Baptism's role in salvation/gospel? if there is any.
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yep, only if one really baptized in to Christ will be save. Ritual is nothing God know the very deep in our hearth. There is a time where people warship in spirit and truth.
John 4
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
God interested in our heart, not physical appearances
John 4
20 Our fathers worshipped in this mountain; and ye say, that in Jerusalem is the place where men ought to worship.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.
26 Jesus saith unto her, I that speak unto thee am he.
God interested in our heart, not physical appearances
Sir,
Could you please show me one verse where baptism is shown to be a part of the gospel? Out of the 106 times that the gospel is mentioned in the new testament the only time baptism is mentioned concerning the gospel, we find Paul excluding it, he takes baptism out of the equation. Read 1 Cor 1:17 So, what authority do you have to insist that baptism needs to be a part of the gospel. Romans 1:16 says "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that beileveth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. The gospel is what saves. Now that a person is saved he/she can be obedient to the the commands of Christ starting with Baptism which identifies him/her with Christ. Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Did this occur before he was circumcised? Which is the Old Testament type of baptism. Yes it did look at Romans 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. Faith, belief, and salvation comes before baptism.
Could you please show me one verse where baptism is shown to be a part of the gospel? Out of the 106 times that the gospel is mentioned in the new testament the only time baptism is mentioned concerning the gospel, we find Paul excluding it, he takes baptism out of the equation. Read 1 Cor 1:17 So, what authority do you have to insist that baptism needs to be a part of the gospel. Romans 1:16 says "For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that beileveth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. The gospel is what saves. Now that a person is saved he/she can be obedient to the the commands of Christ starting with Baptism which identifies him/her with Christ. Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness. Did this occur before he was circumcised? Which is the Old Testament type of baptism. Yes it did look at Romans 4:12 And the father of circumcision to them who are not of the circumcision only, but who also walk in the steps of that faith of our father Abraham, which he had being yet uncircumcised. Faith, belief, and salvation comes before baptism.
Baptism is present and intertwined into the gospel as the point of forgiveness of sins. Belief is the path to forgiveness of sins but not the point (Acts 2:38).
The gospel presented in the New Testament does not save unto itself. Simply put, without the proper ordained response to the offered grace there is no forgiveness of sins.
The gospel presented in the New Testament does not save unto itself. Simply put, without the proper ordained response to the offered grace there is no forgiveness of sins.
Sir,
I have given you sound biblical evidence concerning the gospel and you continue to ignore it, you will not answer a direct question, rather you jump over clear teaching to try and arrive at your works based water dog conclusions. Sense you completely disregard clear bible doctrine concerning the gospel and salvation I must obey 2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: verse 11 for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Good day sir.
I have given you sound biblical evidence concerning the gospel and you continue to ignore it, you will not answer a direct question, rather you jump over clear teaching to try and arrive at your works based water dog conclusions. Sense you completely disregard clear bible doctrine concerning the gospel and salvation I must obey 2 John 1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: verse 11 for he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Good day sir.
Spiritual baptism by the Holy Spirit is what conversion or being saved...is.
Additional baptism with water is just like attending church and fellowshipping.
Good for the soul, but not required.
What Does the Bible Say About Baptism? - OpenBible.info
Additional baptism with water is just like attending church and fellowshipping.
Good for the soul, but not required.
What Does the Bible Say About Baptism? - OpenBible.info
No ordination is required:
19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
[h=3]What Does the Bible Say About Creation? [/h]
19For what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood from His workmanship, so that men are without excuse.
[h=3]What Does the Bible Say About Creation? [/h]
