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No gdyloves, it's not ok that we have a difference of opinion. These issues have to be resolved otherwise were just waisting each others time by continuing on to the next unresolved question you might have like here for example when you ask about "My God, my God."
It was also you who said to take one thing at a time and that is what I intend to do with the issue of "begotten." So why is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God according to John 3:16? Most people including the Jehovah Witnesses think that begotten means that Jesus is a created being or He had a beginning.
Actually there are two defintions in play here according to the Greek word "monogenes/begotten." The first definition pertains to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship. For example at Hebrews 11:17, "By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac; and he who had received the promise was offering up HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON." Well, the thing is that Abraham had more than one son, which means Isaac was the ONLY SON he had by Sarah and the ONLY SON of the covenant that God made with him.
The other definition pertains to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind. This is the meaning in which John 3:16 applies. As well as at John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:18 or 1 John 4:9. The point the Apostle John was making is to highlight that Jesus Christ is the uniquely God's son-sharing the same divine nature as God and as oppose to believers who are not God's sons and daughters since we are "ADOPTED" sons and daughters according to Ephesians 1:5.
The bottom line is the fact that we are not procreated by God, we are procreated by our parents. This is also why I gave you the example that you share the same exac t nature as your parents and Jesus Christ has two natures, one from His mothers side and one from His Father's side who is of course Deity/God. This is how God chose to do things and this does not mean Jesus Christ had a beginning, no, He always existed, period.
This is also why I gave you Revelation 3:14 which says, "The Amen and the faithful and true Witness, the "BEGINNING" of the creation of God, says this." Jw's latch on to this verse as well as unitarians and christadelphians to prove that Jesus Christ was a created being.
If they would do a word study, especially the word "beginning" in the verse they will discover that the Greek word for beginning is "arche." We get our English word "architect" from that Greek word. So the verse is saying that Jesus is the creator, planner, or the orgin of creation. This is backed up some of the verse you quoted like at Colossians 2:16, John 1:3 and many others that show by Hin/Jesus all things have been created. Does this make sense to you gdyloves? I will address Matthew 27:46 for you a soon.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
It was also you who said to take one thing at a time and that is what I intend to do with the issue of "begotten." So why is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God according to John 3:16? Most people including the Jehovah Witnesses think that begotten means that Jesus is a created being or He had a beginning.
Actually there are two defintions in play here according to the Greek word "monogenes/begotten." The first definition pertains to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship. For example at Hebrews 11:17, "By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac; and he who had received the promise was offering up HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON." Well, the thing is that Abraham had more than one son, which means Isaac was the ONLY SON he had by Sarah and the ONLY SON of the covenant that God made with him.
The other definition pertains to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind. This is the meaning in which John 3:16 applies. As well as at John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:18 or 1 John 4:9. The point the Apostle John was making is to highlight that Jesus Christ is the uniquely God's son-sharing the same divine nature as God and as oppose to believers who are not God's sons and daughters since we are "ADOPTED" sons and daughters according to Ephesians 1:5.
The bottom line is the fact that we are not procreated by God, we are procreated by our parents. This is also why I gave you the example that you share the same exac t nature as your parents and Jesus Christ has two natures, one from His mothers side and one from His Father's side who is of course Deity/God. This is how God chose to do things and this does not mean Jesus Christ had a beginning, no, He always existed, period.
This is also why I gave you Revelation 3:14 which says, "The Amen and the faithful and true Witness, the "BEGINNING" of the creation of God, says this." Jw's latch on to this verse as well as unitarians and christadelphians to prove that Jesus Christ was a created being.
If they would do a word study, especially the word "beginning" in the verse they will discover that the Greek word for beginning is "arche." We get our English word "architect" from that Greek word. So the verse is saying that Jesus is the creator, planner, or the orgin of creation. This is backed up some of the verse you quoted like at Colossians 2:16, John 1:3 and many others that show by Hin/Jesus all things have been created. Does this make sense to you gdyloves? I will address Matthew 27:46 for you a soon.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
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No gdyloves, it's not ok that we have a difference of opinion. These issues have to be resolved otherwise were just waisting each others time by continuing on to the next unresolved question you might have like here for example when you ask about "My God, my God."
It was also you who said to take one thing at a time and that is what I intend to do with the issue of "begotten." So why is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God according to John 3:16? Most people including the Jehovah Witnesses think that begotten means that Jesus is a created being or He had a beginning.
Actually there are two defintions in play here according to the Greek word "monogenes/begotten." The first definition pertains to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship. For example at Hebrews 11:17, "By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac; and he who had received the promise was offering up HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON." Well, the thing is that Abraham had more than one son, which means Isaac was the ONLY SON he had by Sarah and the ONLY SON of the covenant that God made with him.
The other definition pertains to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind. This is the meaning in which John 3:16 applies. As well as at John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:18 or 1 John 4:9. The point the Apostle John was making is to highlight that Jesus Christ is the uniquely God's son-sharing the same divine nature as God and as oppose to believers who are not God's sons and daughters since we are "ADOPTED" sons and daughters according to Ephesians 1:5.
The bottom line is the fact that we are not procreated by God, we are procreated by our parents. This is also why I gave you the example that you share the same exac t nature as your parents and Jesus Christ has two natures, one from His mothers side and one from His Father's side who is of course Deity/God. This is how God chose to do things and this does not mean Jesus Christ had a beginning, no, He always existed, period.
This is also why I gave you Revelation 3:14 which says, "The Amen and the faithful and true Witness, the "BEGINNING" of the creation of God, says this." Jw's latch on to this verse as well as unitarians and christadelphians to prove that Jesus Christ was a created being.
If they would do a word study, especially the word "beginning" in the verse they will discover that the Greek word for beginning is "arche." We get our English word "architect" from that Greek word. So the verse is saying that Jesus is the creator, planner, or the orgin of creation. This is backed up some of the verse you quoted like at Colossians 2:16, John 1:3 and many others that show by Hin/Jesus all things have been created. Does this make sense to you gdyloves? I will address Matthew 27:46 for you a soon.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
It was also you who said to take one thing at a time and that is what I intend to do with the issue of "begotten." So why is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God according to John 3:16? Most people including the Jehovah Witnesses think that begotten means that Jesus is a created being or He had a beginning.
Actually there are two defintions in play here according to the Greek word "monogenes/begotten." The first definition pertains to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship. For example at Hebrews 11:17, "By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac; and he who had received the promise was offering up HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON." Well, the thing is that Abraham had more than one son, which means Isaac was the ONLY SON he had by Sarah and the ONLY SON of the covenant that God made with him.
The other definition pertains to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind. This is the meaning in which John 3:16 applies. As well as at John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:18 or 1 John 4:9. The point the Apostle John was making is to highlight that Jesus Christ is the uniquely God's son-sharing the same divine nature as God and as oppose to believers who are not God's sons and daughters since we are "ADOPTED" sons and daughters according to Ephesians 1:5.
The bottom line is the fact that we are not procreated by God, we are procreated by our parents. This is also why I gave you the example that you share the same exac t nature as your parents and Jesus Christ has two natures, one from His mothers side and one from His Father's side who is of course Deity/God. This is how God chose to do things and this does not mean Jesus Christ had a beginning, no, He always existed, period.
This is also why I gave you Revelation 3:14 which says, "The Amen and the faithful and true Witness, the "BEGINNING" of the creation of God, says this." Jw's latch on to this verse as well as unitarians and christadelphians to prove that Jesus Christ was a created being.
If they would do a word study, especially the word "beginning" in the verse they will discover that the Greek word for beginning is "arche." We get our English word "architect" from that Greek word. So the verse is saying that Jesus is the creator, planner, or the orgin of creation. This is backed up some of the verse you quoted like at Colossians 2:16, John 1:3 and many others that show by Hin/Jesus all things have been created. Does this make sense to you gdyloves? I will address Matthew 27:46 for you a soon.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
Heart of David. (Popeye)
Bless you bro
K
John 10
[FONT="] Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;no one will snatch them out of my hand.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]30 [/FONT][FONT="]I and the Father are one.[/FONT][FONT="]”[/FONT][FONT="]
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”[/FONT]
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 26
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[FONT="]62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God:Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”[e][/FONT]
[FONT="]65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66 What do you think?”[/FONT]
[FONT="]“He is worthy of death,” they answered.
Jesus answer to the Sanhedrin was a reference to OT verses in Psalms and Daniel. Why did they say He blasphemed? Because He was claiming to be God. The Jews knew the OT and knew what Jesus was claiming. When Jesus was born He was called Emmanuel,which means "God is with us",He was called "Mighty God"in Isiah.
Colossians says ...5 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
2:9-For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.
John 8
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[FONT="]52 At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed!Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death. 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”[/FONT]
[FONT="]54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”[/FONT]
[FONT="]58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Why were they going to stone Jesus? Because He claimed to be "I AM", and to a Jew that was blasphemy.They understood what I AM meant,Jesus was claiming to be God. And that was reason to stone Him. Anyone who understands the Bible knows Jesus is God. [/FONT]
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[FONT="] Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me,[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;no one will snatch them out of my hand.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand.[/FONT][FONT="] [/FONT][FONT="]30 [/FONT][FONT="]I and the Father are one.[/FONT][FONT="]”[/FONT][FONT="]
31 Again his Jewish opponents picked up stones to stone him, 32 but Jesus said to them, “I have shown you many good works from the Father. For which of these do you stone me?”[/FONT]
33 “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.”
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Matthew 26
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[FONT="]62 Then the high priest stood up and said to Jesus, “Are you not going to answer? What is this testimony that these men are bringing against you?” 63 But Jesus remained silent.[/FONT]
[FONT="]The high priest said to him, “I charge you under oath by the living God:Tell us if you are the Messiah, the Son of God.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]64 “You have said so,” Jesus replied. “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”[e][/FONT]
[FONT="]65 Then the high priest tore his clothes and said, “He has spoken blasphemy! Why do we need any more witnesses? Look, now you have heard the blasphemy. 66 What do you think?”[/FONT]
[FONT="]“He is worthy of death,” they answered.
Jesus answer to the Sanhedrin was a reference to OT verses in Psalms and Daniel. Why did they say He blasphemed? Because He was claiming to be God. The Jews knew the OT and knew what Jesus was claiming. When Jesus was born He was called Emmanuel,which means "God is with us",He was called "Mighty God"in Isiah.
Colossians says ...5 The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.
2:9-For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form, 10 and in Christ you have been brought to fullness. He is the head over every power and authority.
John 8
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[FONT="]52 At this they exclaimed, “Now we know that you are demon-possessed!Abraham died and so did the prophets, yet you say that whoever obeys your word will never taste death. 53 Are you greater than our father Abraham? He died, and so did the prophets. Who do you think you are?”[/FONT]
[FONT="]54 Jesus replied, “If I glorify myself, my glory means nothing. My Father, whom you claim as your God, is the one who glorifies me. 55 Though you do not know him, I know him. If I said I did not, I would be a liar like you, but I do know him and obey his word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced at the thought of seeing my day; he saw it and was glad.”[/FONT]
[FONT="]57 “You are not yet fifty years old,” they said to him, “and you have seen Abraham!”[/FONT]
[FONT="]58 “Very truly I tell you,” Jesus answered, “before Abraham was born, I am!” 59 At this, they picked up stones to stone him, but Jesus hid himself, slipping away from the temple grounds.
Why were they going to stone Jesus? Because He claimed to be "I AM", and to a Jew that was blasphemy.They understood what I AM meant,Jesus was claiming to be God. And that was reason to stone Him. Anyone who understands the Bible knows Jesus is God. [/FONT]
[FONT="] [/FONT]
No gdyloves, it's not ok that we have a difference of opinion. These issues have to be resolved otherwise were just waisting each others time by continuing on to the next unresolved question you might have like here for example when you ask about "My God, my God."
It was also you who said to take one thing at a time and that is what I intend to do with the issue of "begotten." So why is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God according to John 3:16? Most people including the Jehovah Witnesses think that begotten means that Jesus is a created being or He had a beginning.
Actually there are two defintions in play here according to the Greek word "monogenes/begotten." The first definition pertains to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship. For example at Hebrews 11:17, "By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac; and he who had received the promise was offering up HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON." Well, the thing is that Abraham had more than one son, which means Isaac was the ONLY SON he had by Sarah and the ONLY SON of the covenant that God made with him.
The other definition pertains to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind. This is the meaning in which John 3:16 applies. As well as at John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:18 or 1 John 4:9. The point the Apostle John was making is to highlight that Jesus Christ is the uniquely God's son-sharing the same divine nature as God and as oppose to believers who are not God's sons and daughters since we are "ADOPTED" sons and daughters according to Ephesians 1:5.
The bottom line is the fact that we are not procreated by God, we are procreated by our parents. This is also why I gave you the example that you share the same exac t nature as your parents and Jesus Christ has two natures, one from His mothers side and one from His Father's side who is of course Deity/God. This is how God chose to do things and this does not mean Jesus Christ had a beginning, no, He always existed, period.
This is also why I gave you Revelation 3:14 which says, "The Amen and the faithful and true Witness, the "BEGINNING" of the creation of God, says this." Jw's latch on to this verse as well as unitarians and christadelphians to prove that Jesus Christ was a created being.
If they would do a word study, especially the word "beginning" in the verse they will discover that the Greek word for beginning is "arche." We get our English word "architect" from that Greek word. So the verse is saying that Jesus is the creator, planner, or the orgin of creation. This is backed up some of the verse you quoted like at Colossians 2:16, John 1:3 and many others that show by Hin/Jesus all things have been created. Does this make sense to you gdyloves? I will address Matthew 27:46 for you a soon.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto
It was also you who said to take one thing at a time and that is what I intend to do with the issue of "begotten." So why is Jesus Christ the only begotten Son of God according to John 3:16? Most people including the Jehovah Witnesses think that begotten means that Jesus is a created being or He had a beginning.
Actually there are two defintions in play here according to the Greek word "monogenes/begotten." The first definition pertains to being the only one of its kind within a specific relationship. For example at Hebrews 11:17, "By faith Abraham, when he was tested, offered up Isaac; and he who had received the promise was offering up HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON." Well, the thing is that Abraham had more than one son, which means Isaac was the ONLY SON he had by Sarah and the ONLY SON of the covenant that God made with him.
The other definition pertains to being the only one of its kind or class, unique in kind. This is the meaning in which John 3:16 applies. As well as at John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:18 or 1 John 4:9. The point the Apostle John was making is to highlight that Jesus Christ is the uniquely God's son-sharing the same divine nature as God and as oppose to believers who are not God's sons and daughters since we are "ADOPTED" sons and daughters according to Ephesians 1:5.
The bottom line is the fact that we are not procreated by God, we are procreated by our parents. This is also why I gave you the example that you share the same exac t nature as your parents and Jesus Christ has two natures, one from His mothers side and one from His Father's side who is of course Deity/God. This is how God chose to do things and this does not mean Jesus Christ had a beginning, no, He always existed, period.
This is also why I gave you Revelation 3:14 which says, "The Amen and the faithful and true Witness, the "BEGINNING" of the creation of God, says this." Jw's latch on to this verse as well as unitarians and christadelphians to prove that Jesus Christ was a created being.
If they would do a word study, especially the word "beginning" in the verse they will discover that the Greek word for beginning is "arche." We get our English word "architect" from that Greek word. So the verse is saying that Jesus is the creator, planner, or the orgin of creation. This is backed up some of the verse you quoted like at Colossians 2:16, John 1:3 and many others that show by Hin/Jesus all things have been created. Does this make sense to you gdyloves? I will address Matthew 27:46 for you a soon.
IN GOD THE SON,
bluto