GIANTS

[pronia]

How could any say? We are not told how angels were created, but Scripture plainly says we are different. Jesus also says we will be like the angels following the resurrection, so we are not like them now, is certainly one legitimate way to interpret that.

As to our souls, man became a living soul when God breathed the breath of life into the physical earthly elements that comprised him, as per God's fashioning. You seem to be of the opinion that angels have a physicality as we do, but I do not see where that is articulated in Scripture. It seems more that angels are able to take human form at the command of God to fulfill some specific purpose for Him among specific human beings at a specific time.

Satan was not allowed to touch Job, and Job is considered the oldest Biblical text, which also makes plain that fallen angels cannot do anything without God's permission. I do not see it as a personal failing of mine to believe that fallen angels would need God's permission to rape women, nor do I see it as me believing I have a better understanding than others of the morality of God, as I was recently accused by another member. God is pretty clear on His standard of morality, and if others cannot see it, it it is their failing, not mine.
Once a person is born again and enters into a process of sanctification, such gross horrors as rape and murder etc, should be left behind. But that does illuminate the point that our souls can be redeemed and reconciled back to God through the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ, despite our sins and trespasses, while the fallen angels are doomed to the lake of fire. There is a decided difference

Hi, you will find, through careful study from the Hebrew translation that 'LORD God' is not the same as 'Lord GOD'. This difference makes a world of difference in how we worship our real Father. I will share more if interested. That is if you do not know this already as you seem on the right path. Brotherly love-john there is so much more to learn
Nor can I equate such a thought as angels raping women with how fallen human beings treat each other. Even if angels raping humans was allowed, there is the problem of progeny being each after their own kind. So we are back to angels and humans being of different kinds, and not being able to procreate that way.

 

[Magenta]

Hi, you will find, through careful study from the Hebrew translation that 'LORD God' is not the same as 'Lord GOD'. This difference makes a world of difference in how we worship our real Father. I will share more if interested. That is if you do not know this already as you seem on the right path. Brotherly love-john there is so much more to learn

Hello John, thank you, I would be interested to hear what you have to say on this I do understand that it is believed (at least by some) that Jesus was revealing Himself at times (in the older testaments) and referring to God in the first person, as the angel of the Lord, also known as a Theophany or Christophany, and that such appearances ceased after Jesus came in person... as per Genesis 16:7-12; 21:17-18; 22:11-18; Exodus 3:2; Judges 2:1-4; 5:23; 6:11-24; 13:3-22; 2 Samuel 24:16; Zechariah 1:12; 3:1; 12:8

 

[dcontroversal]

Goliath was considered a giant at six foot nine inches.
Robert Wadlow was eight foot eleven inches.
He was born on this day, in 1918.
Happy Birthday to him!

6' 9" not hardly.......

 

[dcontroversal]

6' 9" not hardly.......

Hebrew 6 cubits and 1 span [which totals about 9.75 feet or 3 meters];

 

[JIMBO43]

How could any say? We are not told how angels were created, but Scripture plainly says we are different.

Where does it say that..

Jesus also says we will be like the angels following the resurrection, so we are not like them now,.

Oh ok in what way are we not like them now ?.. is

certainly one legitimate way to interpret that.

certainlly one way of working it all out but doest mean its right..

As to our souls, man became a living soul when God breathed the breath of life into the physical earthly elements that comprised him, as per God's fashioning. You seem to be of the opinion that angels have a physicality as we do,

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Note never said i saw them as a physicaly the same..

Satan was not allowed to touch Job,.

Oh really so what do you call hurting his feelings by killing jobs family ? i suppose that never touched job ?..

and Job is considered the oldest Biblical text, which also

makes plain that fallen angels cannot do anything without God's permission. I do not see it as a personal failing of mine to believe that fallen angels would need God's permission to rape women, nor do I see it as me believing I have a better understanding than others of the morality of God, as I was recently accused by another member. God is pretty clear on His standard of morality, and if others cannot see it, it it is their failing, not mine.

This is a doctrin from hell,,,, sorry but no way does God do deals with satan that allows him to kill Kids..
The simple truth of Job is God knew Job would not stop loving God.. He said test job he didnt say kill his family..this is sought of Doctrin that a satanist would use as a tool to shed innocent Bllod for satan. which seeing as God hates the sheding of innocent bllod would be high on satans agenda dont you think...

Nor can I equate such a thought as angels raping women with how fallen human beings treat each other. Even if angels raping humans was allowed, there is the problem of progeny being each after their own kind. So we are back to angels and humans being of different kinds, and not being able to procreate that way.

Niether can i equate such a thought but then you keep saying its a physical thing i keep on saying its a possession where the spirit takes over the soul... what dont you get about that...

Once a person is born again and enters into a process of sanctification, such gross horrors as rape and murder etc, should be left behind. But that does illuminate the point that our souls can be redeemed and reconciled back to God through the propitiatory sacrifice of Jesus Christ, despite our sins and trespasses, while the fallen angels are doomed to the lake of fire. There is a decided difference

Once a person is Born again that doesnt stop satan tempting you to give up your faith... Or is that not permitted to touch Gods Children.... but he can temt them ?.

All this pointing at me buisness as if im the one in the wrong to prove your point is just petty have to say.. because from where im standing No 1 the spirit can give birth to the spirit...

2.... giants or no Giants the bible says satans offspring will bite the heel of women..now whether satan produced giants and ugly animals is one thing... but theres clear eveidence to suggest he has offspring..

 

[JIMBO43]

The Bible says nothing about that. Where have you come across this talk you speak of?

You keep adding to the mix and frankly, it gets more and more incredulous.

I think my time on this thread is probably done.

One wants to argue with everyone for no reason and as if the disagreement was not already well documented, things like the above are thrown in.

I know it doesnt it was Just a thought, anything wrong with that..
Theres one movie where this happened and God destroyed the angel.

Question if that was true why hasnt he destroyed satan yet.... oh i know God does deals with him...

 

[willybob]

"Nephal" simply means to fall into abominable ways such as murder etc....Cain was the first to nephal, Tyndale's translation "tyrants" is far closer to the Hebrew meaning than giants, The Pope is a giant in the earth today suppressing billions...

 

[samuel23]

What about the bed that was 13 and a half feet long. I guess those giants were only about six feet tall and just liked to have plenty of space in their bed(he,he). Also the Israelis who saw themselves as grasshoppers compared to the six foot giants must have been around three feet tall(ha,ha). It must have been kind of like The Wizard of Oz, the entire army of Israel was composed of Munkins and when a normal six foot man presented himself they all fled before him in terror. Sure glad that Magenta has us all squared away so we can rest at night knowing that David did not even kill a giant and all those bible stories about it are false.

 

[willybob]

Yes they had a genetic line that produced larger people, and ? Goliath was 10 ft tall. So what, that is not what Gen 6 is speaking about, its speaking about the WICKED HEART OF MAN continuing in his sin...ALL,ALL,ALL, ALl, ALL of the blame was placed on mankind, none on the angels who by the way were already judged....Get real and dispense of the Hollywierd fairy tales...but that has nothing to do with tyrants and murderers today...We also have such giants in the earth today like Graham , McCarther, Olsteen etc. working for thy Vatican that are murdering 100s of millions of souls by preaching the supstitution penal gospel...

 

[samuel23]

Interesting note, the Aleppo Codex on which much of the Leningrad codes was corrected does have the giant at 9'9", so also were the later versions of the Septuagint when aligned with the Masoretic. If you make Goliath just some guy not much over 6 foot then you destroy the story because the context makes Goliath someone whose physical appearance terrified an entire army.

 

[samuel23]

Hi Magenta: No offense meant, I either had to laugh or cry so I chose to laugh. There is abundant evidence that Goliath was as most bibles say, 9'9''. Think please, 9'9" fits the context of the story, the army would hardly flee from a man six foot tall or even a six foot six man. I am not a tall man and I would not back down just because the other man was 6'6", now if the other guy was 10 foot tall and weighed 800 pounds then I would be out of there fast. Goliath terrified THE WHOLE ARMY, does not that fact make you think he had to be huge???

 

[willybob]

You know, in Tyndale's day he said the people were more fascinated by Robin Hood stories and Lepricons than the truth of scripture. People so love sensationalism.....Jesus, Peter, Jude all give a warning about the flood, and to not fall into the grievous vile sins of the flesh that will destroy your soul, because God was once again going to judge mankind..not anything to do with angelic beings and copulative Greek myths.....The angels were already judged 1500 years before, as Paul said ; one must keep a sober mind, the Niphilim myth is that of spiritual drunkenness looking to release dopamine....

 

[willybob]

Once again, have some coffee and let the mind sober up....

And the WICKEDNESS OF MAN was great in the earth, and all of his thoughts were continually evil, and God said; for man has CORRUPTED HIMSELF upon the face of the earth, and it REPENTED God that He made man....No mention about angelic beings...sober up and let this truth sink in....................

 

[wsblind]

You know, in Tyndale's day he said the people were more fascinated by Robin Hood stories and Lepricons than the truth of scripture. People so love sensationalism.....Jesus, Peter, Jude all give a warning about the flood, and to not fall into the grievous vile sins of the flesh that will destroy your soul, because God was once again going to judge mankind..not anything to do with angelic beings and copulative Greek myths.....The angels were already judged 1500 years before, as Paul said ; one must keep a sober mind, the Niphilim myth is that of spiritual drunkenness looking to release dopamine....

Jude~~

6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they(angels) in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Just like Sodom and Gomorrah? Strange flesh?

Gen 19
1[FONT=&quot] Now the [/FONT]a[FONT=&quot]two angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When [/FONT]b[FONT=&quot]Lot saw [/FONT]them[FONT=&quot], he rose to meet them and [/FONT]1[FONT=&quot]bowed down [/FONT]with his[FONT=&quot] face to[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT][FONT=&quot] the ground.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot] 4 Before they lay down, athe men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people 1from every quarter;[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 5 and they called to Lot and said to him, “aWhere are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may 1have relations with them.”[/FONT]

 

[willybob]

Jude~~

6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they(angels) in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Just like Sodom and Gomorrah? Strange flesh?

Gen 19
1 Now the atwo angels came to Sodom in the evening as Lot was sitting in the gate of Sodom. When bLot saw them, he rose to meet them and 1bowed down with his face to the ground.

4 Before they lay down, athe men of the city, the men of Sodom, surrounded the house, both young and old, all the people 1from every quarter; 5 and they called to Lot and said to him, “aWhere are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may 1have relations with them.”

That was corrupted mans implications not God.....They assumed they could have sex with them, that only came from the minds of corrupted men...Also keep in mind, it was Lot through his ignorance that he sinfully suggested taking his daughters, that was not from the mind of God, but from the mind of Lot...

 

[wsblind]

That was corrupted mans implications not God.....They assumed they could have sex with them, that only came from the minds of corrupted men...Also keep in mind, it was Lot through his ignorance that he sinfully suggested taking his daughters, that was not from the mind of God, but from the mind of Lot...

Jude~~6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they(angels) in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

 

[pronia]

You know, in Tyndale's day he said the people were more fascinated by Robin Hood stories and Lepricons than the truth of scripture. People so love sensationalism.....Jesus, Peter, Jude all give a warning about the flood, and to not fall into the grievous vile sins of the flesh that will destroy your soul, because God was once again going to judge mankind..not anything to do with angelic beings and copulative Greek myths.....The angels were already judged 1500 years before, as Paul said ; one must keep a sober mind, the Niphilim myth is that of spiritual drunkenness looking to release dopamine....

Oh, such great teaching! He abases himself even unto death, though he is clothed in eternal life. Having divested himself of these perishable rags, he clothed himself in incorruptibility, which no one could possibly take from him. Having entered into the empty territory of fears, he passed before those who were stripped by forgetfulness, being both knowledge and perfection, proclaiming the things that are in the heart of the Father, so that he became the wisdom of those who have received instruction. But those who are to be taught, the living who are inscribed in the book of the living, learn for themselves, receiving instructions from the Father, turning to him again.
Since the perfection of the All is in the Father, it is necessary for the All to ascend to him. Therefore, if one has knowledge, he gets what belongs to him and draws it to himself. For he who is ignorant, is deficient, and it is a great deficiency, since he lacks that which will make him perfect. Since the perfection of the All is in the Father, it is necessary for the All to ascend to him and for each one to get the things which are his. He registered them first, having prepared them to be given to those who came from him.
Those whose name he knew first were called last, so that the one who has knowledge is he whose name the Father has pronounced. For he whose name has not been spoken is ignorant. Indeed, how shall one hear if his name has not been uttered? For he who remains ignorant until the end is a creature of forgetfulness and will perish with it. If this is not so, why have these wretches no name, why do they have no sound? Hence, if one has knowledge, he is from above. If he is called, he hears, he replies, and he turns toward him who called him and he ascends to him and he knows what he is called. Since he has knowledge, he does the will of him who called him. He desires to please him and he finds rest. He receives a certain name. He who thus is going to have knowledge knows whence he came and whither he is going. He knows it as a person who, having become intoxicated, has turned from his drunkenness and having come to himself, has restored what is his own.

 

[willybob]

Jude~~6And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they(angels) in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

In that quote Jude and Peter are reminding them of Gods judgement in that he too judged the angels that rebelled 1500 years before the flood.....It is quite the stretch of the imagination to link that to Niphilim angelic beings...The gest of Gen 6 is being misunderstood. Peter tells us this in 2 Peter 3 that God ONCE before judged the world because of SIN, and He will do it again, but He is longsuffering and desires that all men come to repentance and not suffer the same judgement as did those before of ancient times when the world stood in and out of the water..............Me thinks you been watching too much Hollywierd maybe...

 

[willybob]

The angels rebelled with Satan 1500 years before Noah started building the Ark…Since when does God call rebels from long ago “sons of God”? He even CONTRASTED the two groups in Job 1-6 so there is no confusion….

 

[sevenseas]

The angels rebelled with Satan 1500 years before Noah started building the Ark…Since when does God call rebels from long ago “sons of God”? He even CONTRASTED the two groups in Job 1-6 so there is no confusion….

this is fiction

since when has God revealed the timeline of the ages to anyone?

it is my belief that people struggling with the concept of God doing or allowing things they do not approve of, are actually having a crisis of faith when other people discuss what they cannot conceive of

if you cannot grasp the eons of God's reality, I shudder to think of what you will do with eternity