Should we wait for the devil, or is it time to begin building Ezekiel's Temple?

[Aryeh]

that is not unlike giving someone a pistol or a noose

"in the name of suicide prevention"​

Do you seriously think that God can give his children a snake or a stone? Jews have long been waiting for the Messiah and want to have the Temple. Why do you think that the true Messiah, Jesus Christ, does not want to give a gift to the Jews?

Read the prophecy of Ezekiel: in the temple described there is neither the Antichrist nor the "abomination of desolation."

 

[valiant]

Do you seriously think that God can give his children a snake or a stone? Jews have long been waiting for the Messiah and want to have the Temple. Why do you think that the true Messiah, Jesus Christ, does not want to give a gift to the Jews?

Read the prophecy of Ezekiel: in the temple described there is neither the Antichrist nor the "abomination of desolation."

Because the Temple was there in Ezekiel's day, a temple from God assuring them of His continued presence with them. That is why it was given in such detail but not enough detail to build it. The only mention of building was of the altar, which we learn about elsewhere.

Jesus does not want to give a gift to the Jews while they are still Jews. They are rejecting His Messiahship. And there is not one jot of evidence in the New Testament of a newly built temple.

 

[JGIG]

Simply put, the Temple is the Father's House, in which His children can always come and their Father will feed them. While our flesh still needs food, in the House of the Father fry the meat of peaceful victims and prepare kebabs.

But before the Temple becomes a place to meet with the God for the Jews, this Temple should be sanctified by us, who believe in Jesus Christ. We do not need sacrificial animals - we gave ourselves to God in Jesus Christ, we brought our lives to the altar of God, what more can God want from us?

Therefore, the Temple has two different modes of operation. The first is our appearance in the Eastern Gate of the Temple, bearing in the hearts the spirit of Jesus Christ. This is a short period, 10 days. This moment in the prophecy of Ezekiel is depicted as a manifestation of the glory of the Lord.

The second period will begin later, when the Eastern Gate will be closed forever.

The second period of the Temple's work suggests that Jews come to this Temple to God, while the rites of the new Temple are changed in accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel in such a way that the sacrifice of Jesus Christ is already displayed in them. In the Temple there is no high priest, because Jesus is the High Priest. There is no evening sacrifice in the Temple, because Jesus accepted death in the evening. There are no sacrifices of the Passover lambs in the Temple, because Jesus Christ is the Passover Lamb. From under the threshold of the Temple, a stream of water flows, crossing the outer courtyard, therefore one who enters the southern gate is bound to go out by the northern gate, and one who enters the northern gate: Jesus Christ washes his feet.

A separate plot of Ezekiel's prophecy is what will happen when the Jews turn to Jesus Christ and accept the Temple as a gift of Messiah Yeshua. In Israel there will be a huge city, obviously, it will be a city of saints. Name of the town: Yahweh Shamah which means "The Lord is there."

I think that you yourself could read about this in the book of the prophet Ezekiel.

That sounds lovely - but it is not what Ezekiel speaks of. There is clearly a priest who offers up sacrifices in Ezekiel's temple, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people:

Ezekiel 45:21-22
21 “‘In the first month on the fourteenth day you are to observe the Passover, a feast lasting seven days, during which you shall eat bread made without yeast. 22 On that day the prince is to provide a bull as a sin offering for himself and for all the people of the land.'”​

Yet you say there is no priest, but that Christ is the High Priest (a contradiction in itself). Yet the priest/prince in Ezekiel's temple is to provide a sin offering for himself. Christ is sinless. And then for the people, yet Christ was the once-for-all perfect, forever sacrifice.

5 For there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave himself as a ransom for all people. This has now been witnessed to at the proper time. (from 1 Tim. 2)
​

There is no separate way to God for the Gentile and the Jew - there is one God and one mediator between mankind and God - Christ Jesus.

The picture you paint above is at first lovely, until the reality of Christ and His work comes into view, and then the temple and its obsolescence becomes evident.

There is a better way by which we draw near to God . . . (Heb. 7)

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Do you seriously think that God can give his children a snake or a stone? Jews have long been waiting for the Messiah and want to have the Temple. Why do you think that the true Messiah, Jesus Christ, does not want to give a gift to the Jews?

Read the prophecy of Ezekiel: in the temple described there is neither the Antichrist nor the "abomination of desolation."

The gift that God gave Israel is HIMSELF.

Israel wants the temple because they have rejected the cornerstone.

-JGIG

 

[Aryeh]

Because the Temple was there in Ezekiel's day, a temple from God assuring them of His continued presence with them. That is why it was given in such detail but not enough detail to build it. The only mention of building was of the altar, which we learn about elsewhere.

Jesus does not want to give a gift to the Jews while they are still Jews. They are rejecting His Messiahship. And there is not one jot of evidence in the New Testament of a newly built temple.

In the New Testament it is said about the new Temple in Israel:

And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm. (Rev.11:19)

If the word "heaven" confuses you, then think that in general the word "heaven" or "heavenly kingdom" means in the Bible. And remember how the Bible names the place where we are today, being in Jesus Christ.

The Temple described in Ezekiel's prophecy was never built.

 

[posthuman]

Do you seriously think that God can give his children a snake or a stone? Jews have long been waiting for the Messiah and want to have the Temple.

why did the Messiah declare that not one stone of the temple would remain upon another?
and when He spoke of raising a temple, it was the temple of His body.

little boys want snakes. they think cobras are cool.
their fathers give them dogs and cats, because cobras kill.

when the veil was torn, any further sacrifice became an abomination, denying the sacrifice that the Messiah - who is come - made. so if you give the Jews a place to make abominable sacrifices, is that bread you've given them? or is it a serpent?

suppose you built them an Ashereh pole or a brazen cow to put their infants in, so they could bow to Molech. they also desired these things at one time, and God did not give these to them - but they built them for themselves. God sent His Son or them, and for us. He said that the time is come already when His true worshipers will not worship on this mountain or that one: so why do you want to build another mountain? to invite antichrist, i guess. a strange new zionism, this is! but it's not new -- people have been trying to collect money from naive sheep for a temple in Israel since the 1950's, have they not?

 

[SouthernStorm]

Greetings to all!

Forgive me, I do not speak English well, Google's translation helps me.

Many people say to me: first an exact copy of the Temple of Herod in Jerusalem must be built, then the devil will come to that temple, then Christ will kill the antichrist, and only then the Messianic Temple will be built in accordance with the prophesy of Ezekiel.

Today we have the book of the prophet Ezekiel. In this book there is an accurate description of the messianic Temple and an exact indication of the place where it should be built. In accordance with the prophecy of Ezekiel, the Temple must be built in place with coordinates 31 ° 28'58 "N 35 ° 14'37" E, this place is located in the Judean Desert, 30 kilometers south of Jerusalem, between Ein Gedi and Hebron.

How was this place determined? In the prophecy, the dimensions of the holy allotment indicated as in the reeds, and not in the cubits, as erroneously translated in many Bible translations. In depicting the wrong size of the boundaries of the sacred sites, the Messianic believers made the second mistake: they turned the measured segments by 90 degrees, because they interpreted the phrase (Ez. 48:20) "towards the north" as "from the north".

Where Ezekiel describes the process of measurement, the direction of motion measured is shown, and not the side of the light with which the measured value is located!

In the Russian translation of the Bible, these errors were not, so we immediately found the right place.

"Toward the north 25,000 cubits in length, toward the west 10,000 in width" is the length and width of a piece of land in the center of which the Temple is to be built. Any Christian can himself make these measurements in the free program of Google Earth.

There are several photos of this place on the Internet.

Between the mountain, whose height is 543 meters and the mountain, which is in the picture to the right, another photo is made:

Obviously, this is the place of Jehovah Jireh in the land of Moriah, which is mistakenly attributed to the Temple Mount, calling it Mount Moriah. Please note: in the Bible these places are named in different ways: "land of Moriah" (Gen. 22:2) and "Mount Moriah" (2nd Chron.).

Maybe it's worth trying to find Abraham's broken knife there?

If God knew everything in advance, he probably showed the stone under which Abraham had to hide the horns, hooves, skin and entrails of the sacrificial ram, and where Abraham had to destroy his knife, with which he almost killed his son. If, after 4000 years on this site should build a temple, God knew this in advance, and a place for the burial of the remains of the sacrifice and the knife could be only one: at 100 meters to the west of the altar, where the place for the remains of sacrificial animals in the future Temple.

Maybe someone thinks that now we know the place of the future temple, but do not know the structure of the temple itself? We have drawings and there is a 3d model of Ezekiel's Temple.

This is a preliminary assembly of the 3d model.

Yes, yes, of course, this is the marriage feast!

If you are interested in more detailed drawings and files 3d model, then I am ready to provide them to you. I can not guarantee that absolutely everything there correctly reflects the prophecy of Ezekiel, but the main thing there is shown correctly, therefore you can start working on the architectural implementation of this prophecy.

I do not want to go into the theological dispute about the Antichrist, the weeks of Daniel, the great tribulation, the two witnesses, and the like. I just want to ask everyone one question.

Should we wait today for the devil when he deigns to build a copy of the former Jerusalem Temple in Jerusalem, or should we turn to God with all our heart and then the book of the prophet Ezekiel will show us how and where we should build this Messianic Temple?

There can be only two answers: yes or no.

1. We must do today everything that is in our power to build the Temple, which is shown to us in the book of the prophet Ezekiel. We must carefully study this prophecy, find architects, invite archaeologists, raise money for construction, seek permission from the Israeli government for construction in the reserve zone in the Judean Desert.

2. We will wait for the devil. We'll wait until the long-awaited Antichrist finally comes, and then maybe something will happen.

Shalom Achi Aryah! I do not believe that the physical temple is going to make a difference because the physical temple is only a shadow, a typology of the real thing which is in Christ.

Galatians 4 says ~
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, you who want to be under the law, are you not aware of what the law says? [SUP]22 [/SUP]For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. [SUP]23 [/SUP]His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born as the result of a divine promise.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]These things are being taken figuratively: The women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children who are to be slaves: This is Hagar. [SUP]25 [/SUP]Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present city of Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. [SUP]26 [/SUP]But the Jerusalem that is above is free, and she is our mother. [SUP]27 [/SUP]For it is written:

“Be glad, barren woman,
you who never bore a child;
shout for joy and cry aloud,
you who were never in labor;
because more are the children of the desolate woman
than of her who has a husband.”

[SUP]28 [/SUP]Now you, brothers and sisters, like Isaac, are children of promise. [SUP]29 [/SUP]At that time the son born according to the flesh persecuted the son born by the power of the Spirit. It is the same now. [SUP]30 [/SUP]But what does Scripture say? “Get rid of the slave woman and her son, for the slave woman’s son will never share in the inheritance with the free woman’s son.” [SUP]31 [/SUP]Therefore, brothers and sisters, we are not children of the slave woman, but of the free woman.

Revelation 21:2 says ~
I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband.

Revelation 21:9 -14 says ~
9 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.” 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, 11 having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the twelve tribes of the sons of Israel were inscribed— 13 on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. 14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.

There will not be a temple found in this city because the Lord God almighty and the lamb are it's temple.

[SUP]22 [/SUP]I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. Revelation 21

If you choose to believe this, the physical temple is a shadow of our relationship with Christ as believers...

1 Corinthians 6:19-20says ~ Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies.

We believers are God's temple where the Holy Spirit dwells

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
Don’t you know that you yourselves are God’s temple and that God’s Spirit dwells in your midst?
If anyone destroys God’s temple, God will destroy that person; for God’s temple is sacred, and you together are that temple.

We are being built together on the foundations of the Apostles and the Prophets with Jesus as our chief cornerstone becoming a holy temple in which God himself dwells.

Ephesians 2:20-22
20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. 21 In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. 22 And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which God lives by his Spirit.

The whole reason that Jesus came to earth as a man was to restore what had been lost in the garden through sin and consequently death. He did this by dying on the cross as a sinless sacrifice and restoring back to Father God, all those who believe in him by faith and granting them the gift of the promised Holy Spirit [which is the Spirit of the living God] and eternal life with him forever.

The physical "Temple" is a shadow/ a picture of things to come. Blessing and Peace!

 

[Aryeh]

The gift that God gave Israel is HIMSELF.

Israel wants the temple because they have rejected the cornerstone.

-JGIG

You see, it does not really matter what the Jews want, it's important for us what God wants. God gave us the Bible. In the Bible there is a book of the prophet Ezekiel, where the Messianic Temple is described. The prophecy of Ezekiel gives a detailed description of the size of the Temple and gives instructions so that we can correctly determine its location. Ezekiel shows this to anyone who turned to God, a Jew and a Gentile, any believer in the name of Jesus Christ.

If this prophetic vision is given by God, then why do Christians so stubbornly oppose its implementation?

 

[Aryeh]

why did the Messiah declare that not one stone of the temple would remain upon another?
and when He spoke of raising a temple, it was the temple of His body.

little boys want snakes. they think cobras are cool.
their fathers give them dogs and cats, because cobras kill.

when the veil was torn, any further sacrifice became an abomination, denying the sacrifice that the Messiah - who is come - made. so if you give the Jews a place to make abominable sacrifices, is that bread you've given them? or is it a serpent?

suppose you built them an Ashereh pole or a brazen cow to put their infants in, so they could bow to Molech. they also desired these things at one time, and God did not give these to them - but they built them for themselves. God sent His Son or them, and for us. He said that the time is come already when His true worshipers will not worship on this mountain or that one: so why do you want to build another mountain? to invite antichrist, i guess. a strange new zionism, this is! but it's not new -- people have been trying to collect money from naive sheep for a temple in Israel since the 1950's, have they not?

You did not read Ezekiel.

 

[valiant]

In the New Testament it is said about the new Temple in Israel:

And the temple of God which is in heaven was opened; and the ark of His covenant appeared in His temple, and there were flashes of lightning and sounds and peals of thunder and an earthquake and a great hailstorm. (Rev.11:19)

It was a temple IN HEAVEN.

If the word "heaven" confuses you, then think that in general the word "heaven" or "heavenly kingdom" means in the Bible.

It doesn't confuse me. It is perfectly clear,

And remember how the Bible names the place where we are today, being in Jesus Christ.

Being in Christ and being in Heaven are two different things.

The Temple described in Ezekiel's prophecy was never built.

It did not need building, it descended from Heaven. Only the altar through which it was accessed was built.

It was for Ezekiel's day, not ours.

 

[valiant]

You see, it does not really matter what the Jews want, it's important for us what God wants. God gave us the Bible. In the Bible there is a book of the prophet Ezekiel, where the Messianic Temple is described. The prophecy of Ezekiel gives a detailed description of the size of the Temple and gives instructions so that we can correctly determine its location. Ezekiel shows this to anyone who turned to God, a Jew and a Gentile, any believer in the name of Jesus Christ.

If this prophetic vision is given by God, then why do Christians so stubbornly oppose its implementation?

Because it was a prophetic vision for Ezekiel's day. We oppose such an idea in the present because it is against the whole NT teaching.

 

[SouthernStorm]

You see, it does not really matter what the Jews want, it's important for us what God wants. God gave us the Bible. In the Bible there is a book of the prophet Ezekiel, where the Messianic Temple is described. The prophecy of Ezekiel gives a detailed description of the size of the Temple and gives instructions so that we can correctly determine its location. Ezekiel shows this to anyone who turned to God, a Jew and a Gentile, any believer in the name of Jesus Christ.

If this prophetic vision is given by God, then why do Christians so stubbornly oppose its implementation?

...Shalom Achi, I am a Christian believer and I am not opposed to the building of the temple. I just think it's for Israel and not for Christians. Gentile Christians [I guess you can call me that] Already have the promises given by revelation of the truth through the Holy Spirit who dwells within us. One day the veil of Moses will be taken away and then our blessed brothers will understand what we have been honored to understand these two thousand odd years, by grace through faith. Shalom xox

 

[Angela53510]

I fear the OP is sadly deluded in this quest to build a temple that is not wanted or needed. Perhaps the answer is for you to close the pages of the book of Ezekiel for a while. Then, read Hebrews 5 or 6 times. When you are done that, read the NT over and over till it sinks in.

"Jesus is our Messiah! He has fulfilled the Old Covenant sacrifices with his own blood. There is no need for a new temple. The point of the temple was 2 fold - to hold the Ark of the Covenant, which is lost in antiquity, and to have a place for God to dwell, so that his people might sacrifice to him, for their sins.

So no need for the second thing, either.

"In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe. 3 The Son is the radiance of God’s gloryand the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven. 4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs." Hebrews 1:1-4

"Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." Hebrews 4:14

"22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood.25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins,and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever." Hebrews 7:22-28

The Bible is all about following Jesus Christ, who does not need to offer sacrifices day after day. He sacrificed ONCE FOR ALL! Hallelujah! I'm afraid you do not understand the gospel! JGIG asked you several times, and you came up with corporate worship in a temple that is not supposed to be built? This is the gospel. You need Jesus Christ, not a temple! You need the Holy Spirit to come into your life, cleanse you from your sin and make you whole.

Here is the gospel! Reach for Jesus, he will be there for you! Let go of this strange obsession and compulsion you have to see a temple built, which we have no need of!

"Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved,if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve." 1 Cor. 15:1-5

Christ died for your sins! Why don't you read the New Testament (excluding Revelation, which also seems to have you confused!) and let the truth of the message of the gospel, that Jesus has already paid the price, there is no need for a physical location of a third or fourth temple! And I pray God will save you!

 

[Aryeh]

I fear the OP is sadly deluded in this quest to build a temple that is not wanted or needed. Perhaps the answer is for you to close the pages of the book of Ezekiel for a while. Then, read Hebrews 5 or 6 times. When you are done that, read the NT over and over till it sinks in.

"Jesus is our Messiah! He has fulfilled the Old Covenant sacrifices with his own blood. There is no need for a new temple. The point of the temple was 2 fold - to hold the Ark of the Covenant, which is lost in antiquity, and to have a place for God to dwell, so that his people might sacrifice to him, for their sins.

So no need for the second thing, either.

"In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways,2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.3 The Son is the radiance of God’s gloryand the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.4 So he became as much superior to the angels as the name he has inherited is superior to theirs." Hebrews 1:1-4

"Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess." Hebrews 4:14

"22 Because of this oath, Jesus has become the guarantor of a better covenant.23 Now there have been many of those priests, since death prevented them from continuing in office; 24 but because Jesus lives forever, he has a permanent priesthood.25 Therefore he is able to save completely those who come to God through him, because he always lives to intercede for them.
26 Such a high priest truly meets our need—one who is holy, blameless, pure, set apart from sinners, exalted above the heavens. 27 Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins,and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself. 28 For the law appoints as high priests men in all their weakness; but the oath, which came after the law, appointed the Son, who has been made perfect forever." Hebrews 7:22-28

The Bible is all about following Jesus Christ, who does not need to offer sacrifices day after day. He sacrificed ONCE FOR ALL! Hallelujah! I'm afraid you do not understand the gospel! JGIG asked you several times, and you came up with corporate worship in a temple that is not supposed to be built? This is the gospel. You need Jesus Christ, not a temple! You need the Holy Spirit to come into your life, cleanse you from your sin and make you whole.

Here is the gospel! Reach for Jesus, he will be there for you! Let go of this strange obsession and compulsion you have to see a temple built, which we have no need of!

"Now, brothers and sisters, I want to remind you of the gospel I preached to you, which you received and on which you have taken your stand. 2 By this gospel you are saved,if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. Otherwise, you have believed in vain.
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, 5 and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve." 1 Cor. 15:1-5

Christ died for your sins! Why don't you read the New Testament (excluding Revelation, which also seems to have you confused!) and let the truth of the message of the gospel, that Jesus has already paid the price, there is no need for a physical location of a third or fourth temple! And I pray God will save you!

I apologize, but it seems to me that you have already ejected from your Bible the book of the prophet Ezekiel, and with it also the Revelation of John.

 

[posthuman]

You did not read Ezekiel.

why do you say that? oh yes, i did, and it is not a "prophecy" -- it is a vision.
that is what the scripture explicitly states ((Ezekiel 43:3)).

and the purpose of the vision? that is also explicitly stated:

As for you, son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel,
that they may be ashamed of their iniquities;
and let them measure the plan.
(Ezekiel 43:10)

​

continuing from chapter 43, the scripture says if they are ashamed, tell them the laws of the sacrifices for sin and guilt they should make, for purifying the altar and themselves.

we ask - was Israel ashamed when Ezekiel told them what he had been shown in his vision?
well. look at history. so.


if we have overlooked it, please show us where it says "build this" . . . ?

 

[Aryeh]

why do you say that? oh yes, i did, and it is not a "prophecy" -- it is a vision.
that is what the scripture explicitly states ((Ezekiel 43:3)).

and the purpose of the vision? that is also explicitly stated:

As for you, son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel,
that they may be ashamed of their iniquities;
and let them measure the plan.
(Ezekiel 43:10)

​

continuing from chapter 43, the scripture says if they are ashamed, tell them the laws of the sacrifices for sin and guilt they should make, for purifying the altar and themselves.

we ask - was Israel ashamed when Ezekiel told them what he had been shown in his vision?
well. look at history. so.


if we have overlooked it, please show us where it says "build this" . . . ?

It seems that you do not consider yourself Israel.
The apostle Paul considered the Gentiles, who had God's law in their hearts, that they are Jews.

If the dimensions of something are given in the Bible, then why? If for you it is described in detail how it is necessary to sanctify the Temple, which has never been before, then why? Do not dissemble: this vision is a prophecy, like the rest of the Bible, all the books of the Old and New Testaments.

Christians read the "Epistle to the Hebrews," why should one read what is written for the Jews? And if a message is written to the Romans, what relation does this have to those living today in Russia or in America? However, we understand: this is written to us, for us. Why do you want to reject the book of the prophet Ezekiel? But you seem to just want to exclude Ezekiel from the books of your personal Bible.

Why do you not like Ezekiel? Does it contradict your theology? Change your theological model, because there is clearly something wrong in it. The Bible is all true. The book of the prophet Ezekiel is given to us as a prophecy and requires fulfillment if it is not yet fulfilled.

​

 

[Issachar92]

Furthermore, Ezekiel's Temple was a proposal by God to Israel: "If you, then this." Israel never took God up on the deal. Therefore it is not prophecy yet to be fulfilled, but an opportunity which has long since passed.

great post i gave a like, But could you show scripture for this "If you, then this" part?
This is a thing that has boggled my mind for a while, how could there be animal sacrifices when Jesus already paid the price.
So if you can point to me a scripture where this temple is an OFFER to Israel i'd greatly appreciate it, may the Holy Spirit lead us to all truth regarding this

 

[prove-all]

The future temple of which Ezekiel prophesied will have water flowing
out of the altar (Ezekiel 47:1-5). The Fountain of Eternal Life

Ezekiel describes the water flowing eastward from the temple and rising
continually until it becomes a river too large to pass over.

God’s Holy Spirit will bring life spiritually (verse 9). Everything will live
as God intended from the beginning. That will impact the entire Earth!

God’s truth will fill the entire world like the ocean beds are filled with water
(Isaiah 11:9; Habakkuk 2:14).

“And by the river upon the bank thereof, on this side and on that side, shall grow all
trees for meat … because theirwaters they issued out of the sanctuary: and the fruit
thereof shall be for meat, and the leaf thereof for medicine” (Ezekiel47:12).

God’s Holy Spirit will spiritually heal people of human nature and wrongful thinking.
People will also be healed of physical problems. It is a dual healing, spiritual and physical.

And notice: The water will flow right out of the holy of holies in that millennial temple!
The whole world is going to be healed! “The waters must spring up within the temples
to symbolize the fountain of life that is associated with God’s dwelling in heaven.”
Those waters are a symbol of the fountain of eternal life.

“Ezekiel saw water (spring waters) ushering forth from the holy place that went out the
right side of the altar of burnt offerings and unto the Dead Sea to make those acrid waters
clean and fresh.” There won’t be burnt offerings in Ezekiel’s temple.

The prophecy is talking about the spiritual sacrifices going on at the temple.

“In Gilgal, the first site of the tabernacle in the Holy Land, there were the springs from
Jericho that supplied an abundance of water,”

“When the tabernacle was at Shiloh (from the times of Joshua to Samuel), there was a
natural spring that supplied water to the temple, the city, and the surrounding area.”
Jerusalem only has one fresh water source: the Gihon Spring.

This spring must be special to God. It’s where Zadok anointed Solomon king (1 Kings 1:38-39)
Water from same spring flowed within the walls of the temples that Solomon and Zerubbabel built.

Josephus wrote about how, in the tabernacle in the wilderness, the priests in Israel purified
themselves in spring waters. Sothere is always a spring associated with the sanctuary.

David placed the ark of the covenant directly over the Gihon Spring. The ark is a symbol
of God’s throne. That wasthe place from which God ruled the Israelites on Earth.
God’s throne on this Earth was right over the Gihon Spring!

“David also made it clear that there was a fountain, or a spring, within the precincts
of the holy temple in heaven, and there was also a fountain (a spring) positioned in
the replica of God’s house in Jerusalem.

David related these things in his psalms, when the ‘house of the Lord’ was reckoned
to be the tent of the ark located at the Gihon Spring. That special sanctuary for the
ark remained at the Gihon for 38 years.”

Psalm 68:24, 26, “They have seen thy goings, O God; even the goings of my God,
my King, in the sanctuary. … Bless ye God in the congregations, even the Lord, from
the fountain of Israel.” God’s sanctuary was by a spring. The blessings came from
the fountain of Israel. That’s where the sanctuary was.
“The earthly symbol for this fountain was the Gihon Spring.”
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Eusebius Aristeas described the temple before the first coming of Christ: “There is
an inexhaustiblereservoir of water, as would be expected from anabundant spring
gushing up naturally from within.” Aristeasstated the Gihon Spring was the only
spring within five miles of Jerusalem. The location of the spring made Jerusalem
the site of the earliest settlement in the area.

Both Aristeas and Tacitus state clearly there was a natural spring within the precincts
of the temple. Accounts and the geographical facts of the area disqualify the Dome of
the Rock as being the site of the temples of Solomon and Zerubbabel.

Isaiah 8:5-6 speak of “the waters of Shiloah that go softly,”meaning water from the Gihon
Spring. This probably is a referenceto the Siloam Channel. It is all a type of God’s Work

Isaiah 12:3 talks about the “water … of the wells of salvation.”The spring is a symbol of
the very salvation of GOD bubbling up from His throne! God is “the fountain of living waters”
(Jeremiah 17:13).

 

[posthuman]

Lol @ accusing a dude with a figure of living dry bones in supplicant that he "doesn't like Ezekiel"

 

[prove-all]

Jesus does not want to give a gift to the Jews while they are still Jews.
They are rejecting His Messiahship. And there is not one jot of evidence
in the New Testament of a newly built temple.

If I forget you, O Jerusalem, let my right hand wither!
Let my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth, if I do not remember you,
if I do not set Jerusalem above my highest joy! (Psalm 137:5-6)

The author of this Psalm pronounced a curse on himself
if he forgot Jerusalem and God’s purpose for that great city.



The whole world will revolve around Jerusalem in the Millennium.
The Eternal has chosen Jerusalem. Scripture reveals that He is
about to come and sit on David’s throne in Jerusalem forever!




Revelation 11:15 (KJV)

And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying,
Thekingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.


[h=3]Daniel 7:22[/h]

Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints
of the most High;and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.


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[h=3]Daniel 7:18[/h]

But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom,
and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.


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[h=3]Daniel 7:27[/h]

And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven,
shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting
kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.​

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