TRIBULATION LIE

[Rondonmon]

and who are you to say someone is in left field?




good on you. I have been a trained preacher for sixty five years.



well not quite accurate, but I agree much of it was abut John's time



Those two statements are contradictory




Jesus said it for one. It was the Roman armies with their standards gathered against Jerusalem



I guess Jesus got it wrong then. Only Matt 24 of the three mentions the A of D and Jesus placed it squarely within a generation of His passing. I used to believe Scofield when young but I sorted out his errors.

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or maybe right understanding of the Bible.?



well you're wrong again

I noticed you didn't answer my reply. Whats wrong. I proved the Abomination of Desolation is a future event.....nothing but crickets? LOL

 

[miknik5]

the 144000 (12 x 12 x 1000) are the sealed church of Jesus Christ as numbered before God (see 21). Before men they are a number which no man can number,

You only answered one part of the wuestion


herw are the remaining two questions

where are they preaching and more importantly what and why are they preaching

and another question, to whom are they preaching?

These sre HOS elect?

the

 

[miknik5]

the rest of the dead (the unsaved) were dead until the (second) resurrection, the physical resurrection. They have no part in the first (spiritual) resurrection

Where do you place
David
Job

and now,

the 144,000

are they saved?


Do they have a part in the first or the second resurrection?

 

[miknik5]

Man I also wanted to add that I agree that this is NOT an issue to divide on, these things can be talked about in love TOGETHER, I agree with everyone on that, and do not agree with being "ugly" to each other over these matters. We have enough to fight about over grace (<--joke, but true), the timing of the rapture should not cause argument, debate in love sure, but if you take things personally and start questioning each others faith over it then its way too much.

This needs to be addressed because this particular poster is suggesting that tribulation will only come in Jerusalem on the Jewish people and no one else will be effected

 

[miknik5]

You only answered one part of the wuestion


herw are the remaining two questions

where are they preaching and more importantly what and why are they preaching

and another question, to whom are they preaching?

These sre HOS elect?

the

Correction Valiant

These who are preaching. Would you consider them HIS elect?

 

[valiant]

This needs to be addressed because this particular poster is suggesting that tribulation will only come in Jerusalem on the Jewish people and no one else will be effected

If you mean me that is totally untrue. We will all endure tribulation. But NOT the great tribulation spoken of by Matthew.

 

[valiant]

I noticed you didn't answer my reply. Whats wrong. I proved the Abomination of Desolation is a future event.....nothing but crickets? LOL

well you have it wrong. The abomination mentioned by Jesus came on Jerusalem in 70 ad.

 

[PrynceNY]

well you have it wrong. The abomination mentioned by Jesus came on Jerusalem in 70 ad.

Once we are all before the lord and he tells you what people have been telling you repeatedly i want to see your reaction lol.

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by valiant

the 144000 (12 x 12 x 1000) are the sealed church of Jesus Christ as numbered before God (see 21). Before men they are a number which no man can number,

You only answered one part of the question

herw are the remaining two questions

where are they preaching and more importantly what and why are they preaching

they are preaching in John's time and through the ages. They are preaching the Gospel. That men might be saved

and another question, to whom are they preaching?

All who will hear,

These are HIS elect?

yep

 

[valiant]

Once we are all before the lord and he tells you what people have been telling you repeatedly i want to see your reaction lol.

He will congratulate me on discerning the truth.

 

[valiant]

Correction Valiant

These who are preaching. Would you consider them HIS elect?

of course, who else?

 

[PrynceNY]

He will congratulate me on discerning the truth.

He'll give you an E for effort then will reveal the actual truth to you

 

[valiant]

Where do you place
David

one of God's elect.

Job

one of God's elect,

and now,

the 144,000

are they saved?

they are God's elect

Do they have a part in the first or the second resurrection?

in both the spiritual and the physical lol

 

[Rondonmon]

well you have it wrong. The abomination mentioned by Jesus came on Jerusalem in 70 ad.

Well,no I don't and my post proved you wrong, WITH Scriptures. Your quip is just a quip, backed up with nothing.

 

[valiant]

Valiant, you need to think about what you are preaching

I have thought deeply and long I once held your view, but I realised it was unscriptural

it is not lining up to THE TRUTH of this present age ministry of preaching THE GOSPEL to all men

??? It lines up exactly

for if you think the tribulation will not touch any other man but the physical jew

the one spoken of as the Great Tribulation, yes.

You are wrong

LOL you say so

 

[valiant]

Well,no I don't and my post proved you wrong, WITH Scriptures. Your quip is just a quip, backed up with nothing.

You have no backing in Scripture and you did not prove me wrong.

 

[valiant]

Valiant,
initially when I began to speak with you, in your first post to me you said something to the effect that you don't know or haven't studied revelation

you are mistaken. I have written a commentary on it.

And yet, here you are offering what? who taught you

Many years study and the Holy Spirit.

You aren't in line to ALL the scriptures

No it is you who ignore what you do not understand

 

[valiant]

He was bound correct?

I have Jesus authority for it

so then we don't have to concern ourselves with what is said in revelation concerning all those who were found worshipping both the beast and the dragon who gave his power to the beast. Cause "the dragon" is already bound? (Revelation 13 )

He is still fearsome, but his power is restrained. If he was not GOD HELP US.

In which case sir you are preaching "peace". And that no man in this coming period of time will be deceived in receiving the wrong mark

peace to God's people. The mark of the beast has been around for 2000 years. It is unbelief and idolatry

 

[valiant]

Christ 1000 year reign isn't happening now, idk what doctrine you follow but he is also reigning on earth during that period. We can just agree to disagree.

The Bible knows nothing of a reign on earth. He is reigning OVER the earth. We will have to agree to disagree until the Holy Spirit enlightens you as He enlightened me

 

[valiant]

Valiant also thinks HE is currently reigning in Heaven 1000 years (a very long time, mind you) with the SOULS under the altar

Under the altar means that they are saved and under the blood of Christ.