Who is the woman in Rev 12:5?

[Katy-follower]

Can you tell us where you got "the male child is caught up to God's throne before THE DRAGON CAN HARM HIM"?

I'm keen to know too. Ahwatukee is strong on the topic of end times, but not sure about this view. I've always understood that the male child is Jesus. So this is something new to me.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Can you tell us where you got "the male child is caught up to God's throne before THE DRAGON CAN HARM HIM"?

1. The dragon/Satan is waiting for the woman to give birth so that he can devour/Kill the child as soon as it is born

2. The woman gives birth to a male child and her child was "caught up" to God and his throne.

3 . The word "harpazo" translated "caught up" is the same word used when the living church is changed and "caught up." It is also the same word used when Paul said that he was "caught up" to the third heaven.

4. There is nothing mentioned in the context of the dragon devouring/killing the male child.

Harpazo:

Strong's Concordance

harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away​

Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
Short Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery
Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.

HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).

To understand how the male child is going to be caught up, we need to look at the event of how the living church is changed and caught up, which is suddenly and by force. The same word was used to describe Philip. As soon as he had baptized the Eunuch, the Spirit snatched him away and he was found in another city.

The male child is caught up in the same manner, suddenly and forcefully. I personally believe that at that time, they will also be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies similar to the living church at the time they are caught up.

 

[Muzungu256]

to me its clearly Mary........... who else can it be????????? Mary giving birth to Jesus who then ascends to the Father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[KJV1611]

1. The dragon/Satan is waiting for the woman to give birth so that he can devour/Kill the child as soon as it is born

2. The woman gives birth to a male child and her child was "caught up" to God and his throne.

3 . The word "harpazo" translated "caught up" is the same word used when the living church is changed and "caught up." It is also the same word used when Paul said that he was "caught up" to the third heaven.

4. There is nothing mentioned in the context of the dragon devouring/killing the male child.

Harpazo:

Strong's Concordance

harpazó: to seize, catch up, snatch away​

Original Word: ἁρπάζω
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: harpazó
Phonetic Spelling: (har-pad'-zo)
Short Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery
Definition: I seize, snatch, obtain by robbery.

HELPS Word-studies
726 harpázō – properly, seize by force; snatch up, suddenly and decisively – like someone seizing bounty (spoil, a prize); to take by an open display of force (i.e. not covertly or secretly).

To understand how the male child is going to be caught up, we need to look at the event of how the living church is changed and caught up, which is suddenly and by force. The same word was used to describe Philip. As soon as he had baptized the Eunuch, the Spirit snatched him away and he was found in another city.

The male child is caught up in the same manner, suddenly and forcefully. I personally believe that at that time, they will also be changed into their immortal and glorified bodies similar to the living church at the time they are caught up.

The way I see it, you have created a whole belief system around the word harpazo - the manchild was "caught up" therefore the man child CAN NOT be Jesus because Jesus doesn't get raptured. Harpazo simply means to snatch up or be caught up. Harpazo doesn't mean to be caught up and changed in the twinkling of an eye.

 

[KJV1611]

to me its clearly Mary........... who else can it be????????? Mary giving birth to Jesus who then ascends to the Father!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is no doubt Mary but which Mary is it? Mary was a flesh descendant of Israel but she was also a spiritual seed of Israel so is the woman in Rev 12 referring to Mary the physical seed or Mary the spritual seed, the spiritual seed being Jerusalem which is above?

 

[J7]

Rev 12 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Daniel 7 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,

Message to the Church of Thyatira: rev 2 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Isn't this male child the saints?

 

[KJV1611]

Rev 12 5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

Daniel 7 27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,

Message to the Church of Thyatira: rev 2 26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations: he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.


And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Isn't this male child the saints?

It's definitely a good case for the man child possibly being the saints. So how do we know if it's Jesus at the first coming or the body of Christ at the end?

 

[J7]

I think KJ it might work like this.
the 1260 years is from AD 538 - 1798

A time = 360 years
times = 2 X 360 years
1/2 time = 180 years

Total = 1260 years

The red dragon, Catholic Church, persecutes the real Church

The beast that WAS - IS NOT - YET IS

 

[KJV1611]

I think KJ it might work like this.
the 1260 years is from AD 538 - 1798

A time = 360 years
times = 2 X 360 years
1/2 time = 180 years

Total = 1260 years

The red dragon, Catholic Church, persecutes the real Church

The beast that WAS - IS NOT - YET IS

That's a different take on things.

 

[Denadii]

It is no doubt Mary but which Mary is it? Mary was a flesh descendant of Israel but she was also a spiritual seed of Israel so is the woman in Rev 12 referring to Mary the physical seed or Mary the spritual seed, the spiritual seed being Jerusalem which is above?

So we have at least two differences in opinion...Mary, but which one; Or the bride who comes out of the Church...The church being the woman and the one new man coming out of her.

 

[J7]

When we go back to Daniel 7 KJ, it is also about the Dominion Mandate.

The beast holds it, until the Stone Kingdom (the Saints) topples it.

So the Saints might be ready, but prophetically it is not their time yet, if that makes sense.

 

[KJV1611]

So we have at least two differences in opinion...Mary, but which one; Or the bride who comes out of the Church...The church being the woman and the one new man coming out of her.

I think we need to figure out who Jerusalem which is above is. She's our mother, she was Paul's mother and also Mary's mother also I believe. Is she the church... I'm not sure, what do you think?

Galatians 4:26 KJV
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

 

[Denadii]

I think we need to figure out who Jerusalem which is above is. She's our mother, she was Paul's mother and also Mary's mother also I believe. Is she the church... I'm not sure, what do you think?

Galatians 4:26 KJV
But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Personally, my friend, I really don't think Mary has anything to do with it...She lived, she died and went to heaven. She is in her reward.....What more is there for her to do? Unless you thing Rev 12:5 is past tense. ... I do not

 

[KJV1611]

Personally, my friend, I really don't think Mary has anything to do with it...She lived, she died and went to heaven. She is in her reward.....What more is there for her to do? Unless you thing Rev 12:5 is past tense. ... I do not

Who do you think Jerusalem above is? She was Paul's mother.

 

[Denadii]

Who do you think Jerusalem above is? She was Paul's mother.

You are talking about Zec 12? Jerusalem, the capitol of the Jews crucified Jesus...Now, during the tribulation Jerusalem (the Jews) will repent of that

“When that day comes, I will seek to destroy
all nations attacking Yerushalayim;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]and I will pour out on the house of David
and on those living in Yerushalayim
a spirit of grace and prayer;
and they will look to me, whom they pierced.”They will mourn for him
as one mourns for an only son;
they will be in bitterness on his behalf
like the bitterness for a firstborn son.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When that day comes, there will be
great mourning in Yerushalayim,
mourning like that for Hadad-Rimmon
in the Megiddo Valley.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then the land will mourn,
each family by itself —
the family of the house of David by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
the family of the house of Natan by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]the family of the house of Levi by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
the family of the Shim‘i by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]all the remaining families, each by itself,
and their wives by themselves.

You know my friend that we cannot just take one single verse and make it work as doctrine, or even talking points. It all has to be kept in context. I know that you know that. I am saying it anyway for those who don't. So according to this Jerusalem is not Pauls mother (what does she have to do with anything?) Jerusalem is Jerusalem..The Jews

 

[KJV1611]

You are talking about Zec 12? Jerusalem, the capitol of the Jews crucified Jesus...Now, during the tribulation Jerusalem (the Jews) will repent of that

“When that day comes, I will seek to destroy
all nations attacking Yerushalayim;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]and I will pour out on the house of David
and on those living in Yerushalayim
a spirit of grace and prayer;
and they will look to me, whom they pierced.”They will mourn for him
as one mourns for an only son;
they will be in bitterness on his behalf
like the bitterness for a firstborn son.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]When that day comes, there will be
great mourning in Yerushalayim,
mourning like that for Hadad-Rimmon
in the Megiddo Valley.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Then the land will mourn,
each family by itself —
the family of the house of David by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
the family of the house of Natan by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]the family of the house of Levi by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
the family of the Shim‘i by itself,
and their wives by themselves;
[SUP]14 [/SUP]all the remaining families, each by itself,
and their wives by themselves.

You know my friend that we cannot just take one single verse and make it work as doctrine, or even talking points. It all has to be kept in context. I know that you know that. I am saying it anyway for those who don't. So according to this Jerusalem is not Pauls mother (what does she have to do with anything?) Jerusalem is Jerusalem..The Jews

This is something that I can see you don't have understanding of yet - this is not a jab and I'm being a smart butt, I'm trying to help you see.

Galatians 4:22-26 KJV
For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hagar is a mother who represents those under the law - flesh descendants of Israel.
Jerusalem above is the mother of the children of the promise - those saved by grace.
My question is WHO does Jerusalem which is above represent? Who or what is Jerusalem above?

 

[Denadii]

This is something that I can see you don't have understanding of yet - this is not a jab and I'm being a smart butt, I'm trying to help you see.

Galatians 4:22-26 KJV
For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
[23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise.
[24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
[25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children.
[26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.

Hagar is a mother who represents those under the law - flesh descendants of Israel.
Jerusalem above is the mother of the children of the promise - those saved by grace.
My question is WHO does Jerusalem which is above represent? Who or what is Jerusalem above?

I have said what I have said. I stand by it. So Hugs on ya!
BTW If you had said Smart ass I would not have been offended. I was a trucker, a miner and other things before I became a writer....I know many Christians that love the Lord, and speak in the vernacular. I don't find it offensive. Though I do realize others may.

 

[CS1]

Revelation 12:5 KJV
And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

I think she's heavenly Jerusalem, the mother of us all.... who do you think she is and why?

she is the democrats

 

[willybob]

No one can put a finger on the true church because it doesn't exist in the sense that it can be seen. Some of us are in Baptist churches, some in Lutheran, some in non-denominational and some who don't attend any corporate church... There is no visible real church, it's hidden in the wilderness I guess you could say lol.

the true church can be seen by its fruit...by there fruit will you know them said Jesus, those obeying Christ and producing the fruit of love are the members of the true ecclesia (the ecclesia is simply when two or mare are gathered in His name) could be anywhere, anytime...

 

[willybob]

Jesus is ruling and reigning now within the hearts of the true believers, in a spiritual sense they are as a fist of iron upon the whole world. The word of God is a fist of iron, it crushes all that opposes and exults itself in rebellion, it will continue to do so until Christ returns and ushers in the new earth for all eternity...

In a different metaphoric description, the word of God is a fire upon the whole world, it either purifies the righteous, or it consumes the wicked..

in yet another metaphoric sense, the word of God is a rock from which one is broken upon in repentance, or crushed under in rebellion