Good Thursday?

[Magenta]

That full moon also means that when the three hours of darkness occurred as Jesus lay dying on the cross, that it was a cosmological impossibility for it to be due to a solar eclipse, as some people like to postulate. During a full moon, the earth is smack dab in the middle between the greater and lesser lights, while a solar eclipse happens when the moon passes between the earth and the sun.

 

[Locutus]

Here's a chart from a book that I scanned years ago - sorry about the quality which makes it hard to read, and I think there is an error in placement of one of the authors notes on the diagram if I remember rightly.

Go to the view on your web browser and increase view setting to 150-175%

 

[Magenta]

I found this chart I posted in a previous thread

 

[BeyondET]

I think that was a typo. Yes the Passover is on the first full moon following the vernal equinox.

Does the bible speak of this vernal equinox being at the time of Jesus crucification? and is the Passover the same as the celebration of the Passover.

Is the feast of the unleavened bread the same as the Passover Seder feast?

 

[hornetguy]

It appears we agree that Nisan 14 was Thursday... according (by what I've read) to Jewish law, the Passover lamb was to be slaughtered on the afternoon of Nisan 14, and was cooked after sundown on Nisan 14, for the Passover meal (Seder?) which begins Passover on Nisan 15. Nisan 15 would be the Passover Sabbath, wouldn't it? The beginning of the Feast of Unleavened bread, that lasted 7 days?

Since Jewish calendars started a day with the evening, then if Jesus was crucified (like the lamb) on the afternoon of Nisan 14, and put in the tomb before sundown, then the first "night" would be Thursday night, the beginning of Nisan 15. The first day would be Nisan 15, etc....

 

[hornetguy]

Here's a chart from a book that I scanned years ago - sorry about the quality which makes it hard to read, and I think there is an error in placement of one of the authors notes on the diagram if I remember rightly.

Go to the view on your web browser and increase view setting to 150-175%

I like this chart... it simply got the day of the week wrong for Nisan 14.... that was Thursday, according to the professional observatory folks.

 

[Magenta]

Wednesday <---- Buried just before sunset, tomb sealed marks clock[in the earth]

[between] dusk and dark

Thursday <---- First day of Unleavened Bread, an evening and morning

Friday <---- Preparation day for the weekly Sabbath, an evening and morning

Saturday <---- Resurrection just after Sabbath ended, an evening and morning

[between] dusk and dark he arrose,
exactually [between] the days, makes 3 days 3 nights, if Gods word is to stand.

This is exactly 72 hour just as Christ said it would be (Mat 12:39-40)

Here is a post from a past thread. The next one is more complicated...

the time of Jesus, The Jews keep the Passover on the 15th of Nisan.
Even still today, But is this the correct day to observe the Passover?

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In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover” (verses 4-5).
Notice first that this is God’s Passover—not the Jews’—and the day it is to be kept
is the 14th, not the 15th.

the Passover begins at sunset, at the beginning of the 14th.
The Jewish community observes their Passover on the 15th.

Leviticus 23:6 tells us that the first day of Unleavened Bread is on the 15th.
the Passover and the Days of Unleavened Bread are different and separate festivals.

the Passover lamb was to be sacrificed “in the evening” (Exodus 12:6)
on the 14th day of the first month. “In the evening” is between sunset and dark.

Deuteronomy 16:6 confirms this when it says the lamb was sacrificed “at even,
at the going down of the sun.” “the time between sunset and deep twilight.”

Exodus 12:8 says the Israelites were to eat the Passover meal “in that night.” Which night?
The one mentioned in verse 6: the 14th. After that, God smote the firstborn “this night”
(verse 12). Not the next night—this night—the 14th!

That is why, in Numbers 28:16, it says, “And in the fourteenth day of the first month is
[the passover of the Lord]” (we see also Leviticus 23:5-6).

5In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is [the Lord's passover].
6And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread
unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

The events of the Passover occur in the 14th. And the events of
the first day of Unleavened Bread occur in the 15th!

Exodus 12:21-22 the Israelites were not to leave their houses until morning.
If they did, they would have died. This is why they were to burn their leftovers
the next morning (verse 10).the morning after the Passover is still the 14th
—the day portion of the 14th.

(verse 11)
11And thus shall ye eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet,
and your staff in your hand; and ye shall eat it in haste: it is [the Lord's passover].
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Deuteronomy 16:1 says they left Egypt “by night.” Their exodus from Egypt
then had to be that following night, or the night[start] of the 15th.

This was to be a “night to be much observed” (Exodus 12:42).
This is confirmed in Numbers 33:3: “And they departed … on the fifteenth day
of the first month; on the morrow AFTER the passover .…”

the spoiling of the Egyptians (Exodus 12:33-36). This could have only taken place on the
afternoon of the 14th, just hours before [the Israelites left Egypt the night of the 15th].

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How did the Passover get its name originally? “For the Lord will pass through to smite
the Egyptians; and when he seeth the blood upon the lintel, and on the two side posts,

the Lord will pass over the door, and will not suffer the destroyer to come in unto your
houses to smite you. … That ye shall say, It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s passover, who
passed over the houses of the children of Israel in Egypt, when he smote the Egyptians,
and delivered our houses. And the people bowed the head and worshipped” (Exodus 12:23, 27).

God passed over the houses that had the blood of the lamb on their doorpost.
God also passes over (forgives) our sins when we repent of them and come
under the shed blood of Jesus Christ our Passover, sacrificed for us.


Kept on the 14th Many Generations Later

When the Hebrew children would ask about this service years later, the parents were to
respond, “It is the sacrifice of the Lord’s Passover” (Exodus 12:27). this is God’s Passover,
and God said “the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord’s passover” (Lev 23:5).

Many generations later, the Israelites were still keeping the Passover on the 14th.

They kept the Passover on the correct day when they were in the wilderness (Numbers 9:5).
When they entered into the Promised Land, they were still all in agreement (Joshua 5:10).
King Josiah kept the Passover on the 14th (2 Chronicles 35:1). We also read in Ezra’s time
they were still keeping it on the 14th (Ezra 6:19), and this was about 519 b.c.


But the New Testament Jews Keep it a Day Later
the Jews were not all keeping the same day as Jesus Christ did and commanded.

“And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem” (John 2:13).
Here it is called “the Jews’ Passover”—not “the Lord’s Passover.”

The Jewish confusion most likely arose in the third century before Christ.
The Palestinian Jews were under Egyptian control from 301 to 198 b.c.


“While the Egyptians allowed the Jews to retain their ancient calendar, there was a
change made in the beginning of the day—it became common to begin the day at sunrise.
This custom was adopted, and persisted among the Jews even down to New Testament times

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Good friday and easter sunrise service is a tradition of man.

 

[Locutus]

I found this chart I posted in a previous thread

That's saying a Wed crucifixtion.

 

[Magenta]

Does the bible speak of this vernal equinox being at the time of Jesus crucification? and is the Passover the same as the celebration of the Passover.

Is the feast of the unleavened bread the same as the Passover Seder feast?

The Jews have always used a lunar calendar... the following is
from wiki but surely can be confirmed in multiple sources

The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. Passover is a spring festival, so the 15th day of Nisan typically begins on the night of a full moon after the northern vernal equinox. However, due to intercalary months or leap months falling after the vernal equinox, Passover sometimes starts on the second full moon after vernal equinox, as in 2016.

 

[Locutus]

I like this chart... it simply got the day of the week wrong for Nisan 14.... that was Thursday, according to the professional observatory folks.

Not if it's worked back from the 1st day of the week (Sunday) HTG.

I remember struggling with this years ago, and one of the problems is the different way the gospels talk about the various days differently.

 

[Magenta]

That's saying a Wed crucifixtion.

Yes, and that is what I believe

 

[Magenta]

Not if it's worked back from the 1st day of the week (Sunday) HTG.

I remember struggling with this years ago, and one of the problems is the different way the gospels talk about the various days differently.

Yes, even the hours are said differently, like the third hour in one gospel will be the ninth hour in another. Sometimes my feeble brain just does not compute.

 

[Magenta]

According to Mark, Jesus went to the cross at the third hour, which in Jewish time corresponds to our 9AM [Mark 15:25], and according to the Gospel accounts He gave up His life at the ninth hour, our 3PM. At the sixth hour (noon) began the three hours of darkness.

 

[Locutus]

Exo 12:6 And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening.


Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover.

Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread.

Lev 23:7 In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.

Lev 23:8 But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the LORD seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
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[BeyondET]

The Jews have always used a lunar calendar... the following is
from wiki but surely can be confirmed in multiple sources

The Passover begins on the 15th day of the month of Nisan, which typically falls in March or April of the Gregorian calendar. Passover is a spring festival, so the 15th day of Nisan typically begins on the night of a full moon after the northern vernal equinox. However, due to intercalary months or leap months falling after the vernal equinox, Passover sometimes starts on the second full moon after vernal equinox, as in 2016.

And your trying to line up these dates using the gregorian calander which wasn't even in place, what was used by the Romans in those times was the Julian calandar. the gregorian calander came around along time after the Julian and of those two niether of them line up with the Hebrew calander aka the lunar.

 

[valiant]

If he rose on the third day then He died on a Friday. The problem with His dying on a Wednesday or a Thursday is why the women did not anoint Jesus body earlier. If He died on Wednesday they would anoint His body either on Thursday or on Friday If He dies on Thursday why did they wait until Sunday. The Jews never observed two Sabbaths on successive days.,

 

[BeyondET]

According to Mark, Jesus went to the cross at the third hour, which in Jewish time corresponds to our 9AM [Mark 15:25], and according to the Gospel accounts He gave up His life at the ninth hour, our 3PM. At the sixth hour (noon) began the three hours of darkness.

I can agree with this, and on top of this Pilate had the noticed place on the cross at the six hour.

 

[BeyondET]

Jesus enter into the mouth when was arrested, the clock started ticking, He got chewed up and swallowed.

Can't enter the stomach without passing through the teeth.

 

[Magenta]

And your trying to line up these dates using the gregorian calander which wasn't even in place, what was used by the Romans in those times was the Julian calandar. the gregorian calander came around along time after the Julian and of those two niether of them line up with the Hebrew calander aka the lunar.

It is simply making the point that the Passover (and our Easter or Resurrection Sunday as well) is always tied to the occurrence of the first full moon following the vernal equinox.

 

[Locutus]

Sabbath means rest (no work), THE sabbath was Friday evening to Saturday evening so there can be more than one "sabbath".


Exo 12:15 Seven days shall ye eat unleavened bread; even the first day ye shall put away leaven out of your houses: for whosoever eateth leavened bread from the first day until the seventh day, that soul shall be cut off from Israel.

Exo 12:16 And in the first day there shall be an holy convocation, and in the seventh day there shall be an holy convocation to you; no manner of work shall be done in them, save that which every man must eat, that only may be done of you.