a distinction between Israel and being a Jew? The bottom line is that, they are twelve thousand from each of the twelve tribes, minus Dan, which is replaced by Manasseh.



The word "Saint" is not unique to the church. There will be Gentile saints who will be on earth after the church has been gathered and who will go through the great tribulation who are not the church.We are told right in the scripture who this group of 144,000 are, which are from the twelve tribes of Israel and therefore they cannot be the church. Furthermore, the church will have already been gathered and will not be on the earth during the time when these 144,000 are sealed.

The scripture identifies this group of 144,000 from the twelve tribes of Israel and you magically turn them into the church. How about that they are 144,000 saints from the twelve tribes of Israel just as the scripture states? The group described after the 144,000 wearing white robes which no man can count are Gentile saints and are also not the church.

If Christ set them apart as new creatures called saints how could they not be of the church, the bride of Christ?

What are those saints if they are not the church, Christ chaste virgin bride, another wife? ?

When He comes it will be on the last day the work will be two fold when this present creation will be rolled up like a scroll and go up in flames. The same day for the judgment of those who know not Christ all in the twinkling of the eye..

The law will not enter the new Promised Land. It will vanish when the old heaven and earth disappears out of sight. There will be no literal reign of Christ on this corrupted earth. We no longer know him after the flesh as if He was a man to begin with. .The demonstration is over the reformation has come. It will not be where some have their new incorruptible bodies and other have not.

The 144,000 is a number that no man can number... seeing it is a metaphor of the whole church as the eternal bride of Christ. The thousand on the end of the word; "one hundred and forty four thousand" represent a number that represents the chaste virgin bride of Christ. She is shown as the mother of us all in Revelation 12.

It’s not about the flesh of any man, never was never could be. Christ said of his own flesh it could never profit as a spiritual unseen work .The word thousand is always used to represent an unknowable in that way. .The one hundred and forty four, is tribes and twelve apostles both together. 12 x 12 = 144

There is no reason why would make it about one of the metaphors (tribes) and not both together... Tribes and apostles.

That is unless some want to glory in the flesh and not the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit of God for some reason or other.

And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.Rev 12:1

 

[trofimus]

To cursing the Israel:

New Testament clearly says Christians are not to curse anybody, but to bless all.

So it actually is not a current issue, whether cursing the Israel has some backwards effect or not. We must not curse anyone.

 

[Spurgeoncy]

No, I am talking about the promises MADE in the abrahamic covenant.

Which are?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Which are?

Which Are?

How about all of them.

1. In you *christ* shall all th enations of the world be blessed
2. I make you great nations (he did)
3. Many Kings will come from your descendents (they have)
4. I give you (also given to Issac and Jacob) this land of which you are a stranger, forever.

 

[trofimus]

4. I give you (also given to Issac and Jacob) this land of which you are a stranger, forever.

Can you prove forever means "without end" in this context?

Can you prove that "given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" means "given to all of their children"?

Can you prove that the unbelieving Israel are the children of Abraham?

Can you prove that today's Jews are genetically children of Abraham?

Can you explain why the Old Covenant was also "forever" and now is invalid? Why is this "forever" different from the land's "forever"?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Can you prove forever means "without end" in this context?

Forever means forever. Period. Lev 26 also proves this, If they obey, They will live in peace. If they disobey, they will be punished in levels of 7. Final punishment to be total dispersion to gentile world. and their city and sanctuary destroyed and left desolate But if they repent even after this, God will remember his promise.

Can you prove that "given to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob" means "given to all of their children"?

So he only gave it to those three? None of those three were alive when God took them out of egypt and brought them into the land. So it oculd not just be these three

Can you prove that the unbelieving Israel are the children of Abraham?

Saved? No, Children of Promise? Yes, As paul said, they are enemy concerning the gospel. but beloved concerning the election. Gods gifts and calling are irrevocable.

Can you prove that today's Jews are genetically children of Abraham?

I do not have to. Nor do I care. What I care about is that God will one day keep his promise if the people who ARE true national Israel repent.

Can you explain why the Old Covenant was also "forever" and now is invalid? Why is this "forever" different from the land's "forever"?

The old covenant, as far as being saved, has never been valid. It was a tool, to lead them to Christ when he came.

The law, as for Israel living in peace in her land, will be valid as to whatever Christ determines. (many things will most likely be changed,,

ps,, It was given to them, not you or I, SO why do you even care?

 

[dcontroversal]

you have two species of saints.
a saint is a saint.
there's no such thing as a tribulation saint.
this is the fruit of stupid pre-trib doctrine

And the money making, moronic left behind series..........

 

[dcontroversal]

oh wow.
God said He would bless THOSE WHO BLESSED ABRAM.
He would curse THOSE WHO CURSED ABRAM.

the promise to bless or curse is made TO ABRAM.

yeah...and the blessing or curse is upon the ONE'S BLESSING OR CURSING......

I will add....there is no need for a snide, mouthy response ZONE......such as OH WOW followed by sarcasm....?????????