Should Christians challenge supernatural claims.
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I never said a word, but inwardly I was like oy vey!
Look, I agree healings occur, but not like in the days of when the bible was written.
I haven't heard of hands, limbs &c being restored.
I haven't heard of sight being restored by the laying on of hands.
I haven't heard of the dead raising back to life life Dorcas, Eutychus of the widow's son in Nain.
Look, I agree healings occur, but not like in the days of when the bible was written.
I haven't heard of hands, limbs &c being restored.
I haven't heard of sight being restored by the laying on of hands.
I haven't heard of the dead raising back to life life Dorcas, Eutychus of the widow's son in Nain.
Hi Issachar,
That's great! I praise the Lord and rejoice with you. I should have been more detailed in my response.
I don't deny healings at all. What I was meaning to say is that there are so many that claim to do massive healings, but they have had people interview those that say they're healed and many have no doctor's proof they're healed and so it seems there's a lot of charlatans that claim to be Christian healers. But I do believe in healing 100%.
I will look for that scripture and post it in this thread.
That's great! I praise the Lord and rejoice with you. I should have been more detailed in my response.
I don't deny healings at all. What I was meaning to say is that there are so many that claim to do massive healings, but they have had people interview those that say they're healed and many have no doctor's proof they're healed and so it seems there's a lot of charlatans that claim to be Christian healers. But I do believe in healing 100%.
I will look for that scripture and post it in this thread.
Hi Issachar,
That's great! I praise the Lord and rejoice with you. I should have been more detailed in my response.
I don't deny healings at all. What I was meaning to say is that there are so many that claim to do massive healings, but they have had people interview those that say they're healed and many have no doctor's proof they're healed and so it seems there's a lot of charlatans that claim to be Christian healers. But I do believe in healing 100%.
I will look for that scripture and post it in this thread.
That's great! I praise the Lord and rejoice with you. I should have been more detailed in my response.
I don't deny healings at all. What I was meaning to say is that there are so many that claim to do massive healings, but they have had people interview those that say they're healed and many have no doctor's proof they're healed and so it seems there's a lot of charlatans that claim to be Christian healers. But I do believe in healing 100%.
I will look for that scripture and post it in this thread.
Hi Issachar,
That's great! I praise the Lord and rejoice with you. I should have been more detailed in my response.
I don't deny healings at all. What I was meaning to say is that there are so many that claim to do massive healings, but they have had people interview those that say they're healed and many have no doctor's proof they're healed and so it seems there's a lot of charlatans that claim to be Christian healers. But I do believe in healing 100%.
I will look for that scripture and post it in this thread.
That's great! I praise the Lord and rejoice with you. I should have been more detailed in my response.
I don't deny healings at all. What I was meaning to say is that there are so many that claim to do massive healings, but they have had people interview those that say they're healed and many have no doctor's proof they're healed and so it seems there's a lot of charlatans that claim to be Christian healers. But I do believe in healing 100%.
I will look for that scripture and post it in this thread.
Here's the scripture.
Mark 16:19, 20
So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed.
Another thought too is that those who were healed by Jesus were obvious miracles. They would be easy to prove.
A man threw himself into the fire and foamed at the mouth. When healed he stopped doing that because he was free of the demon that caused it.
The Gadarene had multiple demons and walked around naked and cut himself. He stopped doing those things.
The lepers who were healed would be obvious.
The woman with the issue of blood for years would have stopped bleeding.
Those who were lame could now walk.
Mark 16:19, 20
So then, when the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven and sat down at the right hand of God. And they went out and preached everywhere, while the Lord worked with them, and confirmed the word by the signs that followed.
Another thought too is that those who were healed by Jesus were obvious miracles. They would be easy to prove.
A man threw himself into the fire and foamed at the mouth. When healed he stopped doing that because he was free of the demon that caused it.
The Gadarene had multiple demons and walked around naked and cut himself. He stopped doing those things.
The lepers who were healed would be obvious.
The woman with the issue of blood for years would have stopped bleeding.
Those who were lame could now walk.
Here is something I was witness to some years back. I was in a very small church and this visiting preaching was praying for sick folks. I happen to know a young lady in the church and knew she had some problems with her back, so this fellow had her sit in a chair with her legs out straight in front of her and one of her feet stuck out a good ways from the other foot. I knew that he was going to pray for her feet to become even, so I said to him, can I watch that, he said sure, so I stand just inches from her feet. Meanwhile he is talking and has not yet prayed for her and as I am watching that one foot moved a couple of inches and lined up with the other foot. I said to the girl, did you feel anything, and she said no. This was not a trick, some power made that foot move out and line up with the other foot.
People are healed by the Word every single day. That is NOT an empty promise. There are no empty promises in the Word. Only unbelieving Christians. Which makes me wonder.....If you don't believe that God heals everybody as He says, how can you believe anything He says? If he lies about healing, He probably lies about all of it...Right? And if He doesn't lie about all of it, how do you know what He's lying about and what He's truthing about?
So...Not knowing who AA Allen was I did a little digging. And Here's what I found...http://eaec.org/bibleanswers/Paul-Cunningham-Testimony.pdf What happened to the man? Christians happened to him.....Churchianity can be cruel and Hateful...Who are WE to judge others? My wife and I got kicked out of churches twice. Why. We want to go on with the Lord. Churches do not like that.
To know if a persons experience is true or not especially on a forum like this for the main part you cannot know 100% but how i do it is I take into account what I know about the person and who they are, what they speak on a day to day basis and how they do it, I also check any un regular patterns in their wording as when people lie even on forums their wordings are abnormal and how they say it is abnormal from their normal speech as well.
I also of course check to see if it matches scripture sometimes it can match scripture quite a lot other times it is possible that it won't very much but then again there have been times when I experienced the supernatural that I know was God but to this day cannot find scripture as evidence, for instance A long time ago when I was beginning to get very hooked on Caffeine so much so that my bowels were acting up and I was losing a ton of weight I had a dream and I was in a pure white place and God the father was there I could not see any physical form yet knew he was there as if I was looking at a physical person.
He spoke to me saying Blain you need to stop drinking coffee and I replied but Lord I need it to wake up in the morning( I am soooo not a morning person lol) and he replied saying then just drink it in the morning and the dream ended. Honestly I really wish I would have listened to him back then as I am now a severe caffeine addict. Now whether anyone believes me about this experience or not is not of concern to me but most who would read it and in their minds deciding whether to believe me or not might try to find scripture related to it and if none is found some would instantly think it's false and not from God or I am making it up, others might also take into account what they know of me and may consider the things I say on a day to day basis and others still might blindly believe me which I do not recommend even if you trust me because I am human and am flawed and I have more than once caught myself confusing my own imaginations with something from God.
testing every spirit is vital even your own because like I said we are human and are flawed, we can have the purest and best intentions but remember also that some of the worst and most horrific things done in history were with pure intentions.
I also of course check to see if it matches scripture sometimes it can match scripture quite a lot other times it is possible that it won't very much but then again there have been times when I experienced the supernatural that I know was God but to this day cannot find scripture as evidence, for instance A long time ago when I was beginning to get very hooked on Caffeine so much so that my bowels were acting up and I was losing a ton of weight I had a dream and I was in a pure white place and God the father was there I could not see any physical form yet knew he was there as if I was looking at a physical person.
He spoke to me saying Blain you need to stop drinking coffee and I replied but Lord I need it to wake up in the morning( I am soooo not a morning person lol) and he replied saying then just drink it in the morning and the dream ended. Honestly I really wish I would have listened to him back then as I am now a severe caffeine addict. Now whether anyone believes me about this experience or not is not of concern to me but most who would read it and in their minds deciding whether to believe me or not might try to find scripture related to it and if none is found some would instantly think it's false and not from God or I am making it up, others might also take into account what they know of me and may consider the things I say on a day to day basis and others still might blindly believe me which I do not recommend even if you trust me because I am human and am flawed and I have more than once caught myself confusing my own imaginations with something from God.
testing every spirit is vital even your own because like I said we are human and are flawed, we can have the purest and best intentions but remember also that some of the worst and most horrific things done in history were with pure intentions.
No, because I know miracles have ceased, aside from prayer. It is the same as not going to look if someone claims Jesus returned and He's out in the field. You don't need to learn how they play out thier trickery. Even if it was real (which it's not), so what! Poop is real, cancer is real. Just because something is real doesn't mean its beneficial for you to examine it.
You already know thier intention (which isn't from God). Like Colossians 2:18 says, they go into great detail, seeming spiritual, but they are unspiritual. You will know them by thier fruit. Galatians 5 speaks of the fruits of the Spirit and the fruits of those who are of the devil.
They decieve many, but if they really had power they'd go free those in hospitals, Christ would. Deceivers deceive many, but one who studied enough to know the truth cannot be deceived.
I wouldn't put God in a box my friend. Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. He healed then and he heals today. Besides massive things like placing hands on someone and them being healed isn't the real miracles. Everyday that we in our busy live and going through all kinds of stress take the time out of our day to be still and know God- that is a miracle. When a single mom has four wild kids to take care of and feed and works over 9 hours a day with two jobs to make ends meet yet even as exhausted as she is still show her kids that she loves them and kisses them good night- that is a miracle.
When a homeless man is being passed by so many people because people assume is not really homeless or that he will just spend the money on drugs but one good soul stops gives him money and takes him out for for lunch that is a miracle, when a person is on the forums and instead of speaking and responding to others in a un christ like I am right you are wrong tone and simply shows love and God's heart even when being heavily attacked that is a miracle.
Did you know that healing is done here everyday? as much as I love hearing of peoples bodies being healed the inner wounds and scars and inner cuts and bleedings of a persons heart and soul are far deeper and far harder to mend and heal than any wound one might have on their bodies and it only takes one heart to show love compassion support and encouragement to help to heal such wounds, that is a miracle. Miracles are all around us we just tend to be completely blind to them because we think of miracles as these huge amazing supernatural events but really it's the simple things that are the real miracles.
If you want to see a miracle be that miracle then come and tell me that miracles have ceased
When a homeless man is being passed by so many people because people assume is not really homeless or that he will just spend the money on drugs but one good soul stops gives him money and takes him out for for lunch that is a miracle, when a person is on the forums and instead of speaking and responding to others in a un christ like I am right you are wrong tone and simply shows love and God's heart even when being heavily attacked that is a miracle.
Did you know that healing is done here everyday? as much as I love hearing of peoples bodies being healed the inner wounds and scars and inner cuts and bleedings of a persons heart and soul are far deeper and far harder to mend and heal than any wound one might have on their bodies and it only takes one heart to show love compassion support and encouragement to help to heal such wounds, that is a miracle. Miracles are all around us we just tend to be completely blind to them because we think of miracles as these huge amazing supernatural events but really it's the simple things that are the real miracles.
If you want to see a miracle be that miracle then come and tell me that miracles have ceased
Over the years it's become less important to me to prove out someone else and to find out if their healing or any other claim they have was actually real. What difference does it make and how can we as individuals know for sure if we properly proved the person wrong? Or right for that matter. Do we believe miracles because of the people around us who said they saw them or have been the object of one? Or do we believe because the Bible says so?
I have discovered most people are who they are as a result of what they have been through and learned in their lives. It's the rare ones who have allowed the Holy Spirit to take them out of that human realm of the natural and to go further into the deeper aspects of their lives that have to do with faith. And much of that is between them and Jesus and none of my business.
I think that is why we are told to think the best of every person in 1Cor.13 because we can't possibly know their heart motives.
I also don't understand how so many Christians allow themselves to be pre occupied with other people and what they think or say as if it has so much of an impact on their lives. Many don't even listen or are even around those people they disagree with so much of the time. Why do some people spend time thinking about other people they don't even like or agree with? Personally it makes no sense to me. I don't see the sense in following people because people are not 100% right. Only God is 100% right and only He is worth studying and finding out about.
And now with the internet and how that makes the world so much smaller., who has time to consider allllll these people who are out there being the subject of scrutiny?
I have discovered most people are who they are as a result of what they have been through and learned in their lives. It's the rare ones who have allowed the Holy Spirit to take them out of that human realm of the natural and to go further into the deeper aspects of their lives that have to do with faith. And much of that is between them and Jesus and none of my business.
I think that is why we are told to think the best of every person in 1Cor.13 because we can't possibly know their heart motives.
I also don't understand how so many Christians allow themselves to be pre occupied with other people and what they think or say as if it has so much of an impact on their lives. Many don't even listen or are even around those people they disagree with so much of the time. Why do some people spend time thinking about other people they don't even like or agree with? Personally it makes no sense to me. I don't see the sense in following people because people are not 100% right. Only God is 100% right and only He is worth studying and finding out about.
And now with the internet and how that makes the world so much smaller., who has time to consider allllll these people who are out there being the subject of scrutiny?
