Is dispensationalism same as replacement theology?

[eternally-gratefull]

By defending CI Scofield, you do know you are endorsing a well know tax cheat, fraudster, forger,drunk and emotional, physical abuser of women and and children, and a man who abandoned his first wife and kids and left them to starve...he was forced to resign and could not serve in public office because of all his scandals...

The History is there, now go learn about it and stop blindly supporting the devils own...

Lol

he he is defending a god, not scofield, all this nonsense about Darby and acofield and whatever makes you all look bad,

how about some bible? Or is that to much to ask? ,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God causes men to be saved through election. This then results in His predestinating them for His purpose. He makes the choice not us. His foreknowledge is proginosko (entering into relationship beforehand), not prooida, (knowing about beforehand).

Wrong, God causes peopl to be saved by grace through faith via the cross,

because of forknowledge, h has elected to save them based on that precept. ,

 

[Meggido]

If people would read their Bible, they would learn there are 8 Bible Covenants that cover all things and that dispensation and replacement theology are man made lies.

5 of the 8 covenants were made exclusively to Israel and 3 were made with mankind in General...

The New Covenant was not made with mankind in General but exclusively to both houses of Israel...

The Basis for the New Covenant is found in Jeremiah 31.27-34

 

[unobtrusive]

God causes men to be saved through election. This then results in His predestinating them for His purpose. He makes the choice not us. His foreknowledge is proginosko (entering into relationship beforehand), not prooida, (knowing about beforehand).

Sounds like God is a dictator. I read this scripture as all of us having a choice to believe or not. "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. (Matthew 16:25)

Who = the person
Whosoever = ἄν án, denoting a supposition, wish, what-, where-, wither-, who-)soever. Usually unexpressed except by the subjunctive or potential mood.
will = θέλω thélō, thel'-o .. to will, have in mind, intend, to be resolved or determined, to purpose, to desire, to wish, to love, to like to do a thing, be fond of doing, to take delight in, have pleasure.

He calls, we respond. It's called a loving camaraderie. Without that, there really can be no sincere relationship.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Where did you get this idea from?

"For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers and sisters.
And those he predestined, he also called; those he called, he also justified; those he justified, he also glorified."
R 8:29

First predestination (election), then calling and then justification.

You made it reversed, why?

All he is avering is ppl elect themselves. How dare God choose to save ppl w/o first asking them if its okay. Mancentric humanism at its apex.

 

[SovereignGrace]

Sounds like God is a dictator. I read this scripture as all of us having a choice to believe or not. "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. (Matthew 16:25)

Who = the person
Whosoever = ἄν án, denoting a supposition, wish, what-, where-, wither-, who-)soever. Usually unexpressed except by the subjunctive or potential mood.
will = θέλω thélō, thel'-o .. to will, have in mind, intend, to be resolved or determined, to purpose, to desire, to wish, to love, to like to do a thing, be fond of doing, to take delight in, have pleasure.

He calls, we respond. It's called a loving camaraderie. Without that, there really can be no sincere relationship.

No my friend. God is not a dictator as in Hitler, Vlad Dracula, Stalin, et al, but He has chosen those He has chosen to save. Ppl are dead in transgressions and sins. He must quicken those He chooses to save. Those He has chosen to save are found in places like Romans 8:28-30, Ephesians 1:4-11, John 1:11-13.

 

[preacher4truth]

He calls, we respond. It's called a loving camaraderie. Without that, there really can be no sincere relationship.

So you loved God while you were lost and came to Him out of sincerity?

 

[eternally-gratefull]

People come to God when they empty themselves and realize they have no hope, God is then able to teach them hat he did to save them,

god does not randomly chose people, that would be against his character, and buy rut into the lie of Satan which caused the fall to begin with,

 

[SovereignGrace]

By defending CI Scofield, you do know you are endorsing a well know tax cheat, fraudster, forger,drunk and emotional, physical abuser of women and and children, and a man who abandoned his first wife and kids and left them to starve...he was forced to resign and could not serve in public office because of all his scandals...

The History is there, now go learn about it and stop blindly supporting the devils own...

I did not know this about the man. But if true? Wowzers.

But I take this info with a grain of salt. We don't know how true the info is. And he's no longer alive to defend himself.

 

[SovereignGrace]

So you loved God while you were lost and came to Him out of sincerity?

Everybody loves God. ISIS, Muslims, LGBTQ, Mormons, SDA's, JW's, et al love Him!"

They praise Me with their lips...

 

[unobtrusive]

Sounds like God is a dictator. I read this scripture as all of us having a choice to believe or not. "For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it. (Matthew 16:25)

Who = the person
Whosoever = ἄν án, denoting a supposition, wish, what-, where-, wither-, who-)soever. Usually unexpressed except by the subjunctive or potential mood.
will = θέλω thélō, thel'-o .. to will, have in mind, intend, to be resolved or determined, to purpose, to desire, to wish, to love, to like to do a thing, be fond of doing, to take delight in, have pleasure.

He calls, we respond. It's called a loving camaraderie. Without that, there really can be no sincere relationship.

So you loved God while you were lost and came to Him out of sincerity?

That's facetious. Scripture says the truth. "We love him, because he first loved us." (1 John 4:19)

Salvation is our choice, whether we really desire it or not. Keep in mind that God loves the entire world according to John 3:16. I have heard that some innocent aborted babies will go to hell because God knew what they would become in their adult life. I don't agree with that because with God's foreknowledge, He already knew that they wouldn't reach adulthood. Some doctrines are just so convoluted.

"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord." (Joshua 24:15)

 

[Meggido]

I did not know this about the man. But if true? Wowzers.

But I take this info with a grain of salt. We don't know how true the info is. And he's no longer alive to defend himself.

Its in the history books....he was in Kansas legislature and then had to resign because of his scandals and marriage issues...his first wife divorced him for desertion and destitution<<<<this is proven by archives. There is a rumor he served time for his crimes in Kansas...and then had those records removed...but I will not say that is fact...the archive does not prove it...

He was heavily influenced by John Darby and Franciso Ribera

 

[preacher4truth]

That's facetious. Scripture says the truth. "We love him, because he first loved us." (1 John 4:19)

Nope, it's not facetious, it's biblical.

Right, that's the order, he loved all His elect first. You didn't come to him in sincerity and love as given in order to to support some false "anti-robotic" doctrine against biblical election (as if being elect makes men robots). Your response of love to him came at regeneration, and not prior as all lost hate God.

Salvation is our choice, whether we really desire it or not. Keep in mind that God loves the entire world according to John 3:16. I have heard that some innocent aborted babies will go to hell because God knew what they would become in their adult life. I don't agree with that because with God's foreknowledge, He already knew that they wouldn't reach adulthood. Some doctrines are just so convoluted.

Nope. Sorry. Salvation is not via choice, and you are incapable and unable to come to God in the first place. Note John 6 as it is clear to this point, and many, who hold disdain for God's Sovereign electing grace walk away from him at that point, note John 6:66.

Salvation is not by human decision, John 1:13; James 1:18; Romans 9:16 &c. These Scriptures clearly state salvation is not via human decision so you are incorrect. Other Scriptures prove faith a gift, stemming from God, Romans 10:17; Ephesians 1:19 denying the false teaching of inherent faith and decisionalism.

"And if it seem evil unto you to serve the Lord, choose you this day whom ye will serve; whether the gods which your fathers served that were on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."

Joshua 24:15

The above verse isn't a Gospel presentation or call to salvation. Joshua will minister to the LORD with his family, the rest he rebukes and says "choose one of your false gods" it doesn't say choose the one true God, nor does it say "do this and be saved" by way of implication.

Read the verse closely, you're eisegeting the text -- again, it isn't a Gospel invitation.

 

[BeyondET]

Nope, it's not facetious, it's biblical.

Right, that's the order, he loved all His elect first. You didn't come to him in sincerity and love as given in order to to support some false "anti-robotic" doctrine against biblical election (as if being elect makes men robots). Your response of love to him came at regeneration, and not prior as all lost hate God.



Nope. Sorry. Salvation is not via choice, and you are incapable and unable to come to God in the first place. Note John 6 as it is clear to this point, and many, who hold disdain for God's Sovereign electing grace walk away from him at that point, note John 6:66.

Salvation is not by human decision, John 1:13; James 1:18; Romans 9:16 &c. These Scriptures clearly state salvation is not via human decision so you are incorrect. Other Scriptures prove faith a gift, stemming from God, Romans 10:17; Ephesians 1:19 denying the false teaching of inherent faith and decisionalism.



The above verse isn't a Gospel presentation or call to salvation. Joshua will minister to the LORD with his family, the rest he rebukes and says "choose one of your false gods" it doesn't say choose the one true God, nor does it say "do this and be saved" by way of implication.

Read the verse closely, you're eisegeting the text -- again, it isn't a Gospel invitation.

Your Flat out dead wrong, you have to knock first, it's your choice to believe in Jesus, it's your call to walk away.

Jesus is not going to make that choice for you. He wants to know if your heart is true and wants to know him, He wants to know You but you have to make the choice to want to know Him.

To believe is a human choice.

 

[garee]

Yes, they claim that "Israel" will replace the church...

The Israel that have been born again... she is the church, the one bride of Christ. He is our husband

God who promised to name her a new named her Christian (residents of the city of Christ) as that will come down on the last day prepared as His bride, the church. For they are not all Christian that are Christians just as not all Israel is Israel

That seems difficult for some who glory in the flesh to understand perhaps mixing faith the unseen would benefit.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
.

 

[unobtrusive]

Nope, it's not facetious, it's biblical.

Right, that's the order, he loved all His elect first. You didn't come to him in sincerity and love as given in order to to support some false "anti-robotic" doctrine against biblical election (as if being elect makes men robots). Your response of love to him came at regeneration, and not prior as all lost hate God.

Nope. Sorry. Salvation is not via choice, and you are incapable and unable to come to God in the first place. Note John 6 as it is clear to this point, and many, who hold disdain for God's Sovereign electing grace walk away from him at that point, note John 6:66.

Salvation is not by human decision, John 1:13; James 1:18; Romans 9:16 &c. These Scriptures clearly state salvation is not via human decision so you are incorrect. Other Scriptures prove faith a gift, stemming from God, Romans 10:17; Ephesians 1:19 denying the false teaching of inherent faith and decisionalism.

The above verse isn't a Gospel presentation or call to salvation. Joshua will minister to the LORD with his family, the rest he rebukes and says "choose one of your false gods" it doesn't say choose the one true God, nor does it say "do this and be saved" by way of implication.

Read the verse closely, you're eisegeting the text -- again, it isn't a Gospel invitation.

What seems to us to be a long, drawn-out divine plan to restore that which was fallen (since Eden) was equally necessary. It might seem that God could have just stepped in after the fall in Eden and eliminated free will and the divine (fallen angels) and human rebels who had abused it. Then Eden would be ensured and that would be that, (the end).

While that would produce the desired end, the original means, (free participation in God’s creation by God’s free-will agents, designed to be like Him), would have been abandoned, amounting to a very flawed idea and spectacular failure. A resolution like that isn’t fitting or desired, for the God of the Bible. God’s original objective must come about in the way He intended.

 

[Meggido]

The Israel that have been born again... she is the church, the one bride of Christ. He is our husband

God who promised to name her a new named her Christian (residents of the city of Christ) as that will come down on the last day prepared as His bride, the church. For they are not all Christian that are Christians just as not all Israel is Israel

That seems difficult for some who glory in the flesh to understand perhaps mixing faith the unseen would benefit.

Rom 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
.

Replacement alert...

 

[unobtrusive]

Your Flat out dead wrong, you have to knock first, it's your choice to believe in Jesus, it's your call to walk away.

Jesus is not going to make that choice for you. He wants to know if your heart is true and wants to know him, He wants to know You but you have to make the choice to want to know Him.

To believe is a human choice.

Good point. Seems to me as being Biblical. Jesus knocks first, and then it's our turn whether we will let Him in or not. We must open the door he has offered to us, because He IS the door. (Revelation 3:20) "Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:" (Matthew 7:7)

We certainly do have a choice.

 

[preacher4truth]

Your Flat out dead wrong, you have to knock first, it's your choice to believe in Jesus, it's your call to walk away.

Utter baloney. Christ said we cannot come to God without the drawing, and teaches that we are unable "no man can come to me...". You say, no, we have to knock first. So, no need to wonder who is correct here because you're just making up your own little gospel of fairness that is not based in Scripture.

Frankly, your "we knock first" is heresy.

Furthermore I've given Scripture showing what I've stated that proves our salvation isn't via human decision. The Scriptures are plain and clear on this.

So, in essence, in your tradition, against the Word, you're saying the Word is wrong. Yep.

Your tradition > The Word of God in your own mind.

Now, go refute the actual Scriptures given to support your man made soteriology. It is also noted you provide not one Scripture, just your idea of how it should be based ion, well, nothing.

 

[Meggido]

Utter baloney. Christ said we cannot come to God without the drawing, and teaches that we are unable "no man can come to me...". You say, no, we have to knock first. So, no need to wonder who is correct here because you're just making up your own little gospel of fairness that is not based in Scripture.

Frankly, your "we knock first" is heresy.

Furthermore I've given Scripture showing what I've stated that proves our salvation isn't via human decision. The Scriptures are plain and clear on this.

So, in essence, in your tradition, against the Word, you're saying the Word is wrong. Yep.

Your tradition > The Word of God in your own mind.

Now, go refute the actual Scriptures given to support your man made soteriology. It is also noted you provide not one Scripture, just your idea of how it should be based ion, well, nothing.

maybe instead of bloviating over things, be intellectually honest and tell people you are a die hard predestination/elect, double predestination believer.....

Dear readers, this poster is a die hard Calvinist, TULIP planting and double predestination, believer....

tread carefully, he does not tell people so he can bloviate endless with you....