Is it always like this here?

[gb9]

It's hard to get it right and to then actually walk in the whole counsel of God, in the Spirit. Many missteps and stumbles as we learn. We start to juggle three balls pretty well, but at some point we can drop two of them and still think we're juggling all three of them because we're gazing so intently only at the one we are currently focused on. Not defending them, just noting that it's difficult because there is something in us that tugs and tries to pull us back toward our outside.

the key is whole council of God. people take the Bible and use it to make theology, instead of using is AS theology. this, is my opinion, is one of the main causes of all the arguing.

I come from a position of having read the Bible straight through 17-18 times, so sometimes I do get irritated when someone has a 15 verse theology view, and ignore other verses when pointed out.

 

[dcontroversal]

the key is whole council of God. people take the Bible and use it to make theology, instead of using is AS theology. this, is my opinion, is one of the main causes of all the arguing.

I come from a position of having read the Bible straight through 17-18 times, so sometimes I do get irritated when someone has a 15 verse theology view, and ignore other verses when pointed out.

I agree with line upon line and precept upon precept, but....It is not unbiblical to make a stand on one verse of truth.....after all...every word is inspired and profitable...for example....

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

One verse....I do not need Genesis chapter 1 and 2 to know and believe and stand on the biblical fact that GOD created the heavens and the earth in the beginning........

 

[Sirk]

I never idolized my dad.

I disowned my earthly one and spoke to God most of my childhood.

Sirk, we have to listen to God and how He sees us and not our own doubts and insecurities. Having a small trusted group of friends isn't a bad thing, but will keep you in prayer. I have had days when I would prefer to hide at home then face the world also. Through Christ, we can do anything.

Thank you. Very sweet of you to say.

 

[gb9]

my point is- I just finished the book of Deuteronomy, and if one just took that book alone, they would think " wow, it is very clear that if Israel brakes these laws, they are doomed ". but, if you keep reading, into Judges and beyond, you will see they did break them, over and over, and God rescued and delivered them over and over.

that's all I am saying-keep reading!

 

[pottersclay]

Bible discussion forum- saying that we are saved by grace, then launching into how works maintain salvation, then getting angry when questioned about it.

We are saved by grace, God's goodness. It has nothing to do with our actions or anything.
Because of this gift and our gratitude toward him that saved we tell others of the truth for the love of God can never be contained. By this work with the spirit of God working within us we are given a portion of the gift of the spirit. By exercising that gift weather it be teaching, preaching, evangelism, etc that gift begins to mature taking hold of our very heart and mind. We then become a vessel for the father's use. Christ then places us in the body according to our calling (what we shall be).
If we keep the gift to ourselves and do not share it but bury it in the ground as the scriptures say then at the masters return we are to give a account for the gift. When we have not any account but say I buried it to give back we are then saying that we did not believe in the power of the gospel to change lives and that the gift is rendered null and void.
To believe in Christ is faith with commitment not head knowledge or agreement in the scriptures Christ saves not the scriptures.
We are the called out ones. To be an example in his absence. If we have rendered God's word null and void the love of Christ is not in us and that which is given will be taken away.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only son. How then can you be a example if you are not giving?
The work of the father is this " that you believe on the one he has sent". This is my beloved son "hear him".
To please the father is to obey and glorify the son.

 

[Harmless]

God elects those that believe in Him. We are so saturated with sin we would never, of our own volition, choose to obey Him. Remember Adam and Eve. They had only one choice and still disobeyed. That doesn't mean that there isn't anyone that has some semblance of morality or seeking to satisfy themselves follow a "religion" that appears to do good and benevolent things. The only problem is that if you are one of God's elect, He through His mercy opens your Spiritual eyes to see the truth of His Word. Not some religion, or the writings of man. If you are not one of His electy, then no arguing, or name calling, or yelling, or bullying could ever convince you of the truth. Only God can do that. But remember, God can elect someone to be His, early in life, or at the end of their life. We cannot judge if someone is one of God's elect. Just because they follow do it yourself gospels or wrong doctrines now, doesn't mean God won't save them later. Therefore tread lightly or you might be mistreating one of His.

 

[Sirk]

There is so much more behind what a person believes in that regard that just some doctrine. It has to do with family heritage, the locale they were raised in, where people feel they fit in and where they don't and sometimes people have no concept of what a functional family is.

It is really quite arrogant of a person to think they are gonna come to an internet website and change all that with a few well crafted sentences or walls of bible verses. The best way to reach people is to first understand them. There are a lot of self proclaimed doctrinal stalwarts around here that can't see the forest for the trees.

 

[dcontroversal]

Haha! The only problem is the people who's expense it's at don't find it witty! Lol

Oh well.......we are all the butt end of the joke once in a while.....and at the end of the day....not being easily offended = spiritual maturity

 

[dcontroversal]

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I get fat just looking at your posts......and I am not fat

 

[dcontroversal]

Shhh, be vewy vewy kwiet, I'm huntin' phawisees.

I got your 6 bro HAHAH

 

[NayborBear]

There sure are a lot of teenagers here

The problem was really highlighted the other day when a newbie female asked for men to PM her so she could discuss her virginity with them. A man chimed in first saying it was not a good idea to ask for PMs from men. A woman then said the same thing and was criticized by another man for her response. I defended the woman's response and then the two of us women were under attack for pages from two men who continually misrepresented what was said and constantly found fault with what we were saying while complaining about fault finding. One guy wanted me to admit I was wrong when I was not and then refused to admit he was wrong when he was. Then other people weighed in and blamed the women for the thread being derailed, one person even saying that if you have a problem with something someone says, to PM them. Do you think I received a PM from that person? There they were publicly castigating me saying I should have PMed and they did not even follow their own advice.

Some of the people posting here, are on government salaries! Can you tell who they are?

Sometimes, these "employeee's" (on our dime, mind ya), will jump into a thread, striving to "create" a discussion, with malicious aforethought into duping unwary posters into an argument. or arguments, steering them towards a "certain" political, and/or religious ideology. Can you tell who they are?

Some posters in here are in dire needs of genuine help. Can you tell who they are?

Some posters in here, live in rural communities, where there aren't very many, if any Christian churches, and are genuinely seeking answers to questions they have.

Reckon, what I'm trying to say is, in this thing called internet? Things, and people in here, are not always as they might "appear" to be.

To young people, and young believers, as well as older people and older believers? BEWARE!

 

[VCO]

In the BDF i mean. People calling each other liars and heretics? Where people seem to be more concerned with everybody else's salvation? As if they're "on a mission from God" to put someone in their place. Is that what the Christian walk means to people? An outward circumstance in relation to ourselves? Seems like so much of the world even acts that way. They just use a different language.

Now that surprises me, because I consider this site to be fairly tame, compared to some other Bible Discussion sites that I have been on. For example: I have seen a LOT MORE NAME CALLING on:
Bible Debate Forum on the Bible-Discussion site,
way more than I ever run into here. But they allow anyone who claims to be Christian to join, including the Psuedo-Christian Cults, so sparks can fly pretty good there, especially when discussing the DEITY OF JESUS CHRIST. In all fairness they do have an occasional good, friendly discussion on some subjects there, like this one:

Bibles, Guns, & the Second Amendment

Even considering all the name calling on Bible-Discussion.com, there are sites that are far, far worse than here or there, like the so-called Christian Forum on TOPIX. I will not even post a link to that site as an example, because it is that bad. They allow literally anyone to post there, and have almost no rules. That means the Atheists, Satanists, Occults, and anyone else that loves to make fun of the Christians, can jump in and fling all the mud and filth they want at Christians. IT GETS TOTALLY VULGAR AND OBSCENE.

I even tried a super tame site, which was limited to Evangelical Born Again Christians, and I was bored to tears in just a few months. NO heated debates, no difference of opinions, no ongoing discussions, and as a result of agreeing with everyone, about all I could do there was REPLY: "Yes, that is what I believe too.", to every single Thread.

So I say, " Thank GOD for Bible Discussion Forum - Christian Chat Rooms & Forums ". It is our differences that force us to continually sharpen our sword.

 

[Silverwings]

Bible Discussion Forums: Here Be Dragons

Bible Discussion Forums: Hike up your big girl panties before entering

Bible Discussion Forums: Spend an hour reading the threads and you'll beg for a dental appointment for that root canal

Bible Discussion Forums: Our content violates the Geneva Convention

Bible Discussion Forums: "I'm gon ta pick a fight..."

There is something Jesus said that I want you to think about. Jesus said to those who followed Him: “By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

 

[RickyZ]

Some of the people posting here, are on government salaries! Can you tell who they are?

Sometimes, these "employeee's" (on our dime, mind ya), will jump into a thread, striving to "create" a discussion, with malicious aforethought into duping unwary posters into an argument. or arguments, steering them towards a "certain" political, and/or religious ideology. Can you tell who they are?

Please elaborate ...

 

[oldethennew]

well,

do THEY know 'who-they-are'???

 

[Yahweh_is_gracious]

There is something Jesus said that I want you to think about. Jesus said to those who followed Him: “By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”

Is there a particular reason you made the choice to single ME out and ask ME to think about whatever it is you're talking about? I'd like to figure out what you're talking about and your reasons for it before I decide whether or not to continue this line of discussion.

 

[VCO]

A popular MYTH, especially among Democrats, is this world and time we live in, can be a Utopia.

TIME FOR A REALITY CHECK:

Matthew 7:13-24 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.

Acts 20:29-31 (ESV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
[SUP]30 [/SUP] and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears.

Matthew 24:24-25 (ESV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] See, I have told you beforehand.

2 Timothy 4:3-5 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

2 Timothy 3:12-14 (GW)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Those who try to live a godly life because they believe in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But evil people and phony preachers will go from bad to worse as they mislead people and are themselves misled.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] However, continue in what you have learned and found to be true. You know who your teachers were.

2 Timothy 3:1-5 (GW)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You must understand this: In the last days there will be violent periods of time.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them. Stay away from such people.


I don't see a time of Utopia prophesied for these last days, do you?

 

[JaumeJ]

What does believing Jesus Christ have to do with Caesar or Herod...?

A popular MYTH, especially among Democrats, is this world and time we live in, can be a Utopia.

TIME FOR A REALITY CHECK:

Matthew 7:13-24 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] "For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] "Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] "You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they?
[SUP]17 [/SUP] "So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] "A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit.
[SUP]19 [/SUP] "Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] "So then, you will know them by their fruits.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] "Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] "Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?'
[SUP]23 [/SUP] "And then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.'
[SUP]24 [/SUP] "Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock.

Acts 20:29-31 (ESV)
[SUP]29 [/SUP] I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock;
[SUP]30 [/SUP] and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.
[SUP]31 [/SUP] Therefore be alert, remembering that for three years I did not cease night or day to admonish every one with tears.

Matthew 24:24-25 (ESV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] See, I have told you beforehand.

2 Timothy 4:3-5 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] But you, be sober in all things, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

2 Timothy 3:12-14 (GW)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Those who try to live a godly life because they believe in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] But evil people and phony preachers will go from bad to worse as they mislead people and are themselves misled.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] However, continue in what you have learned and found to be true. You know who your teachers were.

2 Timothy 3:1-5 (GW)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] You must understand this: In the last days there will be violent periods of time.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] People will be selfish and love money. They will brag, be arrogant, and use abusive language. They will curse their parents, show no gratitude, have no respect for what is holy,
[SUP]3 [/SUP] and lack normal affection for their families. They will refuse to make peace with anyone. They will be slanderous, lack self-control, be brutal, and have no love for what is good.
[SUP]4 [/SUP] They will be traitors. They will be reckless and conceited. They will love pleasure rather than God.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] They will appear to have a godly life, but they will not let its power change them. Stay away from such people.


I don't see a time of Utopia prophesied for these last days, do you?

 

[VCO]

What does believing Jesus Christ have to do with Caesar or Herod...?

Glad you asked:

Romans 13:1-8 (RSV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP] Therefore he who resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of him who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
[SUP]4 [/SUP] for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain; he is the servant of God to execute his wrath on the wrongdoer.
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] For the same reason you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Pay all of them their dues, taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, honor to whom honor is due. {We were taught in the Military, that you show proper respect for the Position, even if you do not respect the person in that Position. Yes, that means even in my living room, to this very day, even though I got out of the Military in Dec. 1972; I stand at attention for the playing of "Hail to the Chief". YES, that includes every time I heard it played for when President Obama was entering the room.}
[SUP]8 [/SUP] Owe no one anything, except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law.

1 Peter 2:13-17 (NKJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake, whether to the king as supreme,
[SUP]14 [/SUP] or to governors, as to those who are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and for the praise of those who do good.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] For this is the will of God, that by doing good you may put
to silence the ignorance of foolish men--
[SUP]16 [/SUP] as free, yet not using liberty as a cloak for vice, but as bondservants of God.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Honor all people. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honor the king.


YES, also includes the posted Speed Limit, and I strive daily to be obedient to it. Thankfully GOD gave me something that helps immensely with that; it is called CRUSE CONTROL, and I use it religiously.

 

[JesusRules1]

That is true that we are not to go against authorities,and governments,and those that make the laws of the land,because they cannot rule unless God allows it,and if God allows it and we go against them,then we are going against God,unless it is in conflict what God requires of us,then we listen to God,like if they make a law no more Christianity,we do not heed it.

Jud 1:8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.

Dominion.

κυριότης
kuriotēs
koo-ree-ot'-ace
From G2962; mastery, that is, (concretely and collectively) rulers: - dominion, government.

The government cannot rule unless God allows it,so we do not want to go against the government.

Even on Christian Chat if they could not kick you off,and they asked you to leave,get to rolling,for who ever is the one that owns the web site can do that,and you would have to obey,for it is their website.