To quote my Aussie friends....whatevz
The bible teaches a post tribulation pre WRATH ingathering....
When the sun goes dark, the stars fall from heaven and the moon does not give her light, half of the world's population has been killed, and almost all vestige of Christianity has been suppressed, almost wiped out and silenced....then look up...until then smoke in the wind bro!
That is how it will be is persecution towards the saints for the three and one half years that the beast rules,then the resurrection,then the wrath of God poured upon the world leading up to the battle of Armageddon where they attack Israel,and then Jesus comes back with His saints,and fights the world,and Jesus and the saints rule over the people that God spared at the battle of Armageddon.Satan is bound for that 1000 years which there is peace,and then loosed and deceives the people and they go against Jesus and the saints,and then God rains fire on them and devours them,for they still have punishment coming for they took the mark of the beast,but God postponed it until the 1000 years were expired so Jesus and the saints had people to rule over.You cannot rule for a 1000 years if there is nobody to rule over.
The Bible says there is only two resurrections,one before the millennial reign,and one after the millennial reign.
The beast makes war against the saints,and prevails against them.
The last king shall destroy the mighty and holy people physically.
They shall be given in to the little horn's hands for three and one half years.
When the world has accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people,then the things in Daniel are finished,which is then the resurrection.
The Bible says immediately after the persecution then the resurrection happens.
The saints cannot be united with Christ until the man of sin claims to be God,and the world knows about it.
God is love,and will not give up on the world until they give up on Him,and God will let them go as far as going against the saints during the last half of the 7 years period,for there will be no excuses,but shown on their part that they definitely wanted nothing to do with Christianity.
The world cannot repent of their sins after they take the mark of the beast,which is halfway through the 7 years period that God gives the world their way,and cause all who do not love Him to follow the beast kingdom,so the world can still repent of their sins for the first half of the 7 years period,and the saints are not going anywhere as long as repentance is still available to the world.
The beast blasphemes against God and His tabernacle,which if the saints are not on earth he would not have to do that,for he would not have to go against something that is not represented in his sight on earth,which he tells the world that Christianity is not true,and their God not true,and no prosperity there,for he does not regard any god,but honors the God of forces,the evolutionary process.
The Bible says the saints will go through the 7 years period,and then be resurrected,and the wrath of God poured upon the world,leading up to the battle of Armageddon where Jesus comes back with His saints,which Jesus will descend the same way He did ascend,which is on the Mount of Olives,and God said He will gather all nations together to fight Israel,then He will come back with His saints,and step down on the Mount of Olives,and fight the world as He did in the day of battle,and the plague will be their flesh will melt off their bones(Zechariah 14),and in Joel 3 that God will gather the nations,and thither call thy mighty ones to come down,oh LORD,who is the saints,and Revelation 19 where Jesus comes back with His saints and fights the world,and puts down the false prophet and the beast.
There is no pre-trib resurrection,for there is too much information that the saints will go through it,but of course many saints will not make it to the end of the tribulation for they will have been killed before that time,but they are with the LORD,which the saints under the altar say,how long Lord until you avenge us,and He said when the rest of the saints meet with us,and when all the saints are with Jesus then He will come back and put down the world.
If some say but God is love,He would not allow the saints to go through the tribulation,that does not make sense,for then God would not of allowed any saint to be persecuted for the entire history of the Church.
Who do people think the tribulation,and persecution is for,it is not for the world because they are together,they are not persecuting each other,and the wrath of God does not get poured out until the end of the 7 years period,which the Bible says that the beast has power to continue for the last three and one half years after he addresses the world,and they follow him,which means God is allowing him to rule with no interference from Him,for if the wrath was poured out then,how does the beast have power to rule for the three and one half years.
