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OK thiank you for you reply, I disagree,but to each their own. You know Yahshua stormed off the temple mount (bayith YHWH) and said;
Mattithyah 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!"
Psalms 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! We shall bless you from the House of יהוה. "
because t he pharisee type fobade the speaking of the name of YHWH, even to the death of the person speaking it;
Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (YHWH) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"
Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YHWH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YHWH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YHWH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."
Yeremyah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is YHWH? Those who deal with the Law did not know Me! The pastors also transgressed against Me, and the prophets prophesied in the name of Baal, and walked after things of worthlessness"
This is the Command that the "priests forbore", all supposedly because that "Rabbi" said, "but perhaps that is not so." Note "nor did the crimson-colored strap become white," this was the sign that their sins were forgiven. Also the Talmud RECORDS that after they killed Yahshua, from that time until the destruction Bayith YHWH (Solomon's Temple) the crimson colored strap NEVER turned white again.
Malakyah 2:2, "If you will not hear, if you will not take this to heart--to give glory to My Name, says YHWH of hosts: I will send a curse upon you! I will curse your blessings; yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take this to heart."
they took this guy to trial to find reason to murder him for speaking the name of YHWH, yet Yahshua spoke it freely.
Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 56a
THE WHOLE DAY [OF THE TRIAL] THE WITNESSES ARE EXAMINED BY MEANS OF A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE DIVINE NAME, THUS, ‘MAY JOSE SMITE JOSE.’1 WHEN THE TRIAL WAS FINISHED, THE ACCUSED WAS NOT EXECUTED ON THIS EVIDENCE, BUT ALL PERSONS WERE REMOVED [FROM COURT], AND THE CHIEF WITNESS WAS TOLD, ‘STATE LITERALLY WHAT YOU HEARD. THEREUPON HE DID SO, [USING THE DIVINE NAME]. THE JUDGES THEN AROSE AND RENT THEIR GARMENTS, WHICH RENT WAS NOT TO BE RESEWN. THE SECOND WITNESS STATED; I TOO HAVE HEARD THUS’ [BUT NOT UTTERING THE DIVINE NAME], AND THE THIRD SAYS: ‘I TOO HEARD THUS’. GEMARA. It has been taught: [The blasphemer is not punished] unless he ‘blesses’ the Name, by the Name2From the verse, How shall I curse [Ekkob]5 whom God hath not cursed;6 whilst the formal prohibition is contained in the verse, thou shalt not revile God.7 But perhaps it means ‘to pierce,’8 as it is written, [So Jehoiada the priest took a chest,] and bored [wa-yikkob]9 a hole in the lid of it,10 the formal injunction against this being the verses, Ye shall destroy the names of them [idols] out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the Lord your God?11 — The Name must be ‘blessed’ by the Name, which is absent here. But perhaps the text refers to the putting of two slips of parchment, each bearing the Divine Name, together, and piercing them both? — In that case one Name is pierced after the other.12 But perhaps it prohibits the engraving of the Divine Name on the Point of a knife and piercing therewith [the Divine Name written on a slip of parchment]? — In that case, the point of the knife pierces, not the Divine Name. But perhaps it refers to the pronunciation of the ineffable Name, as it is written, And Moses and Aaron took these men which are expressed [nikkebu]13 by their names;14 the formal prohibition being contained in the verse, Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God?15 — Firstly, the Name must be ‘blessed’ by the Name, which is absent here; and secondly, it is a prohibition in the form of a positive command, which is not deemed to be a prohibition at all.16 An alternative answer is this: The Writ saith, [And the Israelitish woman's son] blasphemed wa-yikkob17 [and cursed],18 proving that blasphemy [nokeb] denotes cursing. But perhaps it teaches that both offences must be perpetrated?19 You cannot think so, because it is written, Bring forth him that hath cursed,20 and not ‘him that hath blasphemed and cursed’, proving that one offence only is alluded to. Our Rabbis taught: [Any man that curseth his God, shall bear his sin.21 It would have been sufficient to say]...
Mattithyah 23:39, "For I say to you: From this moment you will not see Me, until you say: Blessed is He Who comes in the Name of YHWH!"
Psalms 118:26, "Blessed is He who is coming in the Name of יהוה! We shall bless you from the House of יהוה. "
because t he pharisee type fobade the speaking of the name of YHWH, even to the death of the person speaking it;
Talmud - Mas. Yoma 39b
His brethren [that year] the priests forbore to mention the Ineffable Name (YHWH) in pronouncing the [priestly] blessing.4 Our Rabbis taught: During the last forty years before the destruction of the Temple the lot [‘For the Lord’] did not come up in the right hand; nor did the crimson-coloured strap become white/"
Numbers 6:23-27, "Speak to Aaron and his sons, saying; This is how you are to bless the children of Israyl. Say to them; YHWH BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. YHWH MAKE HIS FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE MERCIFUL TO YOU. YHWH LIFT UP HIS COUNTENANCE UPON YOU, AND GIVE YOU PEACE. So they will put MY NAME on the children of Israyl, and I will bless them."
Yeremyah 2:8, "The priests did not ask; Where is YHWH? Those who deal with the Law did not know Me! The pastors also transgressed against Me, and the prophets prophesied in the name of Baal, and walked after things of worthlessness"
This is the Command that the "priests forbore", all supposedly because that "Rabbi" said, "but perhaps that is not so." Note "nor did the crimson-colored strap become white," this was the sign that their sins were forgiven. Also the Talmud RECORDS that after they killed Yahshua, from that time until the destruction Bayith YHWH (Solomon's Temple) the crimson colored strap NEVER turned white again.
Malakyah 2:2, "If you will not hear, if you will not take this to heart--to give glory to My Name, says YHWH of hosts: I will send a curse upon you! I will curse your blessings; yes, I have cursed them already, because you do not take this to heart."
they took this guy to trial to find reason to murder him for speaking the name of YHWH, yet Yahshua spoke it freely.
Talmud - Mas. Sanhedrin 56a
THE WHOLE DAY [OF THE TRIAL] THE WITNESSES ARE EXAMINED BY MEANS OF A SUBSTITUTE FOR THE DIVINE NAME, THUS, ‘MAY JOSE SMITE JOSE.’1 WHEN THE TRIAL WAS FINISHED, THE ACCUSED WAS NOT EXECUTED ON THIS EVIDENCE, BUT ALL PERSONS WERE REMOVED [FROM COURT], AND THE CHIEF WITNESS WAS TOLD, ‘STATE LITERALLY WHAT YOU HEARD. THEREUPON HE DID SO, [USING THE DIVINE NAME]. THE JUDGES THEN AROSE AND RENT THEIR GARMENTS, WHICH RENT WAS NOT TO BE RESEWN. THE SECOND WITNESS STATED; I TOO HAVE HEARD THUS’ [BUT NOT UTTERING THE DIVINE NAME], AND THE THIRD SAYS: ‘I TOO HEARD THUS’. GEMARA. It has been taught: [The blasphemer is not punished] unless he ‘blesses’ the Name, by the Name2From the verse, How shall I curse [Ekkob]5 whom God hath not cursed;6 whilst the formal prohibition is contained in the verse, thou shalt not revile God.7 But perhaps it means ‘to pierce,’8 as it is written, [So Jehoiada the priest took a chest,] and bored [wa-yikkob]9 a hole in the lid of it,10 the formal injunction against this being the verses, Ye shall destroy the names of them [idols] out of that place. Ye shall not do so unto the Lord your God?11 — The Name must be ‘blessed’ by the Name, which is absent here. But perhaps the text refers to the putting of two slips of parchment, each bearing the Divine Name, together, and piercing them both? — In that case one Name is pierced after the other.12 But perhaps it prohibits the engraving of the Divine Name on the Point of a knife and piercing therewith [the Divine Name written on a slip of parchment]? — In that case, the point of the knife pierces, not the Divine Name. But perhaps it refers to the pronunciation of the ineffable Name, as it is written, And Moses and Aaron took these men which are expressed [nikkebu]13 by their names;14 the formal prohibition being contained in the verse, Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God?15 — Firstly, the Name must be ‘blessed’ by the Name, which is absent here; and secondly, it is a prohibition in the form of a positive command, which is not deemed to be a prohibition at all.16 An alternative answer is this: The Writ saith, [And the Israelitish woman's son] blasphemed wa-yikkob17 [and cursed],18 proving that blasphemy [nokeb] denotes cursing. But perhaps it teaches that both offences must be perpetrated?19 You cannot think so, because it is written, Bring forth him that hath cursed,20 and not ‘him that hath blasphemed and cursed’, proving that one offence only is alluded to. Our Rabbis taught: [Any man that curseth his God, shall bear his sin.21 It would have been sufficient to say]...
and most translation admit they follow this pharisee law, jewish superstition as they call it''
American Standard Version - Preface
"The change first proposed in the Appendix --- that which substitutes "Jehovah" for "LORD" and "GOD" (printed in small capitals) --- is one which will be unwelcome by many, because of the frequency and familiarity of the terms displaced. But the American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament, as it fortunately does not in the numerous versions made by modern missionaries.
"The change first proposed in the Appendix --- that which substitutes "Jehovah" for "LORD" and "GOD" (printed in small capitals) --- is one which will be unwelcome by many, because of the frequency and familiarity of the terms displaced. But the American Revisers, after a careful consideration, were brought to the unanimous conviction that a Jewish superstition, which regarded the Divine Name as too sacred to be uttered, ought no longer to dominate in the English or any other version of the Old Testament, as it fortunately does not in the numerous versions made by modern missionaries.
The English Revised Version - Preface
"It has been thought advisable in regard to the word "JEHOVAH" to follow the usage of the Authorised Version, and not to insert it uniformly in place of "LORD" or "GOD," which when printed in small capitals represent the words substituted by Jewish custom for the ineffable Name according to the vowel points by which it is distinguished. It will be found, therefore, that in this respect the Authorised Version has been departed from only in a few passages, in which the introduction of a proper name seemed to be required."
"It has been thought advisable in regard to the word "JEHOVAH" to follow the usage of the Authorised Version, and not to insert it uniformly in place of "LORD" or "GOD," which when printed in small capitals represent the words substituted by Jewish custom for the ineffable Name according to the vowel points by which it is distinguished. It will be found, therefore, that in this respect the Authorised Version has been departed from only in a few passages, in which the introduction of a proper name seemed to be required."
I don't understand what you mean here. I'm interested in having an edifying discussion. If you feel you are being grilled, we can stop.
yes, I don't think there's a compelling reason to divide between God's law and Moses' law. Some of our good brothers and sisters here on this thread have put forward the idea, though.
yes, I don't think there's a compelling reason to divide between God's law and Moses' law. Some of our good brothers and sisters here on this thread have put forward the idea, though.
I'm not sure if YHWH in the ot refers to the Father, the Son, the Spirit, or all three.
here, there seems to be a difference between YHWH and the Son
Yahweh says to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand,
until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet.”
but here, Yahshua seems to be connecting himself with Yah
Jesus said to them, “Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM.
I don't understand "I was using the greek terms speaking of NT verses." Which NT verses do you mean?
here, there seems to be a difference between YHWH and the Son
Yahweh says to my Lord, “Sit at my right hand,
until I make your enemies your footstool for your feet.”
but here, Yahshua seems to be connecting himself with Yah
Jesus said to them, “Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM.
I don't understand "I was using the greek terms speaking of NT verses." Which NT verses do you mean?
yes, I believe the ASV is talking about using "Jehovah" in the OT. They don't use it in the NT.
some search results
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Jehovah&qs_version=ASV
some search results
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?quicksearch=Jehovah&qs_version=ASV
Very candid and respectable answer. It is not an light study, but one I have spent much time on.
and honestly to try to fully quantify YHWH, Yahshua or the holy Spirit of YHWH is impossible because He is beyond our comprehension, getting to know the real HIm is key IMO.
I can not go through it all here, and to be honest I have probably forgotten some if it, but I will give some thigns Yahshua said that make me want to use YHWH as to show for lack of a better way of explaining YHWH or the Father, and the last three passagesare the type I was talking about when I used the greek terms, particularly the last one "You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us" of course we are not theos.
John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
John 12:26, “26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”
Matthew 12:50, “For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the heavens is My brother and sister and mother.”
Mat 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! Will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."
Mat 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."
John/Yahanan 16:5-16, "5, “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and not one of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6, “But because I have said these words to you, grief has filled your heart. 7, “But I say the truth to you. It is better for you that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper shall not come to you at all, but if I go, I shall send Him to you. 8, “And having come, He shall convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment, 9, concerning sin because they do not believe in Me, 10, concerning righteousness because I go to My Father and you see Me no more, 11, concerning judgment because the ruler of this world is judged. 12, “I still have many words to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13, “But when He comes, the Spirit of the Truth, He shall guide you into all the truth. For He shall not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears He shall speak, and He shall announce to you what is to come. 14, “He shall esteem Me, for He shall take of what is Mine and announce it to you. 15, “All that the Father has is Mine. That is why I said that He takes from what is Mine and announces it to you. 16, “A little while, and you do not see Me, and again a little while, and you shall see Me.”
John/Yahanan 6:27, John 6:27, “Do not labor for the food that is perishing, but for the food that is remaining to everlasting life, which the Son of Aḏam shall give you, for the Father, Yah, has set His seal on Him.”
John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."
John/Yahanan 14:16-21, “And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever. the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you. I shall not leave you orphans – I am coming to you. Yet a little while, and the world no longer sees Me, but you shall see Me, because I live, and you shall live. In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and manifest Myself to him.”
John/Yahanan 17:16-25, “They are not of the world, as I am not of the world. 17, “Set them apart in Your truth; Your Word is truth. 18, “As You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world. 19, “And for them I set Myself apart, so that they too might be set apart in truth. 20, “And I do not pray for these alone, but also for those believing in Me through their word, 21, so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world might believe that You have sent Me. 22, “And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that they might be one as We are one, 23, “I in them, and You in Me, so that they might be perfected into one, so that the world knows that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. 24, “Father, I desire that those whom You have given Me, might be with Me where I am, so that they see My esteem which You have given Me, because You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25, “O righteous Father, indeed the world did not know You, but I knew You, and these knew that You sent Me.”
and honestly to try to fully quantify YHWH, Yahshua or the holy Spirit of YHWH is impossible because He is beyond our comprehension, getting to know the real HIm is key IMO.
I can not go through it all here, and to be honest I have probably forgotten some if it, but I will give some thigns Yahshua said that make me want to use YHWH as to show for lack of a better way of explaining YHWH or the Father, and the last three passagesare the type I was talking about when I used the greek terms, particularly the last one "You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us" of course we are not theos.
John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."
John 12:26, “26 Whoever serves me must follow me; and where I am, my servant also will be. My Father will honor the one who serves me.”
Matthew 12:50, “For whoever does the desire of My Father who is in the heavens is My brother and sister and mother.”
Mat 7:21-23, "Not everyone who says to Me; Teacher! Teacher! Will enter into the Kingdom of YHWH, but only he who does the will of My Father Who is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that day; Teacher! Teacher! Have we not prophesied in Your Name, and cast out demons in Your Name, and in Your Name performed many wonderful works? But then I will declare to them; I never knew you. Get away from Me, you who practice iniquity."
John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."
Mat 16:27, “For the Son of Man will come in the glory of His Father with His Malakim; and then He will reward every man according to his works.”
John/Yahanan 15:5-16, "I am the vine, you are the branches. He who abides in Me, and I in him, produces much fruit; but without Me, you can do nothing. If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away like a branch, and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned. If you abide in Me, and letting My words; abide in you, you will ask what you will, and it will be done for you. In this is My Father glorified: when you produce much fruit; and in this way you become My disciples. Just as the Father has loved Me, so have I loved you; continue in My love. If you keep My Commands, you will abide in My love; just as I have kept My Father's Commands, and abide in His love. These things I have spoken to you, that My joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be complete. This is My Command: Love one another as I have loved you. Greater love has no one than this: that one would lay down his life on behalf of his brothers. You are My brothers, if you do whatever I command you."
John/Yahanan 16:5-16, "5, “But now I go away to Him who sent Me, and not one of you asks Me, ‘Where are You going?’ 6, “But because I have said these words to you, grief has filled your heart. 7, “But I say the truth to you. It is better for you that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper shall not come to you at all, but if I go, I shall send Him to you. 8, “And having come, He shall convict the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment, 9, concerning sin because they do not believe in Me, 10, concerning righteousness because I go to My Father and you see Me no more, 11, concerning judgment because the ruler of this world is judged. 12, “I still have many words to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13, “But when He comes, the Spirit of the Truth, He shall guide you into all the truth. For He shall not speak from Himself, but whatever He hears He shall speak, and He shall announce to you what is to come. 14, “He shall esteem Me, for He shall take of what is Mine and announce it to you. 15, “All that the Father has is Mine. That is why I said that He takes from what is Mine and announces it to you. 16, “A little while, and you do not see Me, and again a little while, and you shall see Me.”
John/Yahanan 6:27, John 6:27, “Do not labor for the food that is perishing, but for the food that is remaining to everlasting life, which the Son of Aḏam shall give you, for the Father, Yah, has set His seal on Him.”
John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."
John/Yahanan 14:16-21, “And I shall ask the Father, and He shall give you another Helper, to stay with you forever. the Spirit of the Truth, whom the world is unable to receive, because it does not see Him or know Him. But you know Him, for He stays with you and shall be in you. I shall not leave you orphans – I am coming to you. Yet a little while, and the world no longer sees Me, but you shall see Me, because I live, and you shall live. In that day you shall know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you. He who possesses My commands and guards them, it is he who loves Me. And he who loves Me shall be loved by My Father, and I shall love him and manifest Myself to him.”
John/Yahanan 17:16-25, “They are not of the world, as I am not of the world. 17, “Set them apart in Your truth; Your Word is truth. 18, “As You sent Me into the world, I also sent them into the world. 19, “And for them I set Myself apart, so that they too might be set apart in truth. 20, “And I do not pray for these alone, but also for those believing in Me through their word, 21, so that they all might be one, as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us, so that the world might believe that You have sent Me. 22, “And the esteem which You gave Me I have given them, so that they might be one as We are one, 23, “I in them, and You in Me, so that they might be perfected into one, so that the world knows that You have sent Me, and have loved them as You have loved Me. 24, “Father, I desire that those whom You have given Me, might be with Me where I am, so that they see My esteem which You have given Me, because You loved Me before the foundation of the world. 25, “O righteous Father, indeed the world did not know You, but I knew You, and these knew that You sent Me.”
There is a hebrew version of Matthew that is actually more correct in content if one studies the hebrew rather than a translation of it, because some translators like Lamsa, and not saying he is a bad guy, but he "greek-ized" some of it, meaning he went with the greek standard rather than what the hebrew text actually said.yet there are 3 errors in the greek that are correct in the henrews version.
I know that not whatI meant to impy, I was simply showing that most translations continue to follow the pharisee law (called jewish superstition) in translation YHWH from the original text to the Lord in english.
I know that not whatI meant to impy, I was simply showing that most translations continue to follow the pharisee law (called jewish superstition) in translation YHWH from the original text to the Lord in english.
Hi Lovegodforever,
I can't give you any other answer, Its all God's law. The ten commandments which Ive shown is part of the Mosaic law = is all God's law. James uses the term royal law, because loving your neighbour harkens back to God himself Matt 22:37-40, Love the Lord with all your heart.....and Love your neighbour as yourself on these 2 commandments DEPEND all the law and prophets.
I do not believe we have God's law and a Law from Moses:
Exodus 34:28 and Deuteronomy 4:13 clearly shows that the 10 commandments where part of the Covenant God made between Himself and the Israelites, Moses was the mediator.
We do not come under the Mosaic Covenant. That includes the Sabbath (Saturday).
However, there is now a better covenant..Jesus Himself is the sacrifice, He also is the Priest, He also is the Prophet and He is also the mediator of the Covenant, all the Old Testament moves forward from the Fall, to the pictures shadows and types with Isreal and they find all their yes's in Christ. He is the reality of all the types and shadows.
Are the ten commandments good..you bet they are..whats binding on Christians is the moral..that's why we know see it as Jesus taught..Love your neighbour as yourself..
There are roughly a few ideas on Sabbath: (there are smaller fringe groups with various ideas)
1) Seventh Adventist (cult) Strict Sabbatarians...
2) Christians who now see the Lords day as Christian Sabbath (Moral law is binding)
3) Christians who say the Ten commandments are no longer binding
I've over time been between both no 2 and 3, Settled on 3 now for very good reasons! But what we do know is that we like the NT church celebrate our rest on the Lord's day (Sunday). But if you are only of work on Wednesday, then thats your day of rest, if you are only of work on a Thursday thats your day of rest (Rom 14:1ff).
This is why I always want to bring the conversation back to the work of Christ, Jesus the Messiah is Lord over the Sabbath, he can add to it or even abolish it if He wishes. Sabbath is made for man not the other way round. So christians take 1 day in 7 to rest. And it actually now depends on what day you actually have off work.
Anyhow I'm sorry I haven't answered all your questions, but I really have not got the time to read through reams of cut and paste posts, not just 1 but many.
The OT is yes in Christ.... rest in Him my friend we worship Jesus on the day he rose from the dead, in that we worship and love God with all, and we worship together loving one another as we anticipate the consummation of the Kingdom when we enter the Eternal Sabbath, as originally intended in the garden.
Yes pater, but the content of wht is being said;
"You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us"
of course we are not theos, yet He says "they too might be one in Us"
if Yahshua/Jesus is theos because He is one with the Father we would be too, we are not.
Im trying to illustrate a difference between YHWH and Yahshua, not saying I fully understand, it is impossibe for humans to quantify YHWH.
"You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, so that they too might be one in Us"
of course we are not theos, yet He says "they too might be one in Us"
if Yahshua/Jesus is theos because He is one with the Father we would be too, we are not.
Im trying to illustrate a difference between YHWH and Yahshua, not saying I fully understand, it is impossibe for humans to quantify YHWH.
if there is a hebrew text of Matthew that is the most accurate, then yes. Myself, I don't believe there is.
suppose we consider this from Romans
"for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord (kurios) will be saved.”"
I don't know of anyone who seriously belives Paul wrote to the Romans in Hebrew.
I believe it would be pharisee law and the practice of the NT apostles and prophets, since they do the same thing. But I base that, of course, on the idea that the greek text we have today is the most accurate.
suppose we consider this from Romans
"for “Whoever will call on the name of the Lord (kurios) will be saved.”"
I don't know of anyone who seriously belives Paul wrote to the Romans in Hebrew.
I believe it would be pharisee law and the practice of the NT apostles and prophets, since they do the same thing. But I base that, of course, on the idea that the greek text we have today is the most accurate.
I didn't mean Romans, but Matt, and if you count the generations in Mat 1
Matithyah 1:17, "So all the begettings from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; from David until the captivity of Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the captivity of Babylon until Messiah are fourteen generations."
So 14+14+14=42 Why is it that there are only 41 in the geneology according to the Greek Matthew? In the Hebrew Mattithyah the generations are listed properly, no greek text has them properly recorded. Just a sample of what it has to offer.
Also the thought came accross my mind that w should consult Scripture concerning His Name also, I don't mean what it is but rather how, if, why, when it should be used, and why not good or bad, just a thought.
Matithyah 1:17, "So all the begettings from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; from David until the captivity of Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the captivity of Babylon until Messiah are fourteen generations."
So 14+14+14=42 Why is it that there are only 41 in the geneology according to the Greek Matthew? In the Hebrew Mattithyah the generations are listed properly, no greek text has them properly recorded. Just a sample of what it has to offer.
Also the thought came accross my mind that w should consult Scripture concerning His Name also, I don't mean what it is but rather how, if, why, when it should be used, and why not good or bad, just a thought.