Christ takes you to heaven on one confession

[PeterJens]

He would go to the same hot tormenting hell as those who think they are saved by their works and goodness.

p4t - Why is he going to hell? What has he done wrong?

I am assuming he knows nothing more than the words you supply, no bible, no culture
no background, no theology, no morality, no understanding unless you provide it.
He lives in total darkness. What does he need to be saved or condemned?

 

[miknik5]

p4t - Why is he going to hell? What has he done wrong?

I am assuming he knows nothing more than the words you supply, no bible, no culture
no background, no theology, no morality, no understanding unless you provide it.
He lives in total darkness. What does he need to be saved or condemned?

Because just as it is written, there will be a day when all will hear the voice of the son of GOD and rise to be judged according to their works


these are those who did not have a part in the first resurrection


and...if their names are not found in the book of life, they will not rise to life


John 5 and Revelation 20

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Imagine your theology says, one confession of faith, that is enough to be born again.

The thief on the cross.
"Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."
"Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise."

Now in this one case this declaration was enough for salvation.

So how much of a belief or confession does it take to enter heaven?
And once spoken are you seal forever?

If this is true, we could do a universal sales drive, getting people to believe and
say the words, and hay, fill heaven with eternal saved people.

Or is it more than just a confession?

I ask this because it strikes me some would have us believe, one statement is
enough.

I hold that our hearts need to be open, and accept Christ in with all we are.
This will show itself with words and statements, and if this position is kept
abiding in fellowship and faith with our Lord, then salvation is real today.

It's the argument, isn't it?
Some say it is possible to put your hand to the plow and then turn back.
Others say it is impossible to put your hand to the plow and then turn back.
I believe plow up the hard ground of your heart is ongoing.
I believe abiding is ongoing.
I believe abiding to the end is necessary.
It's not easy. There is struggle.
A man who says if I am struggling I'm in works makes me doubt that he's begun to plow past the first row. I don't doubt that he's "saved," I just think if there has been no struggle and prayer over what is in him, no hunger for righteousness in his inner man, his heart, then he has stopped running his race and has sat down for a spell.

 

[preacher4truth]

p4t - Why is he going to hell? What has he done wrong?

Neither trusted Christ, neither are saved.

I am assuming...

Yes, we know, you assume the worst of all others.

What does he need to be saved or condemned?

They both need to believe.

 

[miknik5]

So someone comes to faith in a guy Jesus.
Is this like a mascot you hang around your neck, or a talisman to ward off evil spirits?

Get a cross and hang it round you neck and say a few words everytime you are worried.
Maybe you should get the priest to spinkle you with holy water or go into a special
church with incense burning, and get the vibes.

Maybe listen to a really spiritual preacher and just do everything they tell you.

Or maybe go on your way and never think about God again.

so you are wondering about CHRIST taking us to Heaven but you are wanting and suggesting "another way"?

that is denying THE WAY

Do you realize that?

 

[PeterJens]

Because just as it is written, there will be a day when all will hear the voice of the son of GOD and rise to be judged according to their works

these are those who did not have a part in the first resurrection

and...if their names are not found in the book of life, they will not rise to life

John 5 and Revelation 20

So there is a book you are referring to. Whose book is this and how does it relate to
being saved?

God will judge the works? But all these guys works are pretty good, or he thinks so, and
heaven is certainly a nice place to go, or so the brochure he has been given says.

What is this God like then?

 

[valiant]

The dilemma is there are many who say these words, even repeat them in
churches but do not believe them or have faith in them.

But did they ever TRULY believe. It is more than just recognising a fact.

There are also atheists who once said these words but would now deny them.

well??? if they remain so (apart from a temporary blip) we can be sure they did not truly believe,

Are they lost or just temporally deranged?

some one, some the other. But the first never knew Him. The latter will return through chastening,.

And I have sincerely said all these things, yet people has disowned me from knowing Christ at all.

that is not for me to judge.

 

[preacher4truth]

And I have sincerely said all these things, yet people has disowned me from knowing Christ at all.

This is so laughable! You've referred to many on this forum as lost, including myself several times, and you're crying for reaping what you've sown?

 

[PeterJens]

Neither trusted Christ, neither are saved.
Yes, we know, you assume the worst of all others.
They both need to believe.

Fighting words, lol.
This guy only has a name, that is all. How can he trust a name or reject a name.
It could be Bill, or Paul, or Michael. Is he going to be judged for not knowing a name?

You could fill a church with people who know a name and it is still just a church full of
people who know a name and nothing more.

So what is it that saves them? Just a phrase someone says is important? But who says
it is important? By what authority and who is the reference of this authority?

 

[preacher4truth]

Hey brothers and sisters, here is what the OP is doing:

Probably best to just leave him to himself.

 

[blue_ladybug]

Grace and faith saves us. Seriously, you ought to know this by now..

 

[dcontroversal]

I am the Lord thy God I change NOT

God is no respecter of persons....

One confession of faith was sufficient for the thief
One confession of faith is sufficient for ALL

It pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to SAVE them that BELIEVE

END of story!

 

[miknik5]

So there is a book you are referring to. Whose book is this and how does it relate to
being saved?

God will judge the works? But all these guys works are pretty good, or he thinks so, and
heaven is certainly a nice place to go, or so the brochure he has been given says.

What is this God like then?

You have no desire to know THE TRUTH

You look for "food" elsewhere and you think by this "food" you are fed

Eat it if YOU want
But dont offer it to others

 

[dcontroversal]

Hey brothers and sisters, here is what the OP is doing:

Probably best to just leave him to himself.

We probably agree on more things than we disagree....this being one of those found in the first grouping....as in agree

 

[preacher4truth]

It's just not profitable to engage with PeterJens and/or his other moniker mj007.

 

[dcontroversal]

I agree...when I used the term "simple" - my purpose was in stating that we don't have to do a bunch of things in order to be saved, to become the righteousness of God in Christ which is by grace through faith in Christ's work alone.

I believe we haven't even scratched the surface of knowing what the love of God in Christ has done for us in His great majestic work. Throughout eternity we will be seeing new wonders of Him as they are unfolded to us and we will be standing in total amazement of Him.

I once heard a minister say this: If you are not in total constant amazement of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ and in what He has done - you have not had the revelation of the Lord Jesus Christ yet like we should and will have when we see Him for who He truly is.

No need to defend the word simple....the bible uses the same verbiage....Be not removed from the SIMPLICITY that is found in Christ!

 

[preacher4truth]

No need to defend the word simple....the bible uses the same verbiage....Be not removed from the SIMPLICITY that is found in Christ!

Sort of, but not in that sense as it is oft misapplied. The word "simple/simplicity" (really the entire phrase "sincere and pure devotion") refers to their devotion to Christ, not to the process of believing. That's the context and proper application of 2 Corinthians 11:3.

 

[dcontroversal]

Sort of, but not in that sense as it is oft misapplied. The word "simple/simplicity" (really the entire phrase "sincere and pure devotion") refers to their devotion to Christ, not to the process of believing. That's the context and proper application of 2 Corinthians 11:3.

I hear ya....point being....it is a simple thing and FOOLISH thing with God that men should be and can be saved by preaching and believing....and at the end of the day.....it is a simple process and requires a child like faith.....I suppose at the end of the day with God everything is simple.....hah

 

[miknik5]

Fighting words, lol.
This guy only has a name, that is all. How can he trust a name or reject a name.
It could be Bill, or Paul, or Michael. Is he going to be judged for not knowing a name?

You could fill a church with people who know a name and it is still just a church full of
people who know a name and nothing more.

So what is it that saves them? Just a phrase someone says is important? But who says
it is important? By what authority and who is the reference of this authority?

One thing I want to say. I am glad you changed you tag line

 

[Grace777x70]

No need to defend the word simple....the bible uses the same verbiage....Be not removed from the SIMPLICITY that is found in Christ!

I agree there is the simplicity that is in Christ and I also agree that the work our loving Father did in Christ is not simple either. It was a work of magnificent proportions.

2 Corinthians 11:3-4 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

[SUP]4 [/SUP] For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

The way the serpent beguiled Eve was in saying " You can be like God through your own efforts of knowing and thus doing good and evil."

It is the serpent's own wisdom and desires when Lucifer said his 5 "I wills" - of which the very first one was - "I will be like the Most High"

This is the anti-Christ system belief that has entered the world and the church minds. We are still eating from the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil instead of eating from Christ Himself - who is a symbol of the tree of Life.