Christ takes you to heaven on one confession

[PeterJens]

Here is a real evangelistic summary of the gospel.


[video=youtube;uKi2k6x7tuw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKi2k6x7tuw[/video]

 

[PeterJens]

I would also add scripture as our primary source of knowledge and authority.
Ones conscience and living righteously in Gods power and grace.

You then have theological beliefs such as the trinity etc.

 

[blue_ladybug]

You don't believe in the Trinity? Seriously??

I would also add scripture as our primary source of knowledge and authority.
Ones conscience and living righteously in Gods power and grace.

You then have theological beliefs such as the trinity etc.

 

[Grace777x70]

This is the anti-Christ system belief that has entered the world and the church minds. We are still eating from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil instead of eating from Christ Himself - who is a symbol of the tree of Life.

Oppps...got that backwards - the tree of Life is the symbol or type of Christ ...Christ Himself is the real substance of all things....sorry about that folks!

 

[PeterJens]

This raises the interesting point, believing in Christ and not the trinity? Is this possible?
For me no, but for some maybe.

It goes to show you a simple declaration of faith is just not simple.
Why do we have scripture, because we need to walk to get to know our King.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Imagine your theology says, one confession of faith, that is enough to be born again.

The thief on the cross.
"Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."
"Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."


Now in this one case this declaration was enough for salvation.


So how much of a belief or confession does it take to enter heaven?

It appears to me that your use of the word "confession" means that a person repeats some words he or she hears. Is that what you mean when you talk about "one confession of faith" or "how much of a ... confession does it take to enter heaven"?


What is your definition of "confession"?


Thanks.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

And once spoken are you seal forever?

Again, I’d like to know your definition of “confession” .


And I believe once sealed by the Holy Spirit, yes, you are sealed forever.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

Or is it more than just a confession?

Romans 10:

9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!

16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?

17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.



Confess with your mouth / believe in your heart (vs 9). Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God (vs 17).


And I still would be interested in your definition of "confess / confession".

 

[PeterJens]

It appears to me that your use of the word "confession" means that a person repeats some words he or she hears. Is that what you mean when you talk about "one confession of faith" or "how much of a ... confession does it take to enter heaven"?

What is your definition of "confession"?

Thanks.

I lead prayers in our church. Someone described my praying as speaking to God.
What this meant is I addressed God as the person I was speaking to and brought the
issues with a sincere heart before Him.

This is confession, speaking words that are true from our hearts.
But I wonder how many see this also, or just take a few words to mean more than
they should.

 

[Ariel82]

Imagine your theology says, one confession of faith, that is enough to be born again.

The thief on the cross.
"Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."
"Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

Now in this one case this declaration was enough for salvation.

So how much of a belief or confession does it take to enter heaven?
And once spoken are you seal forever?

If this is true, we could do a universal sales drive, getting people to believe and
say the words, and hay, fill heaven with eternal saved people.

Or is it more than just a confession?

I ask this because it strikes me some would have us believe, one statement is
enough.

I hold that our hearts need to be open, and accept Christ in with all we are.
This will show itself with words and statements, and if this position is kept
abiding in fellowship and faith with our Lord, then salvation is real today.

One statement from the inner most heart is enough to show the transforming power God has upon His children.

I believe in eternal security in Christ.

He chastens His children, but He will always love them with agape love.

Nothing we do or will do will every buy God's love and acceptance. God's love is a gift given by the grace of God accepted by our faith in God and His promises.

 

[Ariel82]

So you have managed to say, an unbeliever can go from being not in the Kingdom
into the Kingdom by one statement of faith, and believing what?
That Jesus was risen from the dead? Nothing more, just this.

And Jesus could be Jesus who lives down the road from me, or Jesus who
was a friend to that guy, long time ago, messiah or something.

No that Jesus is Lord and Savior. He died on the cross for my sins and rose again in the third day and ascended into Heaven. He sends His holy spirit so we might be born again Children of God and be lead by Him.

Faith in that Gospel truth....why are you creating strawmen?

Folks have been clearly and from the heart presenting Gospel truths...

 

[Ariel82]

So I am Gengis Khan. I have just butched half a village.
I am about to set off and butcher another load of people.

I make the declaration of faith and off I go.
What is stopping me from just doing what I have always been doing?
He really believes Christ was a good guy, the Messiah, has saved His soul.

What more is there to it?

The Holy Spirit conviction of sin and true repentance and being born again....

 

[Ariel82]

So someone comes to faith in a guy Jesus.
Is this like a mascot you hang around your neck, or a talisman to ward off evil spirits?

Get a cross and hang it round you neck and say a few words everytime you are worried.
Maybe you should get the priest to spinkle you with holy water or go into a special
church with incense burning, and get the vibes.

Maybe listen to a really spiritual preacher and just do everything they tell you.

Or maybe go on your way and never think about God again.

That is making an idol and naming it Jesus, not having a true relationship with Christ....still reading thread and hoping you have a point to these scenarios....

 

[Ariel82]

so you are wondering about CHRIST taking us to Heaven but you are wanting and suggesting "another way"?

that is denying THE WAY

Do you realize that?

I think he is presenting case studies and scenarios...we Do it for wilderness first aid training for boy scouts.


We ask the kids if this happened, how would you respond?

For example two people are at the bottom of a ravine and the creek is rising, what should you do?

One is unconcious and the other has a broken leg. You have to move them or they will drown. How do you do it?

Practice drills, etc.
.hopefully they will never have to face those scenerios, but if they do they can remain calm and know what is the,next option to help keep everyone alive and healthy.

So far, it seems to me is saying, if you encounter these type of people, how would you preach the gospel to them? How would you lead them to Christ?

 

[Ariel82]

It's just not profitable to engage with PeterJens and/or his other moniker mj007.

Then why do you continue to engage and post on his thread?

 

[Ariel82]

Here is a real evangelistic summary of the gospel.


[video=youtube;uKi2k6x7tuw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKi2k6x7tuw[/video]

This is an awesome video.

I pray people will stop bickering long enough to actually listen to it.

Thanks for sharing it with us.

God bless and keep you.

 

[reneweddaybyday]

I lead prayers in our church. Someone described my praying as speaking to God.
What this meant is I addressed God as the person I was speaking to and brought the
issues with a sincere heart before Him.

This is confession, speaking words that are true from our hearts.
But I wonder how many see this also, or just take a few words to mean more than
they should.

The reason I asked about your definition of "confession" is because in Rom 10:9-10, the word "confession" is the Greek word homologeō and it means "to say the same thing as another, to agree with". The "another" we are to agree with in order to be saved is God.


So let's look at Rom 10:9-10:


That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hat raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.


What does it mean to "confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus"?

Does that mean someone can just say the words "Jesus is Lord"?

Anyone can mouth the words "Jesus is Lord". But what does that verse in the context really tell us?


The context within which the verse sits talks about "how shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?" (Rom 10:14). And in vs 17 so then faith cometh by hearing and hearing by the word of God.


So for a person to "confess" (agree with God) that Jesus is Lord, he or she must have heard through someone proclaiming to him or her the truth of God's Word concerning Jesus Christ being Lord, the Messiah spoken of in God's Word.

Once that truth is heard and it reaches the heart of the person being spoken to, God brings increase to the person's heart to the point where he/she believes God raised Jesus Christ from the dead.


At that point, the person becomes born again ... sealed with that holy spirit of promise just as shown in Eph 1.


Ephesians 1:13-14 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.


We "hear" ... we "believe" ... we are "sealed".


That holy Spirit of promise is the earnest of our inheritance. The word "earnest" is the Greek word arrabōn which means "advance-payment that guarantees the rest will be given" and represents "full security backed by the purchaser who supplies sufficient proof they will fulfill the entire pledge (promise)".


Who is the Purchaser?


Is there any doubt in your mind that the Purchaser will fulfill that which He guaranteed (pledged)?

 

[PeterJens]

The Holy Spirit conviction of sin and true repentance and being born again....

It is amazing how little conviction of sin has been mentioned.
It is like sin is not an issue that comes to mind yet it is the most common
issue in church. Maybe something is missing in the contributors?

Why are they so slow? Have they arrived and the whole world is saved or
maybe so defeated why talk about the victor!

Maybe they actually do not believe at all in the sense I know.
It sometimes feels like wolves are prowling to destroy anyone
who might get close. The antagonism is puzzling if the same love
dwells within us all.

 

[Ariel82]

Ever fight with your brothers or sisters, Peter?

Folks here got nothing on them. They know exactly what hurts the most, yet I know they still love me at the end of the day.

I don't see wolves.

Most just didn't get what you were trying to do.

However, you calling them wolves will just make folks mad.

When they might have apologized and made peace for labeling you a works salvationist...

If you don't see your part in the bickering (own that you labeling and falsely accusing people as wrong and repent), it will never stop.

I know you are a brother in Christ. Sometimes you say things that strike me as strange and sometimes we just don't agree, but we talk about it and see what the other person means.

You have called me some weird things as well over our cinversation, but I am secure enough in my relationship with God to know you are mistaken.

While I choose to ignore what you call me and forgive you for it, I have to object when you imply it about my brothers and sisters as a whole.

Truthfully, I only see one poster in this thread I don't know if I would call a brother in Christ. Mainly because I dont know what he believes.

There are some I do consider wolves and false teachers on this forum but surprisingly they don't bother you much. Most have been banned, but come back under a new screen name.

 

[mailmandan]

I hear ya....point being....it is a simple thing and FOOLISH thing with God that men should be and can be saved by preaching and believing....and at the end of the day.....it is a simple process and requires a child like faith.....I suppose at the end of the day with God everything is simple.....hah

That salvation is by grace through faith and is not by works (Ephesians 2:8,9) is not hard to understand. It's just hard for works salvationists to ACCEPT.