TRIBULATION LIE

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valiant

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So you are saying that the First Resurrection has already occurred?

you realize that, don't you?
That is what the Bible teaches.

and you identify the First Resurrection as CHRIST's RESURRECTION and all those who benefitted by the preaching of THE GOSPEL who believed as those who have a part in the First Resurrection?
correct. The resurrection of Christ and His saints.

so those souls under the altar are made up of all those who believed who died in THE LORD?
all those who believed to that point in time.
 

miknik5

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That is what the Bible teaches.



correct. The resurrection of Christ and His saints.



all those who believed to that point in time.
So you say that GOD's WORD teaches the resurrection already occurred?

Did the resurrection occur during Paul's time as soon as CHRIST was raised?
 

valiant

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So you say that GOD's WORD teaches the resurrection already occurred?

Did the resurrection occur during Paul's time as soon as CHRIST was raised?
The spiritual resurrection has been occurring through history. It is described in Eph 2.5-6. See also John 5.25.
 

miknik5

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The spiritual resurrection has been occurring through history. It is described in Eph 2.5-6. See also John 5.25.
Paul instructed spiritual believers correct? (Paul never addressed those outside the BODY because he did not, as he said have the right to judge those outside the BODY

Therefore any letter written in THE WORD of GOD by Paul is addressed to believers... those who as you say were already spiritually resurrected
 

miknik5

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I have thought deeply and long :) I once held your view, but I realised it was unscriptural :)



??? It lines up exactly



the one spoken of as the Great Tribulation, yes.



LOL you say so
So we are allowed to judge NOW?
 

miknik5

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You say that the 1000 year reign is happening now and those who have a part in the First Resurrection are those who are believers. Those who have been spiritually resurrected

If that is TRUTH than what is written in Revelation regarding HIS CHURCH forewarning them to overcome has already happened and those who have overcome are already sitting with HIM judging

Are your words better than GOD's WORD?

And are you somehow more informed than Paul who instructed Timothy to disregard those who say the Resurrection had already occurred

Or would you say that Paul and Timothy were not part of the First Resurrection?
 
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miknik5

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So you say the first resurrection has occurred andvthst is ehst the Bible teaches?

Yet THE WORD of GOD (The Bible) states Paul instructed Timothy otherwise

2 Timothy 2:18
 

Bladerunner

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:confused:

Could you explain this further?

:)

It appears that you have taken words out of a post want someone to explain them...... I guess , this is just you... a (partial) preterist at the very least. If you want me to attempt to explain it,,,please give me the post# you got it from.
 

Bladerunner

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The one we are in right now. It started 70 A.D. It ends in the future. It will be "shortened" in the future. The worst is yet to come.

:)

hey that is the first truthful statement I have heard you make.The worst is yet to come.
 
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The 1000 yr. millienium is for the restoration of the earth as promised in the book of Isaiah.
 

Bladerunner

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Yes I was wondering about that too. Why it's overlooked that a man will live to 100 and be considered a child And if anyone die during this particular time it would be because of their sin

necausevinnthat day, the kniefgebof the lord will cover the earth as the waters of the seas and all will say one to another, cone let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, HE will teach us HIS ways. And also, if anyone ever again prophecies , "the LORD says", his own parents will "run him through" because he has lied

all these things will not happen UNTIL after the false christ and false prophet are defeated and Satan in bound for 1000 years

For had Satan been bound up now for ALL me (as Valiant has suggested) ALL MEN WOULD KNOW THE LORD and there would be no need to "teach another man, know THE LORD"
The lord throws Satan into the bottomless pit and locks it shut for 1000 years. WHY? not just throw him in the lake of fire like he die the antichrist and false prophet.

To take away from man the ability to say it was because the 'devil made me do it' during the last 1000 years. for the evil man there will be no place to hid. For the unbelieving person, they will die at age 100. And once Satan is loosed, He (satan0 will gather those (like to day) that chose to not believe the whole truth. Another Gog/Magog offense against Jerusalem..Only this time, God , the Father will kill all of them and put Satan in the lake of FiRE.

 

Bladerunner

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If you mean me that is totally untrue. We will all endure tribulation. But NOT the great tribulation spoken of by Matthew.


I will not endure either of them,,,,will be with the Lord in Heaven.
 

Jimbone

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This needs to be addressed because this particular poster is suggesting that tribulation will only come in Jerusalem on the Jewish people and no one else will be effected
So are you saying it is an issue worth dividing the body for? Is that what you are saying? I agree truth is of the upmost, but do you really think arguing and calling each others faith into question is going to lead anyone to truth? We should come together as brothers and discuss these things in love with one another. Are you suggesting otherwise? What EXACTLY were you "correcting" me on?
 

miknik5

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So are you saying it is an issue worth dividing the body for? Is that what you are saying? I agree truth is of the upmost, but do you really think arguing and calling each others faith into question is going to lead anyone to truth? We should come together as brothers and discuss these things in love with one another. Are you suggesting otherwise? What EXACTLY were you "correcting" me on?
We're in THE BODY if GOD opened the eyes and ears of our heart to THE GOSPEL
But we were called to witness to THE TRUTH

And to say that there is no tribulation. That this has already occurred, that Satan is bound up...that tribulation is a local event in jerusalem which will only come upon the Jews, is not truth

its no different than preaching "peace, peace"

When "peace, peace" is only for those who have fled to THE REFUGE

Those outside are outside and don't even know it
 
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Locutus

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The "millennium" ended in 70 AD, the first fruits (144,000) of revelation received the gospel during the 1st century:

Dey is here:


Jas 1:1 James, a bond-servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, To the twelve tribes who are dispersed abroad: Greetings.
 

Jimbone

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We're in THE BODY if GOD opened the eyes and ears of our heart to THE GOSPEL
But we were called to witness to THE TRUTH

And to say that there is no tribulation. That this has already occurred, that Satan is bound up...that tribulation is a local event in jerusalem which will only come upon the Jews, is not truth

its no different than preaching "peace, peace"

When "peace, peace" is only for those who have fled to THE REFUGE

Those outside are outside and don't even know it
Oh, I see, as long as they agree with YOUR view there can be peace. If not fight and divide? Again I NEVER suggested that we should ever compromise truth, ever. What I'm saying is going about it like you are is pointless. Again I feel you are try to "teach me" something that I didn't get wrong. You want to be right so bad that you won't even see that I agree with you. My only point I think you will have a better time showing some one your point if you come at them in love rather than by questioning their faith like was done pages back. You can be saved and believe wrong about the timing of the rapture, and you can and should debate each other and search the scripture to see what's true "TOGETHER". never have I even suggested compromising truth for this, I'm only saying that you will get that truth across better in love rather than trying to be a know it all teacher trying to correct people on things they don't even say. If you come back at me one more time trying to correct me on something you made up I am going to just dust my feet off and move on. I KNOW and AGREE truth is of the upmost importance, and is our foundation, but the methods, for example how you have been coming at me here, is pointless, against the fruit of the Spirit, and only serves to feed your own ego. I really hope you can see that you have no reason to correct or rebuke me, and I have not said what you are trying to correct me on. I'm saying we are commanded to teach these things in love, not conflict. If you don't agree with that then we can just agree to disagree and good luck on getting the whole world to agree with you by "teaching them" how see it like you do, or division.
 
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miknik5

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Oh, I see, as long as they agree with YOUR view there can be peace. If not fight and divide? Again I NEVER suggested that we should ever compromise truth, ever. What I'm saying is going about it like you are is pointless. Again I feel you are try to "teach me" something that I didn't get wrong. You want to be right so bad that you won't even see that I agree with you. My only point I think you will have a better time showing some one your point if you come at them in love rather than by questioning their faith like was done pages back. You can be saved and believe wrong about the timing of the rapture, and you can and should debate each other and search the scripture to see what's true "TOGETHER". never have I even suggested compromising truth for this, I'm only saying that you will get that truth across better in love rather than trying to be a know it all teacher trying to correct people on things they don't even say. If you come back at me one more time trying to correct me on something you made up I am going to just dust my feet off and move on. I KNOW and AGREE truth is of the upmost importance, and is our foundation, but the methods, for example how you have been coming at me here, is pointless, against the fruit of the Spirit, and only serves to feed your own ego. I really hope you can see that you have no reason to correct or rebuke me, and I have not said what you are trying to correct me on. I'm saying we are commanded to teach these things in love, not conflict. If you don't agree with that then we can just agree to disagree and good luck on getting the whole world to agree with you by "teaching them" how see it like you do, or division.
meaning what sir? Stop posting here and bringing up the scriptures which contradict the TRUBULATION LIE?

And calling those who are doing that , judging one's faith?
 

miknik5

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And no

you don't see

you assume and you judge something that you don't see