Should we wait for the devil, or is it time to begin building Ezekiel's Temple?

[NayborBear]

Wow -- you are really off on some kind of strange tangent. And devoid of scriptural support, I might add.

Where and when in the New Testament are believers instructed to pool huge sums of money...then travel thousands of miles across the globe...to build a structure? Where is this called for in the NT? Answer: Absolutely nowhere.

It is utterly absurd...that believers should turn their lives upside down for a useless building project. We have not been called to build structures in far-flung corners of the planet. Gooood grief, man.

We have not been called to undertake a formal "unification" project. You can't 'unify' with other groups that have strange beliefs. I'm not going to sacrifice all my beliefs and my doctrinal distinctives...to have building project.

I would not be so quick in denouncing this guy! Remember what the Apostle Paul stated how the "gospel", that was rejected by the Jews, and brought to the gentiles, that once the "fulness of the gentiles" was come in, would then again, be brought to the Jews?

Maybe it's that time! I sure can't say it is! I sure can't say it isn't, either! If it is? BLESSED be the tie that binds us to JEHOVAH! Which is Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

 

[Aryeh]

So . . . what must one do to be saved, in your view?

Please specify, with contextual Scripture.

Thanks,
-JGIG

I already quoted above: Matthew 24:31. When I created the topic, I was not going to answer questions like: "Why do we need to fulfill the prophecy of Ezekiel's word?"

I showed you the drawings of this Temple, indicated the place where, according to the prophecy, this Messianic Temple should be built.

And I asked a simple question: who are you waiting for, Jesus Christ, or Antichrist? Do we need to hope for the devil, who may be willing to build a Temple for himself - a mousetrap, where he will be slammed. Or we must follow God and fulfill the Scripture without looking at the devil. There are two possible answers: 1) follow God, according to the Scriptures, or 2) hope for the devil, in accordance with the popular theological constructs of some theologians.

 

[zone]

Ezekiel's temple is a picture of Christ and His church

 

[JGIG]

Originally Posted by JGIG

So . . . what must one do to be saved, in your view?

Please specify, with contextual Scripture.

Thanks,
-JGIG

I already quoted above: Matthew 24:31. When I created the topic, I was not going to answer questions like: "Why do we need to fulfill the prophecy of Ezekiel's word?"

I didn't ask about Ezekiel's prophecy, I asked, what must one do to be saved. Answer or not, it's your choice.

I showed you the drawings of this Temple, indicated the place where, according to the prophecy, this Messianic Temple should be built.

The Body of Christ is the Messianic temple, built of living stones:

4 As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. (from 1 Pet. 2)

Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are. (from 1 Cor. 3)

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit. (From Eph. 2)
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And I asked a simple question: who are you waiting for, Jesus Christ, or Antichrist? Do we need to hope for the devil, who may be willing to build a Temple for himself - a mousetrap, where he will be slammed. Or we must follow God and fulfill the Scripture without looking at the devil. There are two possible answers: 1) follow God, according to the Scriptures, or 2) hope for the devil, in accordance with the popular theological constructs of some theologians.

We are looking forward to Christ's return in the flesh, but also are one with Him in the Spirit, now.

We do not look for a physical temple - its time passed away with the Levitical priesthood, when Christ, of the Tribe of Judah, was appointed by an oath by God to be the Perfect, Permanent, High Priest of all who would believe in Him.

It really is that simple.

I believe you are attempting to preach a false gospel here - actually no gospel at all, for Christ's Cross, Resurrection, Ascension, and Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood don't figure into your equation at all. What you present here is all about what must man do to bring about God's plan, instead of entering in to what God has already accomplished in Christ. There is a certain fascination in what you put forth, but it's not the way by which we draw near to God - according to God:

17 For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.​

-JGIG

 

[zone]

JGIG I love your posts

 

[JGIG]

JGIG I love your posts

Thanks, zone .

I check posts sporadically - been in the process of a very long move (1000 miles). My style is hit and run as I feel led, lately, ha!

Good to see you here!

Grace and peace,
-JGIG

 

[valiant]

And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Have you ever wondered in which place you will need to gather?

yep in the air, from where we shall ever be with the Lord in the new spiritual heaven and earth (1 Thess 4.13on).

 

[valiant]

I would not be so quick in denouncing this guy! Remember what the Apostle Paul stated how the "gospel", that was rejected by the Jews, and brought to the gentiles, that once the "fulness of the gentiles" was come in, would then again, be brought to the Jews?

Maybe it's that time! I sure can't say it is! I sure can't say it isn't, either! If it is? BLESSED be the tie that binds us to JEHOVAH! Which is Jesus Christ of Nazareth!

he was not speaking in Romans 11 of a conversion of Israel after the Gentiles. Both would be together and would form the church at that time

 

[valiant]

I want to add that in the prophecy of Ezekiel, it is entirely possible to understand everything.

I disagree totally. There is not sufficient information. It is pure surmise,

 

[Aryeh]

I didn't ask about Ezekiel's prophecy, I asked, what must one do to be saved. Answer or not, it's your choice.



The Body of Christ is the Messianic temple, built of living stones:

4 As you come to him, a living stone rejected by men but in the sight of God chosen and precious, 5 you yourselves like living stones are being built up as a spiritual house, to be a holy priesthood, to offer spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. (from 1 Pet. 2)

Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If any man destroys the temple of God, God will destroy him, for the temple of God is holy, and that is what you are. (from 1 Cor. 3)

19 Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and strangers, but fellow citizens with God’s people and also members of his household, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit. (From Eph. 2)
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We are looking forward to Christ's return in the flesh, but also are one with Him in the Spirit, now.

We do not look for a physical temple - its time passed away with the Levitical priesthood, when Christ, of the Tribe of Judah, was appointed by an oath by God to be the Perfect, Permanent, High Priest of all who would believe in Him.

It really is that simple.

I believe you are attempting to preach a false gospel here - actually no gospel at all, for Christ's Cross, Resurrection, Ascension, and Perfect, Permanent High Priesthood don't figure into your equation at all. What you present here is all about what must man do to bring about God's plan, instead of entering in to what God has already accomplished in Christ. There is a certain fascination in what you put forth, but it's not the way by which we draw near to God - according to God:

17 For it is declared:
“You are a priest forever,
in the order of Melchizedek.”

18 The former regulation is set aside because it was weak and useless 19 (for the law made nothing perfect), and a better hope is introduced, by which we draw near to God.​

-JGIG

I think that you simply do not understand anything in the Gospel at all. Because the purpose of Jesus Christ was the creation of one Church, and not thousands of denominations. And the whole New Testament is about this: about building a single Body of Christ. And the Temple of Ezekiel is exactly the finale of this construction, because this unity will be revealed before the eyes of all Israel and the whole world.

Therefore, I understand your answer as follows: "We are satisfied with the situation of the lack of unity in the Church, we do not consider it necessary to carry out the prophecy of Ezekiel about the Messianic Temple, in which every rite, every detail tells us about Jesus Christ - we will wait for the Antichrist." OK. I understood you.

 

[Aryeh]

I disagree totally. There is not sufficient information. It is pure surmise,

From the outside to the inner gate were chambers for the singers in the inner court, one of which was at the side of the north gate, with its front toward the south, and one at the side of the south gate facing toward the north.
He said to me, "This is the chamber which faces toward the south, intended for the priests who keep charge of the temple;
but the chamber which faces toward the north is for the priests who keep charge of the altar. These are the sons of Zadok, who from the sons of Levi come near to the LORD to minister to Him."
(Ezekiel 40:44-46)

13 Then he said to me, "The north chambers and the south chambers, which are opposite the separate area, they are the holy chambers where the priests who are near to the LORD shall eat the most holy things. There they shall lay the most holy things, the grain offering, the sin offering and the guilt offering; for the place is holy.
14 "When the priests enter, then they shall not go out into the outer court from the sanctuary without laying there their garments in which they minister, for they are holy. They shall put on other garments; then they shall approach that which is for the people."
(Ezekiel 42:13,14)

Then he brought me through the entrance, which was at the side of the gate, into the holy chambers for the priests, which faced north; and behold, there was a place at the extreme rear toward the west.
He said to me, "This is the place where the priests shall boil the guilt offering and the sin offering and where they shall bake the grain offering, in order that they may not bring them out into the outer court to transmit holiness to the people."
(Ezekiel 46:19,20)

 

[Aryeh]

yep in the air, from where we shall ever be with the Lord in the new spiritual heaven and earth (1 Thess 4.13on).

Have you ever wondered what "heaven" is from the point of view of the Bible? What exactly did God create in the first chapter of Genesis?

 

[JGIG]

I think that you simply do not understand anything in the Gospel at all. Because the purpose of Jesus Christ was the creation of one Church, and not thousands of denominations. And the whole New Testament is about this: about building a single Body of Christ. And the Temple of Ezekiel is exactly the finale of this construction, because this unity will be revealed before the eyes of all Israel and the whole world.

Unity does not necessitate uniformity.

Agreement on the core issues of the Gospel is all that is necessary - peripheral issues such as end times, baptism, dress, cultural practices, etc., are all outside the core issues, and are disputable, explaining many (not all) denominational differences.

My family is privileged to live in a community where churches of different denominations have leadership who regularly meet together for the building up of the Body and discuss how we as the Body of Christ - in the midst of our secondary differences - can reach out and love our neighbors in our community well. It's a very healthy model, and works really well.

Therefore, I understand your answer as follows: "We are satisfied with the situation of the lack of unity in the Church, we do not consider it necessary to carry out the prophecy of Ezekiel about the Messianic Temple, in which every rite, every detail tells us about Jesus Christ - we will wait for the Antichrist." OK. I understood you.

No, you really don't, sigh.

You see disunity because of denominational differences, and choose to focus on and try to 'fix' it with a carnal fulfillment of an obsolete prophecy. You seek to build something which points to Christ. I say, "He has already come! Know HIM!"

It is my observation that unity happens as believers are built up in who they are in Christ. Secondary, disputable issues fall away to appropriate levels of importance (or un-importance) and the main things become the main things again - Believe on the One God sent and love one another.

Or one can waste a lifetime pursuing a shadow of Christ Who has already come .


-JGIG

 

[Aryeh]

Unity does not necessitate uniformity.

Agreement on the core issues of the Gospel is all that is necessary - peripheral issues such as end times, baptism, dress, cultural practices, etc., are all outside the core issues, and are disputable, explaining many (not all) denominational differences.

My family is privileged to live in a community where churches of different denominations have leadership who regularly meet together for the building up of the Body and discuss how we as the Body of Christ - in the midst of our secondary differences - can reach out and love our neighbors in our community well. It's a very healthy model, and works really well.



No, you really don't, sigh.

You see disunity because of denominational differences, and choose to focus on and try to 'fix' it with a carnal fulfillment of an obsolete prophecy. You seek to build something which points to Christ. I say, "He has already come! Know HIM!"

It is my observation that unity happens as believers are built up in who they are in Christ. Secondary, disputable issues fall away to appropriate levels of importance (or un-importance) and the main things become the main things again - Believe on the One God sent and love one another.

Or one can waste a lifetime pursuing a shadow of Christ Who has already come .


-JGIG

Excellent! Then why do you with such persistence oppose the world conference of Christians, which Ezekiel's prophecy offers us? It's just our common holiday, a feast, a messianic meeting. We give the Jews a new Temple, in the name of Jesus Christ. And so that we do not have unnecessary theological disputes - on the territory of the temple complex, Ezekiel's prophecy offers us a common meal. Do not you want to have such a world picnic in the Judean desert?

 

[JGIG]

Excellent! Then why do you with such persistence oppose the world conference of Christians, which Ezekiel's prophecy offers us? It's just our common holiday, a feast, a messianic meeting. We give the Jews a new Temple, in the name of Jesus Christ. And so that we do not have unnecessary theological disputes - on the territory of the temple complex, Ezekiel's prophecy offers us a common meal. Do not you want to have such a world picnic in the Judean desert?

Tell me, what are the practices carried out in a temple of Israel?

-JGIG

 

[posthuman]

Where and when in the New Testament are believers instructed to pool huge sums of money...then travel thousands of miles across the globe...to build a structure? Where is this called for in the NT? Answer: Absolutely nowhere.

where in Ezekiel is it said that this temple should be built?

((it is not))

i do not believe that vision is an instruction to build a physical temple. if any temple is built, it should very certainly not be built by believers. we ourselves are the temple of God, being built up together as living stones, and the glory of God dwells within us. what Ezekiel saw was figurative - and any future temple would by necessity be a centerpiece of animal sacrifice, which is blasphemy against the sacrifice of Jesus Christ.

 

[posthuman]

And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Have you ever wondered in which place you will need to gather?

easy:

Then we who are alive and remain
will be caught up together with them
in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air,
and so we shall always be with the Lord.
(1 Thessalonians 4:17)

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but is it therefore incumbent on us to build a flying temple?

 

[posthuman]

our unity is in Christ and derived from Christ, not in and of a real-estate deal.

have you considered approaching the mormons?
i'm sure you can find someone over there willing to confuse Missouri with Jerusalem. in fact IIRC it's already been confused among them... ((?))
and they love to build temples. they even have prophets who say a man will sit in a temple and rule the world from it, declaring himself to be god. they all declare themselves gods. or gods-in-training at the least, god-foetuses just waiting to grow up. plus, they control more money than any other religious organization in the world other than Rome. so there you go, temple site, funding, blasphemy, antichrist, ready-to-go.

just tell them you found a gold plate that said to do what it is you want to do, or that an angel told you to do it. no need to produce proof or to have sound scriptural reasoning. i really think you'll have better luck with them than here.

 

[posthuman]

We give the Jews a new Temple, in the name of Jesus Christ.

that is not unlike giving someone a pistol or a noose

"in the name of suicide prevention"​

 

[Aryeh]

Tell me, what are the practices carried out in a temple of Israel?

-JGIG

Simply put, the Temple is the Father's House, in which His children can always come and their Father will feed them. While our flesh still needs food, in the House of the Father fry the meat of peaceful victims and prepare kebabs.

But before the Temple becomes a place to meet with the God for the Jews, this Temple should be sanctified by us, who believe in Jesus Christ. We do not need sacrificial animals - we gave ourselves to God in Jesus Christ, we brought our lives to the altar of God, what more can God want from us?

Therefore, the Temple has two different modes of operation. The first is our appearance in the Eastern Gate of the Temple, bearing in the hearts the spirit of Jesus Christ. This is a short period, 10 days. This moment in the prophecy of Ezekiel is depicted as a manifestation of the glory of the Lord.

The second period will begin later, when the Eastern Gate will be closed forever.

The second period of the Temple's work suggests that Jews come to this Temple to God, while the rites of the new Temple are changed in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel in such a way that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is already displayed in them. In the Temple there is no high priest, because Jesus is the High Priest. There is no evening sacrifice in the Temple, because Jesus accepted death in the evening. There are no sacrifices of the Passover lambs in the Temple, because Jesus Christ is the Passover Lamb. From under the threshold of the Temple, a stream of water flows, crossing the outer courtyard, therefore one who enters the southern gate is bound to go out by the northern gate, and one who enters the northern gate: Jesus Christ washes his feet.

A separate plot of Ezekiel's prophecy is what will happen when the Jews turn to Jesus Christ and accept the Temple as a gift of Messiah Yeshua. In Israel there will be a huge city, obviously, it will be a city of saints. Name of the town: Yahweh Shamah which means "The Lord is there."

I think that you yourself could read about this in the book of the prophet Ezekiel.