Is dispensationalism same as replacement theology?

[garee]

I would offer there is no division between the flesh of a Jew and the flesh of a Gentile, never was never could be. God is simply no respecter of persons what we have we have received it freely .If not we make out God to be the liar seeing it is Him that mysteriously make men differ from one another.
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Galatians 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

No matter how a person flavors its flesh (dust without the Spirit of Christ) is dust. No spirit life in dust

First of all I would offer the bride of Christ, the church which is a representative glory of the unseen glory of God in this dark world is not known by that which is outward after the rudiments of this world (flesh and blood) . But rather inward born again of the Sprit of Christ. She is represented as one gospel, one faith (the faith of Christ) one Spirit, the Holy anointing Spirit of God.

In that way calling a Christian the same as a inward Jew does not make the word of God without effect it defines the word Jew. It does not define those of the flesh .They are outward Jews hoping being of the Jewish descent means they have the Spirit of Christ and they rejected his coming just as the Holy Sprit warned them in advance

He has given the inward Jews a new name that he named with his mouth calling us His bride Christian, a word with no other meaning attached to it means…. “Residents of the City of Christ”. founded on her husband, Christ
Just as Philippians meaning residents of the city of Philippi named after her founder Philip.


Rom 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

The letter is what we see as the glory of God, in that way no man can see the face of God and live. For he is a consuming fire. God is not a man as us, his mercy and grace reflect that hidden glory as the spirit of the word that lights the path of a believer .I think in that way His grace covers his glory so that we can have new life in Christ . God is light. He covers us with his hand as Moses covered his face with a veil until His glory passes by. The veil is rent.

But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake. 2 Corinthians 4

 

[valiant]

dispensationalism is the opposite of replacement theology. its true God deals with people differently during different times, in da garden of eden da plan of salvation would be "dont eat da fruit". but now its believe that Jesus Christ died for ur sins and rose again on da 3rd day. things will change again in da future during the millennial kingdom, but thats a whole 'nother topic.

God doesn't change the way in which He deals with people. Adam had to come to Him in repentance and faith through sacrifice. Noah had to come to Him in repentance and faith through sacrifice, Abram came to Him in repentance and faith through sacrifice. Moses came to God in repentance and faith through sacrifice. The true Israel came to God in repentance ad faith through sacrifice. Christians come to God in repentance and faith through sacrifice.

The only difference is that the sacrifices, apart from the last, were pointing forward. Jesus died for them and His sacrifice covered sins done aforetime (Rom 3.25). So in the end all who were saved were saved by the sacrifice of Christ . THERE IS NO OTHER WAY TO GOD.

replacement theology is saying that God is done with israel and its replaced by the church, that israel is no more.

That is a pure deceit. What it says is that the spiritual among Israel alone were saved (the elect Rom 9.6), and the true church was formed by that spiritual Israel, those who believed in Messiah, and Gentiles who were welcomed in even more than before
when they too believed in the Jewish Messiah.,

Thus the true Israel formed the church, and gentile proselytes were gathered in, ultimately in their millions, as Isaiah had prophesied. The true church IS Israel, it did not replace the true Israel. Unbelieving Jews were cast out.

let me disprove replacement theology using da bible:

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever

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you have to laugh. This has been fulfilled. The seed of Israel (true Israel) continued in the disciples and the multitude of early converts. They were joined by the Gentile proselytes. Together they formed the church. Thus Israel continued in and as the church and never ceased being a nation before Him. (1 Peter 2,9)

Rom 11:28-29 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

The election were saved. The remainder were cast out.

Wake up Snoozy

 

[loveme1]

All things come to pass leading to the Harvest.. GOD is in control.

replacing? Or Evolving?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Is replacement theology then a theology of Catholicism?

i would say its roots are in Roman theology. But it is not just Catholics who hold to it.

 

[Snoozy]

valiant again making da same error of thinking church and israel is da same thing.
u are probably one of da people who read the mount of olives splitting open and think its the gospel being spread by da church. it means what it says.
the church is the church
israel is israel.

there are three groups in this world: jews, gentiles and the church of God

1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

u can study da bible for years on end and if u dont rightly divide it ur wasting ur time.
its crazy to say God deals with people da same way. just wait when God pours judgment on the nations instead of showing longsuffering to make them come to repentance like He is doing now.
adam's gospel would of been "dont eat da fruit" before the fall. not "believe in the death burial and resurrection of Christ" since it hadnt happened yet. even the disciples didnt get it at first, so we are definately living in the dispensation of the grace of God like Paul said this is a mystery that God revealed through Paul.

makes u wonder how christians dont stand for israel and cant believe the bible anymore, they attack the people who rightly divide it. its end times right now.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

valiant again making da same error of thinking church and israel is da same thing.
u are probably one of da people who read the mount of olives splitting open and think its the gospel being spread by da church. it means what it says.
the church is the church
israel is israel.

there are three groups in this world: jews, gentiles and the church of God

1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

u can study da bible for years on end and if u dont rightly divide it ur wasting ur time.
its crazy to say God deals with people da same way. just wait when God pours judgment on the nations instead of showing longsuffering to make them come to repentance like He is doing now.
adam's gospel would of been "dont eat da fruit" before the fall. not "believe in the death burial and resurrection of Christ" since it hadnt happened yet. even the disciples didnt get it at first, so we are definately living in the dispensation of the grace of God like Paul said this is a mystery that God revealed through Paul.

makes u wonder how christians dont stand for israel and cant believe the bible anymore, they attack the people who rightly divide it. its end times right now.

We we need to stand for the truth and th gospel Israel is an enemy of the gospel we should treat he no different than any of their enemy, we should love them as that is th command we are given, love our neighbor as ourself,

let God take care of Israelh he has been doing it since they were born, he will continue to do it.

 

[Locutus]

Yes, they claim that "Israel" will replace the church...

 

[preacher4truth]

Now you want to limit the elect to mean israel/jews only? When the bible clearly says the elect are those who are found in Jesus Christ, because now there is neither Jew nor gentile.

And by the way I'm not saying I agree with replacement theology and I'm not a dispensationalist either.

ANY person who limits the elect to Israel/Jews doesn't know their Scriptures. When presented with the many texts that refute their error, they will not accept this and will do some serious mental gymnastics with the texts and twist plain Scripture.

All the saved were once elect, and all the elect will be saved.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yes, they claim that "Israel" will replace the church...

who? Israel will never replace the church, that's nonsense, just like the church never replaced Israel,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

ANY person who limits the elect to Israel/Jews doesn't know their Scriptures. When presented with the many texts that refute their error, they will not accept this and will do some serious mental gymnastics with the texts and twist plain Scripture.

All the saved were once elect, and all the elect will be saved.

so we throw romans 11 out the door,, what other scripture should I ignore?

 

[OneFaith]

Does Abraham replace Eden?
Does Moses replace Abraham?
Does David replace Moses?
Does Jesus replace the law?
Does the church replace Israel?
Or are they all linked together in God great progressive plan from the beginning of time?

I read that dispensationalism is a belief in a system of historical progression, as revealed in the Bible, consisting of a series of stages in God's self-revelation and plan of salvation. This isn’t necessarily a replacement but rather a progression. On the other hand replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel.

I’m confused about “replacement theology.” I have heard people claim both philosophies are the same. Any enlightenment would be helpful, whether you agree of not. I would like to hear pros and cons according to scripture. Thank you.

That's like asking if the earth replaces the globe. The globe was never the real thing- only a representation of the real thing. In the same way, the physical laws of Moses were only a representation of the real (spiritual) laws of Christ. "These were a shadow of things to come, the reality however is found in Christ."

Under Moses a high priest had to sacrifice a physically perfect lamb. But the Bible says the blood of animals never saved anyone from sin. But it represented Christ Whose blood does save us from sin. But their obedience in doing so postponed their sins until the cross.

In John chapter one Jesus came to His own physical people, but they rejected Him, so God rejected them. Now it's "whosoever will". Physical Israelites are no longer God's people unless they get baptized into Christ like everyone else.

"Here there are no Greek (Gentile) or Jew, slave nor free, male or female, but Christ is in them all." (We are CHRISTians).

 

[SovereignGrace]

Does Abraham replace Eden?
Does Moses replace Abraham?
Does David replace Moses?
Does Jesus replace the law?
Does the church replace Israel?
Or are they all linked together in God great progressive plan from the beginning of time?

I read that dispensationalism is a belief in a system of historical progression, as revealed in the Bible, consisting of a series of stages in God's self-revelation and plan of salvation. This isn’t necessarily a replacement but rather a progression. On the other hand replacement theology teaches that the church is the replacement for Israel and that the many promises made to Israel in the Bible are fulfilled in the Christian church, not in Israel.

I’m confused about “replacement theology.” I have heard people claim both philosophies are the same. Any enlightenment would be helpful, whether you agree of not. I would like to hear pros and cons according to scripture. Thank you.

No, its not replacement theology.

Its a goofy system that got started in the 1930's by Darby and then promulgated by the likes of C.I. Scofield.

The pre-trib rapture...AKA escapism...was not a viable option until these goons came onto the scene.

 

[SovereignGrace]

dispensationalism is the opposite of replacement theology. its true God deals with people differently during different times, in da garden of eden da plan of salvation would be "dont eat da fruit". but now its believe that Jesus Christ died for ur sins and rose again on da 3rd day. things will change again in da future during the millennial kingdom, but thats a whole 'nother topic.


replacement theology is saying that God is done with israel and its replaced by the church, that israel is no more.

let me disprove replacement theology using da bible:

Jer 31:35 Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
Jer 31:36 If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Act 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
Act 1:7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Rom 11:28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
Rom 11:29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.

2Ti 2:10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.

'da'? Seriously?

 

[John146]

No, its not replacement theology.

Its a goofy system that got started in the 1930's by Darby and then promulgated by the likes of C.I. Scofield.

The pre-trib rapture...AKA escapism...was not a viable option until these goons came onto the scene.

Actually it was stated by the Apostle Paul as he was led by the Holy Spirit. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman who needeth not to be ashamed; rightly dividing the word of truth." There are divisions to be made in the word of truth for the student who studies as a workman. Dispensation is a biblical word.

1 Corinthians 9:17
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.


Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:


Ephesians 3:2
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:


Colossians 1:25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

 

[preacher4truth]

'da'? Seriously?

Exactly...

 

[notuptome]

No, its not replacement theology.

Its a goofy system that got started in the 1930's by Darby and then promulgated by the likes of C.I. Scofield.

The pre-trib rapture...AKA escapism...was not a viable option until these goons came onto the scene.

James 4:11 ¶ Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Could I suggest you dial it back a notch or two? Darby and Schofield are men of God and ministers of the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[valiant]

i would say its roots are in Roman theology. But it is not just Catholics who hold to it.

No its roots are in Apostolic teaching. Ephesians 2.11-22; I Peter 1.5-9

 

[valiant]

Originally Posted by SovereignGrace

No, its not replacement theology.

Its a goofy system that got started in the 1930's by Darby and then promulgated by the likes of C.I. Scofield.

The pre-trib rapture...AKA escapism...was not a viable option until these goons came onto the scene.

James 4:11 ¶ Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.
12 There is one lawgiver, who is able to save and to destroy: who art thou that judgest another?

Could I suggest you dial it back a notch or two? Darby and Schofield are men of God and ministers of the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

lol True but they produced a goofy system

 

[valiant]

Actually it was stated by the Apostle Paul as he was led by the Holy Spirit. "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman who needeth not to be ashamed; rightly dividing the word of truth." There are divisions to be made in the word of truth for the student who studies as a workman. Dispensation is a biblical word.

1 Corinthians 9:17
For if I do this thing willingly, I have a reward: but if against my will, a dispensation of the gospel is committed unto me.


Ephesians 1:10
That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:


Ephesians 3:2
If ye have heard of the dispensation of the grace of God which is given me to you-ward:


Colossians 1:25
Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;

But Paul meant a different thing when he spoke of dispensation. He didn't split time into ages.

 

[valiant]

valiant again making da same error of thinking church and israel is da same thing.

True Israel and the true church ARE the same thing.

u are probably one of da people who read the mount of olives splitting open and think its the gospel being spread by da church

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I'm not really bothered whether you take it literally or spiritually, as long as you recognise that its happened,

the church is the church, Israel is israel.

The foundation of the Apostles demonstrates that the church is the continuation of the true Israel

there are three groups in this world: jews, gentiles and the church of God

1Co 10:32 Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:

But the unbelieving Jews and the unbelieving Gentiles were both under condemnation. The church of God, consisting of believing Jews and believing Gentiles made up the Israel of God,

u can study da bible for years on end and if u dont rightly divide it ur wasting ur time.

true so you'd better get cracking.

its crazy to say God deals with people da same way.

well people did think Jesus and Paul were a little crazy. But both agreed it was believers that counted. ALL are saved in the same way. There is only one way of salvation

j

ust wait when God pours judgment on the nations instead of showing longsuffering to make them come to repentance like He is doing now.

I can picture you there with your tongue hanging out.

adam's gospel would of been "dont eat da fruit" before the fall.

No salvation was needed before the Fall,

not "believe in the death burial and resurrection of Christ" since it hadnt happened yet. even the disciples didnt get it at first, so we are definately living in the dispensation of the grace of God like Paul said this is a mystery that God revealed through Paul.

Actually Jesus thought of it first. Every era is an era of grace.

makes u wonder how christians dont stand for israel and cant believe the bible anymore,

We stand for the true Israel, not the present unbelieving vicious conglomeration of people that call themselves Israel

they attack the people who rightly divide it.

Who does, I just feel sorry for you. I pray that God will open your eyes.

its end times right now.

We've been saying that for 100 years lol