Sabbath

[Endoscopy]

Your right Jesus and Paul did not say the law was abolished or overwritten, but find their fulfilment in Christ.

Christ gave them their full meaning.. Love God--love your neigbour,, as all the law and prophets hang/depend on that/them, the the OT Mosaic law. Which points to Christ, in all His work.

Because Christ fulfilled the law, that is he is the true obedient one/perfect unlike the first Adam. Christ is righteous, the One true Priest and prophet (greater than the OT priests and prophets who where only a shadow Heb 1:1-4; NB.Heb 4:14- 5:16).

In Christ fulfilling all righteousness, that is God's Holy requirements set out in the law, we who are in Christ are 'counted' as righteous. We are no longer under the legal demands of the Mosaic economy/law. For it points to Christ and is fulfilled by Him.

We can only uphold the Law because Christ Himself perfectly obeyed it and payed the curse for us, and in Him we uphold/establish the law. We no longer strive under the law, but grace.

I think in your above post, you have misunderstood why, first of all the why Christ had to come and secondly the nature of His work then and now. You conflate the Mosaic covenant with the New.

Even Jesus said as much.

​Matthew 5 NIV



The Fulfillment of the Law


17“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Hizikyah]

I was talking about things found is resources like dictionaries. Yes, there are many scriptures that talk about things like God's name lasting forever.

In Romans 9:6, it may be the Father, or it may be the Trinity. To be honest, I'm not sure.

So you re not sure, did you notince I quote 2 verses one from the OT and ome from the NT, the NT verses was a direct quote from the OT, do we know who is being talked about there?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Hi lovegoforever,
You shouldn't need to know what I believe before you answer a question, since answering a question shows what you believe. Plus all you have to do is go back to the posts i have written. If you go back you will see that I think the moral law is good So it would be good for you to answer.

My Question here is not aimed at you but to anyone really, Where before or after the Mosaic law is the Sabbath observance required? Remembering that the Mosaic law is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).

Phil I asked you two questions;

1. Do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses (Mosaic Law)? If you do could you please explain what they are and what they mean to you?

2. In your view do you believe God's people did not know or have God's Laws (10 commandments) before they were given in Exodus 20?

The reason I asked these questions is to better understand what it is you are trying to say unless I have a wrong idea on what you believe. Many of your statements to me state or imply a number of things............

* You believe that God's Law (10 commandments) which includes the 7th day Sabbath was not kept before Mt Sinai

* You believe because Jesus kept God's Law and we are saved by grace through faith, God's Law is no longer a requirement to the Christian and cannot be obeyed

* You believe all of God's Law is obeyed only by love to your neighbor but ignore there are two great commandments one being your duty of love to God and the other being your duty of love to man on which hang all of God's Law.

* You do not know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments and the Mosaic laws)

Simply trying to avoid my questions while you expect others here to answer all your questions only shows myself and the reader two things, either;

a. You do not know the answer to the questions so you try to avoid the answering them or

b. You have something to hide.

If these were not true then you would have cut to the chase and answered the questions. By answering these questions would save so much time in getting to the truth.

 

[phil36]

Phil I asked you two questions;

1. Do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses (Mosaic Law)? If you do could you please explain what they are and what they mean to you?

2. In your view do you believe God's people did not know or have God's Laws (10 commandments) before they were given in Exodus 20?

The reason I asked these questions is to better understand what it is you are trying to say unless I have a wrong idea on what you believe. Many of your statements to me state or imply a number of things............

* You believe that God's Law (10 commandments) which includes the 7th day Sabbath was not kept before Mt Sinai

* You believe because Jesus kept God's Law and we are saved by grace through faith, God's Law is no longer a requirement to the Christian and cannot be obeyed

* You believe all of God's Law is obeyed only by love to your neighbor but ignore there are two great commandments one being your duty of love to God and the other being your duty of love to man on which hang all of God's Law.

* You do not know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments and the Mosaic laws)

Simply trying to avoid my questions while you expect others here to answer all your questions only shows myself and the reader two things, either;

a. You do not know the answer to the questions so you try to avoid the answering them or

b. You have something to hide.

If these were not true then you would have cut to the chase and answered the questions. By answering these questions would save so much time in getting to the truth.

I don't see why you need to know what I believe on order to answer a question.. Its your answer not mine.

Here is the question:

Where before or after the Mosaic law is the Sabbath observance required? Remembering that the Mosaic law is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).

 

[LoveGodForever]

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever; People try to separate God's 4th commandment from the rest of God's Law (10 commandments) forgetting that it is part of God's Royal Law which God's Word says is forever (Ecclesiastes 3:14) not realizing that the 10 commandments are our duty of love to God and man (Matthew 22:36-40). God's Royal Law is the standard of the Old and New Covenants that give us a knowledge of sin and righteousness (Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7; James 2:11; Psalms 119:172).

Phil36 replied; Hi Lovegodforever,There is a major problem with what you say here:

God's Royal Law which God's Word says is forever (Ecclesiastes 3:14)

First off, Eccl 3:14 is not referring to the the Mosaic law, and secondly if it were and we are to accept your argument why don't you include circumcision, sacrificing bulls, and all the other laws etc etc etc.

Well this statement at least answers one of my questions. You do indeed not know the difference between God’s Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses and is the reason why you may be confused.

Let’s see what God’s Word says and why Ecclesiastes 3:14 was used to say God’s Law is forever…………..

Ecclesiastes 3:14
I know that, whatsoever God doeth, it shall be for ever: nothing can be put to it, nor any thing taken from it: and God doeth it, that men should fear before him.

The context of the chapter is contrasting the works of man and the works of God. Man’s work is temporary and God’s work is forever……..

Now let’s see what God’s Word says about God’s Law (10 commandments)………….

God’s Law (10 commandments) is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) Whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). God's Law the very foundation of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). God’s Law is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). God writes His Law in our hearts so that we become like him and we follow him because we love him (Heb 8:10-12) LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's Law (Romans 13:10). This is why Jesus says to those that love him If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). He that says I know him and keeps not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4) Obedience to God’s Law is the fruit of faith that works by love and fulfils God’s Law in those who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit (James 2:20; 26; Romans 13:8-10; Romans 8:1-4)

So no my friend nothing I have said is out of place and there is no major problem from my end. It is your understanding of God’s Word that is the problem because you do not know the difference between God’s Law and the laws of Moses. God’s Law is forever. It is much of the Mosaic laws that were temporary pointing to Jesus…

It's the one who loves, who fulfils the commandments, and we can only fully love when in Christ.Romans 13:8-10 8, Owe no man anything, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law. 9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. 10, Love works no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

If someone has love how do you believe it is demonstrated in the life of those that have faith?

We can only fulfil the commandment/s to love God and your neighbour as yourself, only only the basis that Jesus fulfilled the law on our behalf.

Are you saying that you are a Christian practicing sin and Jesus cannot help his people to stop sin?

Anyhow when Christians meet together to worship and praise God and to hear His word and break bread on the 'Lord's day'..what a glorious day, and reminds us of the creational Sabbath of the eternal Sabbath rest awaiting us.

God’s Word says that only the 7th Day Sabbath is the Lord’s day and Jesus is the Lord of it (Mark 2:27-28). “The Lord’s day” is not Sunday nor is Sunday a Holy day according to God’s Word. Do you follow God through love and keep His Sabbath day Holy and follow God’s Word? Or do you follow Sunday worship? God’s Word says if we follow the teaching and traditions of man which breaks the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

 

[Hizikyah]

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."[/FONT]


[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”[/FONT]

 

[phil36]

So can you answer the question?

Where before or after the Mosaic law is the Sabbath observance required? Remembering that the Mosaic law is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).

 

[Endoscopy]

Phil I asked you two questions;

1. Do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses (Mosaic Law)? If you do could you please explain what they are and what they mean to you?

2. In your view do you believe God's people did not know or have God's Laws (10 commandments) before they were given in Exodus 20?

The reason I asked these questions is to better understand what it is you are trying to say unless I have a wrong idea on what you believe. Many of your statements to me state or imply a number of things............

* You believe that God's Law (10 commandments) which includes the 7th day Sabbath was not kept before Mt Sinai

* You believe because Jesus kept God's Law and we are saved by grace through faith, God's Law is no longer a requirement to the Christian and cannot be obeyed

* You believe all of God's Law is obeyed only by love to your neighbor but ignore there are two great commandments one being your duty of love to God and the other being your duty of love to man on which hang all of God's Law.

* You do not know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments and the Mosaic laws)

Simply trying to avoid my questions while you expect others here to answer all your questions only shows myself and the reader two things, either;

a. You do not know the answer to the questions so you try to avoid the answering them or

b. You have something to hide.

If these were not true then you would have cut to the chase and answered the questions. By answering these questions would save so much time in getting to the truth.

Gee wiz. Are you claiming Mosaic law is NOT From God? You differentiate it from God's law. And here all of the years I was taught it was all God's laws. You are going down a slippery slope using that terminology.

 

[phil36]

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."


Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

I'll post the whole part for you:

Christ Came to Fulfil the Law

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Only in Christ can we be faithful and obedient And even that depends on His grace! not law!

This is the one thing I find quite concerning is the lack of Christ centeredness..just law.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I see no mention of the work of Christ in those who demand that we follow the ten commandments, in fact Christ doesn't even seem to be central to their thinking..Law is.But we will have to wait and see what answers are given.

Friend,

You imply things in your post that has no merit in truth. Firstly who here has told you that anyone here believes they are saved by what they do in keeping God's Law apart from love and faith alone in the one who loves all. What you fail to hear is that it is only faith that works by love that shows someone is following God or not. Obedience is the fruit of the believer that has been changed from stone to flesh to love through the faith they have in the one who first loved us. It is because of love that we follow God who loves all and love is the fulfilling of God's Law to those that have faith and walk in his Spirit. You say Christ does not seem to be central to our thinking when all we say is that because of our love to him we follow him because he calls us. Who here has said to you that we are saved by the works of the law and not by faith alone through him who loves all? How can one not have Christ central to ones thinking if they through love follows the one who calls them?

 

[LoveGodForever]

Gee wiz. Are you claiming Mosaic law is NOT From God? You differentiate it from God's law. And here all of the years I was taught it was all God's laws. You are going down a slippery slope using that terminology.

I am not saying this at all.

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness (2 Tim 3:16)

Man does not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God (Matt 4:4)

For the prophecy came not in old time5 by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. (2 Peter 1:21)

I said ....There is a difference between God's Law and the laws of Moses not that one was not from God. Please do not read into something I have written that is not there.

 

[Hizikyah]

I'll post the whole part for you:
Christ Came to Fulfil the Law
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them. 18 For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. 19 Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.

Only in Christ can we be faithful and obedient And even that depends on His grace! not law!
This is the one thing I find quite concerning is the lack of Christ centeredness..just law.

[FONT=Times New Roman, serif]Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away…"[/FONT]

Interesting... So we are in a thread about the Sabbath (a Law) and I quote Yahshua's words, but Im not focused on Him? SO I have to claim Him and ignore what He said to be "focused"

You are funny. Are you looking for reason to accuse rather than fellowship in the word? Is that whats going on here?
Hmmm, I wonder... Maybe in a thread about the Messiah the focus would be 100% on Him rather a Sabbath thread?

Would you look at that, just so happens to be a thread about the Messiah here, and I didnt see you post in it? Hmm, I did, and I talked about how we should obey Him... Yet here you are accusing me in a Sabbath thread about not being Yahshua/Jesus focused... Here I will leave you wwith His words;

John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mat 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

Oh and He also said the saints keep the Law and have the witness of Himself;

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

Please stop with the predisposition to find fault.

Romans 8:33, “Who will accuse Yah's elect? It is Yah who justifies!”

For how could anyone who is a part of the Covenant ratified in the blood of Yahshua not seek to follow it;

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israyl: After those days, says יהוה: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Hebrews 10:16, "“This is the covenant that I shall make with them after those days, says יהוה, giving My laws into their hearts, and in their minds I shall write them.”

Matt 5:18, "For truly I say to you; Unless heaven and earth passes away, one yodh--the smallest of the letters--will in no way pass from the Law, until all things are perfected."

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no more sea. And I, Yahanan, saw the holy city, YHWH Shammah, coming down from YHWH out of heaven, prepared as brides adorned for their husbands. And I heard a great voice out of heaven, saying: Behold, the tabernacle of YHWH is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they will be His people, and YHWH Himself will be with them, and be their Father.”

Mat 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

John/Yahanan 14:6, "Yahshua proclaimed to him: I am the way, the truth, and the life; no man comes to the Father, except through Me."

Mat 15:24, “And He answering, said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Yisra’yl.”

Jeremiah 31:33, "For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Yisra’yl: After those days, says YHWH: I will put My Law (Torah/Instructions) in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts, and I will be their Strength, and they will be My people."

Romans 9:6-8, "However, it is not as though YHWH's plan had failed. For it is not everyone who is a descendant of Yisra’yl who belongs to Yisra’yl. Nor, just because they are his descendants, are they all Abraham's children; but: In Isaac will your seed be called. That is, it is not those who are the children of the flesh who are YHWH's children; but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's seed."

Psalm 105:6-9, "O seed of Abraham His servant, You children of Yaaqob, His chosen ones! He is YHWH our Father! His judgments are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, the Law He commanded for a thousand generations; Which He made; ratified, established, with Abraham, and vowed by His oath to Isaac. He confirmed it; let it stand, to Yaaqob for a Law, and to Israyl for an everlasting covenant."

Ohh and look at this one!

Yahshua/Jesus was prophesied as THE Prophet we MUST shama;

John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"

*Mosheh wrote:

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, "I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it"

"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey

John 3:36, “He who believes in the Son possesses everlasting life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of Yah remains on him.”

and His words line up perfectly with this;

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Psalm 11:4, "יהוה is in His holy temple; יהוה throne is in heaven;His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men."

 

[phil36]

Friend,

You imply things in your post that has no merit in truth. Firstly who here has told you that anyone here believes they are saved by what they do in keeping God's Law apart from love and faith alone in the one who loves all. What you fail to hear is that it is only faith that works by love that shows someone is following God or not. Obedience is the fruit of the believer that has been changed from stone to flesh to love through the faith they have in the one who first loved us. It is because of love that we follow God who loves all and love is the fulfilling of God's Law to those that have faith and walk in his Spirit. You say Christ does not seem to be central to our thinking when all we say is that because of our love to him we follow him because he calls us. Who here has said to you that we are saved by the works of the law and not by faith alone through him who loves all? How can one not have Christ central to ones thinking if they through love follows the one who calls them?

All you do is conflate the Old that has passed away with the New.

I'm still waiting for an answer to the question which you don't seem to want to answer.

Where before or after the Mosaic law is the Sabbath observance required? Remembering that the Mosaic law is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).

And if you do believe so.. what day was it God rested on creation..it doesn't say it just gives a number!

 

[phil36]

Revelation 21:1-2, "And I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away…"

Interesting... So we are in a thread about the Sabbath (a Law) and I quote Yahshua's words, but Im not focused on Him? SO I have to claim Him and ignore what He said to be "focused"

You are funny. Are you looking for reason to accuse rather than fellowship in the word? Is that whats going on here?
Hmmm, I wonder... Maybe in a thread about the Messiah the focus would be 100% on Him rather a Sabbath thread?

Would you look at that, just so happens to be a thread about the Messiah here, and I didnt see you post in it? Hmm, I did, and I talked about how we should obey Him... Yet here you are accusing me in a Sabbath thread about not being Yahshua/Jesus focused... Here I will leave you wwith His words;

John/Yahanan 8:31, "...If you continue in My doctrine, then you are truly My disciples."

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

John/Yahanan 14:15, "If you love Me, keep My commandments."

Mat 28:20, “Teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you. And lo, I am with you always, to the end of the age."

Mat 24:35, “Heaven and earth may pass away, but My teachings will not pass away.”

Oh and He also said the saints keep the Law and have the witness of Himself;

Revelation 12:17, “And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to fight with the remnant of her seed, those guarding the commands of Yah and possessing the witness of יהושעMessiah."

Revelation 14:12-13, “Here is the endurance of the set-apart ones, here are those guarding the commands of יהוה and the belief of יהושע. And I heard a voice out of the heaven saying to me, Write, Blessed are the dead who die in the Master from now on. Yes, says the Spirit, in order that they rest from their labors, and their works follow with them.”

Please stop with the predisposition to find fault.

Romans 8:33, “Who will accuse Yah's elect? It is Yah who justifies!”










Ohh and look at this one!



Psalm 11:4, "יהוה is in His holy temple; יהוה throne is in heaven;His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men."

Hi Hizikyah,

Thanks for the reams of scripture (of course no context given) except follow commandments follow law.

Where do you get your righteousness from, why and How?

 

[phil36]

Just incase you get the wrong idea, I have no problem taking one day out of 7, to rest in the heart of the gospel message and to rest in communion with fellow believers, breaking bread just like the very first Christians on the Lord's Day. Who wouldn't want to? Our Sabbath rest is in Christ.

 

[Endoscopy]

Sunday worship came about because of the limit of the Sabbath walking distance. The disciples lived in diverse places so they gathered on the first day of week. They worshiped every day. This caused Sunday to have a special meaning.

 

[LoveGodForever]

I don't see why you need to know what I believe on order to answer a question.. Its your answer not mine.
Here is the question:
Where before or after the Mosaic law is the Sabbath observance required? Remembering that the Mosaic law is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).

I have told you twice already the reason I have asked you two questions is so I do not misunderstand you. From what you have shown in your posts and questions to others is that you expect people to answer your questions but ignore questions asked of you.

It is ok if you cannot answer them. I will answer them for you. You are not here to discuss anything you are here to present your interpretation of God's Word and are not willing to share and be open to what others have to share. This is ok you have answered my real questions and helped me to have a better understanding of where you are coming from...
The two questions I asked you earlier actually answer your own question which is why I asked them in the first place to see your response and your reason in asking them.

The first questions was..........

1. Do you know the difference between God's Law (10 commandments) and the laws of Moses (Mosaic Law)? If you do could you please explain what they are and what they mean to you?

Let's see what God's Word says..............

There was two sets of laws that were given to God’s people in the Old Testament scriptures.

(1) God’s Law (10 commandments) pointed out what sin was and the penalty of sin which is death. It was never a cure for sin in the Old Testament as well as in the New. It only gives a knowledge of what sin is and righteousness (right doing) (Rom 3:20; James 2:11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23; Psalms 119:172).

(2) The laws of Moses was the second set of laws and included all the civil, ceremonial, and ecclesiastical laws. These laws could not tell you what sin was this was the job of God’s Law, however the laws of Moses were the prescriptive cure for sin in the Old Covenant. These laws included all the Levitical and ceremonial laws, sacrificial burnt offerings for sin, annual festivals and earthly sanctuary services for sin. These laws were the cure for sin so the sinner could be made right with God. These where all prophetic in nature, teaching the plan of salvation which pointing to Jesus as the true lamb of God and our great high priest and His Work on our behalf in the Heavenly Sanctuary. (Leviticus 1; 3-12; 14-17; 22-23; Number 6-8; 15; 28-29; Deuteronomy 12; 33; Exodus 25:8; John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28)

From the above it can be seen that God’s Law was written on stone and the laws of Moses in a book. God’s Law is forever and only points out what sin is but was never a cure for sin (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4; Romans 6:23).

The laws of Moses included all the ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws that were the cure for sin with all the sin offerings and earthly Sanctuary services, annual festivals and sin offerings which were prophetic in nature and temporary pointing to the life, death, resurrection of Jesus and his role as the true lamb of God and your great high priest to atone for our sins (John 1:29; 36; Revelation 5:6; 1 Corinthians 5:6-7; Hebrews 8:2-13; 9:1-28).

Ephesians 2:15 and Colossians 2:14 The handwriting of ordinances (ceremonial laws and ordinances written in a book) is referring to the ceremonial, ecclesiastical laws of Moses which included the Jewish annual festivals and sin offerings that pointed to Jesus.

The Greek words used here is handwriting G5498 χειρόγραφον; cheirographon; which means; hand written legal document which is combined with ordinance G1378 δόγμα dogma dog'-mah From the base of G1380; which means; civil, ceremonial or ecclesiastical law: - decree;

The Greek meaning of handwriting of ordinances in v14 of Colossians 2 and v15 in Ephesians 2 is a hand written legal document or book of civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws. These are the laws referred to in verse 14 that have been erased and are nailed to the cross.

What is the legal written document or book (handwriting of ordinances) that includes the civil, ceremonial and ecclesiastical laws referring to?

Why were the ceremonial laws of Moses (handwriting of ordinances) nailed to the cross?...............

Jesus was our true sacrifice for our sins and the saviour of the world that the ceremonial laws of Moses all pointed to. When Jesus came and died the old Covenant laws of Moses that pointed to Jesus and the plan of salvation was fulfilled (John 1:29; 36; Rev 5:6; 1Cor 5:6-7; Heb 8:2-13; 9:1-28). Jesus is our true Lamb of God who takes away the sins of the world and our sacrifice for our sins. It is our sins as well as the ceremonial laws of Moses that were nailed to the cross at the death of Jesus (Colossians 2:14; Ephesians 2:15; John 3:16).

God's Law is forever and the standard of the Old and New Covenants and the Judgement to come.....

The Law of God (10 commandments) is the work of God (Exodus 32:16) whatsoever God does is forever nothing can be added to it or taken away (Ecclesiastes 3:14). God's Law is perfect converting the soul (Psalms 19:7). It is the very foundation of the Old and New Covenants (Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12). God's Law was spoken by God himself to His people (Exodus 20:1-22). Jesus says Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away (Matthew 25:35). Gods Law is still in force today (Psalms 111:7-8, Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, 1 John 3:5-8, 1 John 2:3-4 etc.). The Law of God reveals sin to us so we can see ourselves as we truly are sinners in need of a Saviour (Romans 3:20; 1 John 3:4). It is the great standard of the judgement (Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31). God's Law is our teacher revealing sin and the character of God and brings us to Christ at the foot of the cross that we might be saved by faith by Him who loves us and washed us in His own blood (Galatians 3:24; Revelation 1:5). God writes His Law in our hearts so that we become like him and we follow him because we love him (Heb 8:10-12) LOVE is the fulfilling (doing) of God's Law (Romans 13:10). This is why Jesus says to those that love him If you love me keep my commandments (John 14:15). He that says I know him and keeps not his commandments is a liar and the truth is not in him (1 John 2:4) Obedience to God’s Law is the fruit of faith that works by love and fulfills

Love is the fulfilling of God's Royal Law.....

Matthew 22:36-40 (The two great commandments of love that fulfills God's Law)
36, Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37, And he said unto him, (1) Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38, This is the first and great commandment. 39, And the second like unto it is this, (2) Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40, On these two commandments the whole law hangs, and the prophets. (Jesus is quoting from Deut 6:5 and Lev 19:18)

Jesus says we have (1) a duty of love to God as well as a (2) duty of love to our neighbor in Matthew 22:36-40 and on these two commandments hang all the Law and the prophets....

Now let's look at the message of Jesus to the rich young ruler. I believe this is the same message that can be a blessing or a curse to you because you hold the same belief that if you only have to follow the 2nd great commandment of love to your neighbor...

Matthew 19:16-26
16, And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? 17, And he said unto him, Why call thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandment(s) <Plural more then one referring to the two Great one love to God and neighbor>. 18, He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, 19, Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
<Jesus first quotes our duty of love in the 2nd Great commandment> 20, The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? <The rich young ruler followed this commandment but deep down inside he knew he lacked something> 21, Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. 22, But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. 23, Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. 24, And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. 25, When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? 26, But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

This was the message to the rich young ruler because he believed he practiced love to His neighbor which is the second great commandment and this is what you believe, but Jesus tells him Go sell all that you have and give it to the poor and come and follow me. The rich young ruler went away sorrowful because he had great possessions.....

What is the meaning?....................

The rich young ruler believed he was following God because he was obeying God's 2nd great commandment which is our duty of Love our neighbor. He quotes the commandments the are our duty of love to our neighbor but deep down inside he knew that something was wrong, so he went and asks Jesus, What must I do to that I may have eternal life? Jesus then shows him that he loved his possessions more than God and was not obeying the 1st great commandment and duty of love to God. His God and idol was his possessions which he loved more than God.

Was the rich young ruler in a saved state?

But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions. He was sorrowful because Jesus showed him he was not really following his duty of Love to God (1st great commandment) and goes on to say... Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

If we break one of God's commandments of love on which all the Law and the prophets hang, we stand guilty before God of breaking all of them... If we reject God's Word then God's Word will judge us in the last days..

There are two great commandments. One is our love to God (Exodus 20:1-11; Deut 6:5; Matt 22:36-40) and the second is love to our neighbor (Exodus 20:12-17; Lev 19:18; Matt 22:36-40) Love is indeed the fulfilling of the entire Law. However, if we are breaking any of God's commandments it shows us that we do not have the love of God in us. Only by faith that works by love is God's Law fulfilled in us who walk not after the flesh but after the Spirit and is why we need to be born again......

On the two Great commandments of love hang all of God's Law......

Matthew 22:36-40
36, Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law? 37, And he said unto him, (1) Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. 38, This is the great and first commandment. 39, And a second like unto it is this, (2) Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 40, On these two commandments the whole law hangs, and the prophets.

Duty of love to our neighbor.....

Romans 13:8-10
8, Owe no man anything, save to love one another: for he that loves his neighbor hath fulfilled the law. 9, For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not covet, and if there be any other commandment, it is summed up in this word, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. 10, Love works no ill to his neighbor: love therefore is the fulfillment of the law. (this is the 2nd great commandment of love to our neighbor)

James 2:8-12
8, Howbeit if ye fulfill the royal law, according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, but if ye have respect of persons, ye commit sin, being convicted by the law as transgressors. 10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is become guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou dost not commit adultery, but killest, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as men that are to be judged by a law of liberty.

If we are knowingly and willfully breaking any of God's commandments we do not have God's love in us. This includes your duty of love to God in the first great commandment. If you break the 4th commandment you are not fulfilling your duty of your love to God. God is calling us to repent and believe the Gospel for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand....


The second question to be continued...........

 

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Continued from last post for Question # 2

2. In your view do you believe God's people did not know or have God's Laws (10 commandments) before they were given in Exodus 20?

What makes you think Abraham did not know the 10 commandments or the ceremonial laws for sin offerings? What does God's Word say...........

Did Abraham keep God's commandments?

Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

The Hebrew words God uses here are especially important. As The Expositor’s Bible Commentary explains regarding this verse: “The Lord then added a remarkable note: Abraham ‘kept my requirements [ mismarti ], my commands [ miswotay ], my decrees [ huqqotay ] and my laws [ wetorotay ]’ (v. 5).

“It is remarkable that this is precisely the way in which obedience to the Sinai Covenant is expressed in Deuteronomy 11:1 ‘Love the Lord your God and keep his requirements [ mismarto ], his decrees [ huqqotayw ], his laws [ mispatayw ] and his commands [ miswotayw ]’ . . .

“Thus Abraham is an example of one who shows the law written on his heart (Jeremiah 31:33). He is the writer’s ultimate example of true obedience to the law, the one about whom the Lord could say, ‘Abraham obeyed me’ (v. 5). Thus, by showing Abraham to be an example of ‘keeping the law,’ the writer has shown the nature of the relationship between the law and faith. Abraham, a man who lived in faith, could be described as one who kept the law” (Vol. 2, 1990, pp. 186-187, emphasis added).

Were the ceremonial laws for sin offerings known before God gave the 10 commandments and Moses wrote the ceremonial laws for sin? Now it must be very clear, if God's people were practicing ceremonial offerings for sin they would have known God's Law (10 commandments) because sin is the transgression of God's Law and the knowledge of what sin is (1 John 3:4; Romans 3:20; Romans 7:7, James 2:11). Otherwise why the need to offer up sin offering if they did not know what sin was?

Before God's 10 commandments and the ceremonial laws of Moses were given....

Genesis 4:2-7
2, And she again bare his brother Abel.2 And Abel was a keeper of sheep, but Cain was a tiller of the ground. 3, And in process of time it came to pass, that Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. 4, And Abel, he also brought of the first-lings of his flock and of the fat thereof. And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: 5, But unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect. And Cain was very wroth, and his countenance fell. 6, And the LORD said unto Cain, Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen? 7, If thou do well, shalt thou not be accepted ? and if thou do not well, sin lies at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

Genesis 8:20
Then Noah built an altar to the LORD, and took of every clean animal and of every clean bird and offered burnt offerings on the altar.

Exodus 10:25
But Moses said, "You must also let us have sacrifices and burnt offerings, that we may sacrifice them to the LORD our God.

Abraham saved the same way everyone is and that is by faith that leads to obedience...

Romans 4:3
For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.

Hebrews 11:8
By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.

Hebrews 11:17
By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

James 2:21
Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?

More?...............

Genesis 5:22,
And Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah three hundred years, and begat sons and daughters:

Genesis 6:9
These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect4 in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

Sabbath given before Mt Sinai......

Genesis 2:1-3
1, Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2, And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3, And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Exodus 16:23; 25; 29
23, And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning. 25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field. 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he gives you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.

So it is quite clear that God's people before Mount Sinai had God's Law and the ceremonial laws for sin offerings pointing to Jesus.......

God's Law is the standard of the Old and New Covenants and the judgement to come...
(Exodus 20:1:17, Hebrews 8:10-12; Exodus 36:26-27; Jeremiah 31:33-34; Hebrews 10:26-28; Romans 1:29-32; 2:-9; 2 Corinthians 5:10; Hebrews 9:27; Ecclesiastes 12:13-14, James 2:10-12, 1 John 3:4, Acts 17:31) and if we break it we stand guilty before God of committing sin (1 John 3:4; James 2:11; Romans 7:7) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) All must hear the word of the Lord and repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand and fear God and give glory to him for the hour of His Judgement Has come......

So these scriptures indeed answers your question from God's Word and also with the other posts provided shows the the 4th Commandment is one of the 10. If we break knowingly break it we stand guilty before God of sin and if unrepentant in danger of the judgement. Only through faith that works by love can God save you from sin because love is the fulfilling of His law in us who walk by faith and not by sight to follow the one who loves us and is why Jesus says if you love me keep my commandments. Do you really love God?................

God's Sheep hear His voice...

 

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Are you really loving God and your neighbour?

God's Law (10 commandments) of love is summed up as our love for God and man (Matthew 22:36-40).

So by saying this is someone fulfilling their duty of loving God or his neighbor if they break His commandments? Or is someone in a saved state if they are practicing known unrepentant sin? These are interesting questions. No one is saved by trying to keep God's Law. Everyone is only saved by God's grace through faith and not of ourselves it is only a gift of God as we believe His Word but obedience is indeed the fruit of faith and if it is not in the life of those profession his name they are not believers and do not have saving faith and are in danger of the judgment.

Let's look at the scriptures.................

What is sin..................?

1 John 3:4
Whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

James 2:11
For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.

Romans 3:20
Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Romans 7:7
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Sin is breaking of God's Law (10 commandments).........

Is someone saved who is practicing unrepentant sin........................?

Hebrew 10:27-28
26, For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, 27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Hebrews 6:4-8
4, For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, 5, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, 6, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame. 7, For the earth which drinks in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and brings forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receives blessing from God: 8, But that which bears thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure.4, Whosoever commits sin transgress also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

Ezekiel 18:20-26,
20, The soul that sins, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21, But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22, All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live. 23, Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live? 24, But when the righteous turneth away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All his righteousness that he hath done shall not be mentioned: in his trespass that he hath trespassed, and in his sin that he hath sinned, in them shall he die. 25, Yet ye say, The way of the Lord is not equal. Hear now, O house of Israel; Is not my way equal? are not your ways unequal? 26, When a righteous man turneth away from his righteousness, and commits iniquity, and dies in them; for his iniquity that he hath done shall he die.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9, Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, 10, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revellers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:19-21
19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, 20, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, 21, Envying’s, murders, drunkenness, revelling’s, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

2 Peter 4:6
4, For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; 5, And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6, And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an example unto those that after should live ungodly;

19, While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption: for of whom a man is overcome, of the same is he brought in bondage. 20, For if after they have escaped the pollution's of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. 21, For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them. 22, But it is happened unto them according to the true proverb, The dog is turned to his own vomit again; and the sow that was washed to her wallowing in the mire.

Romans 6:18-23
18, Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness. 19, I speak after the manner of men because of the infirmity of your flesh: for as ye have yielded your members servants to uncleanness and to iniquity unto iniquity; even so now yield your members servants to righteousness unto holiness. 20, For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness. 21, What fruit had ye then in those things whereof ye are now ashamed? for the end of those things is death. 22, But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life. 23, For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:13,
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Romans 2:12
For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law.

James 2:8-12,
8, If ye fulfill the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, ye do well: 9, But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.10, For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all. 11, For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law. 12, So speak ye, and so do, as they that shall be judged by the law of liberty.

Jeremiah 31:30
But every one shall die for his own iniquity: every man that eateth the sour grape, his teeth shall be set on edge

2 Corinthians 7:1
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

Ephesians 4:21-24
21, If so be that ye have heard him, and have been taught by him, as the truth is in Jesus: 22, That ye put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts; 23, And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; 24, And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

1 Thessalonians 4:7
For God hath not called us unto uncleanness, but unto holiness.

Hebrews 12:14
Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord

1 Peter 1:15-16
But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.

Those who do not turn from unrepentant sin do not know God's love and will not be saved………….

How do we know who God's people are.........................?

1 John 2:3-4
3, And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4, He that saith, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

1 John 3:3-10
3, And every man that hath this hope in him purifies himself, even as he is pure. 4, whosoever commits sin transgresses also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6, Whosoever abides in him sins not: whosoever sins hath not seen him, neither known him. 7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that does righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8, He that commits sin is of the devil; for the devil sins from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9, Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed <1 Peter 1:23> remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10, In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever does not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loves not his brother.

God’s people through faith that works by love do not practice sin. This is the difference between the children of God and the children of the devil and because of their love for Jesus then keep his commandments (See also; John 14:15; 15:10; Rev 12:17; 14:12; 22:14)

Let's pull it all together....

Sin is breaking any of God's 10 commandments. If we knowingly break any of God's commandments and do not repent then we are in unrepentant sin. Those that are knowingly breaking any of God's 10 commandments and are in unrepentant sin will not inherit the Kingdom of God. (Hebrews 10:26-27; Hebrews 6:4-8; James 2:8-12; 1John 3:3-10; Acts 17:30-31)

God has 10 commandments; if we knowingly break any one of them we stand guilty before God of committing sin and breaking His Law. This includes the 4th commandment the 7th Day Sabbath which is one of the ten (Exodus 20:1-17; James 2:11; Romans 3:20; 7:7;

1 John 3:4).

God’s true believers keep all of God’s commandments (including the 7th Day Sabbath) through their faith that works by love in God’s Word. Love is the fulfilling of God’s law in them because they walk be faith that works by love in His Spirit.

In times of ignorance God winks at but now calls on all men everywhere to repent and seek him today while he may be found. Tomorrow may be too late...

 

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I don't see why you need to know what I believe on order to answer a question.. Its your answer not mine. Here is the question: Where before or after the Mosaic law is the Sabbath observance required? Remembering that the Mosaic law is now obsolete (Heb 8:13).

Sorry Phil I noticed I missed a section to your questions which includes the Sabbath from God's Law (not Mosaic) after Mt Sinai. I have not time to go through all the OT scriptures so will just focus on some of the NT scriptures only......

Let's look at what God's Word says.......

What did Jesus and the Apostles teach about the Sabbath in the New Testament?

1. It is lawful to do good on the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56)
2. Jesus made the Sabbath for all mankind (Mark 2:27)
3. Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath (Mark 2:28)
4. If you do not believe and follow God you cannot enter His Sabbath rest (Hebrews 4)
5. It is one of God’s 10 commandments we break it we are guilty or breaking all (James 2:8-12)
6. Breaking it is sin (1 John 3:4)
7. God’s true followers keep it Holy as God commanded (Rev 14:12; Rev 22:14; Eze 20:20)
8. Jesus is our example and he kept the Sabbath (Matt 12:1-8; 10-12; 24:20; Mark 3:1-5; Luke 6:1-10; 13:14-16; 14:1-5; John 7:22-23; 9:14; Mark 1:21; Mark 6:2; Luke 4:16; 31; Luke 14:1; 23:56; John 2:6; Matt 16:24; 1 Cor 11:1; Eph 5:1-21; Pet 2:20-22)
9. The Apostle kept the Sabbath (Acts 13:14; 13:27; 13:44; 15:21; 16:13; 17:2; 18:4; Rev 1:10)

God’s Law in the NC is written on our hearts it is through love and it is love the fulfills God’s Law in us as we walk not after the flesh but after the spirit and is why Jesus says f you love me keep my commandments. (John 14:15; John 15:10). If we knowingly break one of God’s commandments we commit sin (1 John 3:4). This includes the 7th Day Sabbath which Jesus made for us and commands us to keep as a holy day.

Now including all the posts and scriptures provided you in posts # 3525; 3537; 3538; 3539; 3540 your question has been clearly answered through God's Word. I look forward to you answering these posts. If you cannot we must believe God over the teachings and traditions of man that break the commandments of God or God's Word tells us that we are not following him. (Matthew 15:3-9)

Hope this helps....