"replacement theology" - what is it?

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can we please take rapture stuff to a rapture thread etc.
this one is about replacement theology/the Church is Israel
Sorry.....when I see foolish regurgitated 19th century teaching by a woman propagated as truth I have to respond......
 
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I wonder why Dan isn't mentioned.
any ideas?
Is not Dan compared to a serpent.....some say that Dan is tied to the emergence of the Beast (so called Anti-Christ) of Revelation....not saying I believe that.......
 
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ek or ex doesn't mean raptured away from....in Rev 3:10 it means He preserves them through it (trib/wrath); as they coming out of tribulation (or wrath....the idea is the same).
Exactly....the word keep means to protect, guard from loss or harm....NOT snatch away
 

zone

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Sorry.....when I see foolish regurgitated 19th century teaching by a woman propagated as truth I have to respond......
I hear ya. Margaret MacDonald the crazy gal.
her deal wasn't the worst of it, it's the gang who ran with her "vision"
 
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I hear ya. Margaret MacDonald the crazy gal.
her deal wasn't the worst of it, it's the gang who ran with her "vision"
I hear ya...going to be a lot of unprepared very surprised people....I think it will have a big impact on the apostasy....all of the ones who think they missed the boat with crap their proverbial pants....
 

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I hear ya...going to be a lot of unprepared very surprised people....I think it will have a big impact on the apostasy....all of the ones who think they missed the boat with crap their proverbial pants....
In regards to what you said above, if I was here and I witnessed these things begin to happen, I would not be unprepared, nor would it turn me away from Christ. The true believers faith is not based upon when the gathering of the church takes place, but our faith is in Christ. Therefore, if I were to see these events of wrath taking place, then I would realize that I was wrong and would begin to pray that God would give me strength to go through everything that I knew was coming. I certainly wouldn't abandon Christ because events didn't happen in the order that I expected them to.

On the other hand, those who are believing that God is going to put his church, his bride, through his wrath, are not truly believing or understanding what Christ fully did for those who believe in him. For Christ already took upon himself the wrath that we deserve and by expecting to go through God's wrath, you are not believing in his promise.

Yeah, Margaret MacDonald, that crazy gal, of which her teachings I have never even read and therefore has had no influence whatsoever on my understanding of end-time events. People always use Margaret, Darby and Scofield as an apologetic as to the pre-trib belief in order to discredit it.

 

Ahwatukee

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Noah was one example......God told him exactly what to do....Noah was here when it rained...not magically BEAMED up
Are you guys purposely being ignorant? Noah was preserved on the earth because he and his family were to repopulate the earth as soon as the flood was over. If Noah and his family were "BEAMED up" there would have been no one left on the earth to repopulate it. So your comparison is faulty.

The gathering of the church on the other hand, is in fulfillment of receiving a resurrected body like the Lord's, to become immortal and glorified and to be removed from his wrath. As Jesus said, "in the resurrection they are neither married nor are given in marriage, but become like the angels of heaven." Unlike Noah, the church does not have to remain on the earth to repopulate it.
 

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Is not Dan compared to a serpent.....some say that Dan is tied to the emergence of the Beast (so called Anti-Christ) of Revelation....not saying I believe that.......
hmmm maybe a thread on it?
interesting
 
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Are you guys purposely being ignorant? Noah was preserved on the earth because he and his family were to repopulate the earth as soon as the flood was over. If Noah and his family were "BEAMED up" there would have been no one left on the earth to repopulate it. So your comparison is faulty.

The gathering of the church on the other hand, is in fulfillment of receiving a resurrected body like the Lord's, to become immortal and glorified and to be removed from his wrath. As Jesus said, "in the resurrection they are neither married nor are given in marriage, but become like the angels of heaven." Unlike Noah, the church does not have to remain on the earth to repopulate it.
Bro....no offence, but one who cannot even distinguish between two different words with two different definitions and applications as applied to the end of the age---->They will not make my radar concerning the bible......someone who will deny the INSPIRED words used and the definitions of said words does not know what they are talking about....sorry.....no offence meant., I am sure you are a nice sincere guy and for sure am not judging your salvation, but your ability to read a dictionary and or understand the definition of tribulation and wrath is, in the very minimum, suspect..........
 

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....On the other hand, those who are believing that God is going to put his church, his bride, through his wrath....
I don't know anybody who believes that.
the whole point of the Christian faith is that we are being saved from God' wrath.
 

zone

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...Yeah, Margaret MacDonald, that crazy gal, of which her teachings I have never even read and therefore has had no influence whatsoever on my understanding of end-time events. People always use Margaret, Darby and Scofield as an apologetic as to the pre-trib belief in order to discredit it.
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pretrib didn't exist before them.
it's based on jew hatred - they had to find a way to keep the jews out of the church...making them "an earthly" people fit the bill (for anyone foolish enough to believe it)
 
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I think a mistake was made when the teaching became popular that the church is an entity entirely separate from Israel, the bible does not give us that picture at all. The church is the obedient of Israel to which was added the obedient of the gentiles, that is the way it started and the way it still is. There is a difference today between the ratio of Jews to gentiles, in the beginning the Jews outnumbered the gentiles but today the gentiles far outnumber the Jews. Even with that there are no doubt many more Jewish believers in Jesus Christ today then there was in the first century church. At the end of the age what is left of the nation of Israel will come into the fellowship of faith in Christ...they will come into the same body of Christ that is the church.
 
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I hear ya...going to be a lot of unprepared very surprised people....I think it will have a big impact on the apostasy....all of the ones who think they missed the boat with crap their proverbial pants....
2Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2Ti 2:17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.

This preaching of a pre-trib resurrection might overthrow the faith of some people when the resurrection does not happen,and they might end up following the world when they say Peace and safety.
 

zone

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I think a mistake was made when the teaching became popular that the church is an entity entirely separate from Israel, the bible does not give us that picture at all. The church is the obedient of Israel to which was added the obedient of the gentiles, that is the way it started and the way it still is. There is a difference today between the ratio of Jews to gentiles, in the beginning the Jews outnumbered the gentiles but today the gentiles far outnumber the Jews. Even with that there are no doubt many more Jewish believers in Jesus Christ today then there was in the first century church. At the end of the age what is left of the nation of Israel will come into the fellowship of faith in Christ...they will come into the same body of Christ that is the church.
 
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or just simply that God can and does deliver from/out of His wrath by many means.
we have 70AD as one example - Jesus told them to flee Jerusalem when they saw God's instrument of wrath (The Roman army) surrounding her. and the ones who believed Him did flee.

what other instances do we have where God preserves His people from His own wrath?

Me!

Been listening to Chuck Missler today. That boy is deeeeeeeep.
 

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12 tribes, 12 apostles .Six of one a half a dozen of another? Together they make one bride.Why the division between tribes and apostles as if there were two wife's, two gospels?

Why do you do that????...Its like you are mocking God...JAre you deliberately trying to secure a front row seat in Hell?????Just don't understand.....oh well time to get off this thread
 

tanakh

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or just simply that God can and does deliver from/out of His wrath by many means.
we have 70AD as one example - Jesus told them to flee Jerusalem when they saw God's instrument of wrath (The Roman army) surrounding her. and the ones who believed Him did flee.

what other instances do we have where God preserves His people from His own wrath?
God protected the Israelites from the Plagues of Egypt. He saved Lot from the destruction of Sodom Rahab was spared in Jerecho, Noah and his family were saved in the flood and if you want an example of Gods wrath you cant find a better one than the whole world being drowned. Its interesting to note that none of these people left the earth when Gods wrath was
unleashed on wicked people but they still didn't suffer from it.