Baptism's role in salvation/gospel? if there is any.
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Not at all. The thief was saved by grace through faith just as every soul is saved.
When you go through the book of Acts you always see Holy Spirit baptism unto salvation the water baptism follows but does not of itself save. There is not one verse in the bible that teaches water baptism for salvation. Not one where an unsaved person was converted by water. Only the Holy Spirit can effect the new birth in Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
When you go through the book of Acts you always see Holy Spirit baptism unto salvation the water baptism follows but does not of itself save. There is not one verse in the bible that teaches water baptism for salvation. Not one where an unsaved person was converted by water. Only the Holy Spirit can effect the new birth in Christ.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Only your gross misapplication of these verses suggests what you claim.
Water can only wash the outside when sin is an internal problem. The bible screams that forgiveness of sin is by grace, by the mercy of God, not water baptism.
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
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Roger
Water can only wash the outside when sin is an internal problem. The bible screams that forgiveness of sin is by grace, by the mercy of God, not water baptism.
Tit 3:5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
For the cause of Christ
Roger
It says there is one baptism. Not two, but one.
It also says it is the spirit (of the word) that avails a man and the flesh (of the word) avails a man nothing.
If a man tries to berate you into the letter instead of the spirit, he cannot help you because he says he can see when he is not clearly seeing.
There is one baptism as it says. If you have received the Spirit and you KNOW this, then you have received the baptism that avails a man.
To have a man perform a water baptism on you is the letter. To receive the Holy Spirit is the spirit.
Men can argue all they want but don't let them take you from the spirit and back to the letter.
It also says it is the spirit (of the word) that avails a man and the flesh (of the word) avails a man nothing.
If a man tries to berate you into the letter instead of the spirit, he cannot help you because he says he can see when he is not clearly seeing.
There is one baptism as it says. If you have received the Spirit and you KNOW this, then you have received the baptism that avails a man.
To have a man perform a water baptism on you is the letter. To receive the Holy Spirit is the spirit.
Men can argue all they want but don't let them take you from the spirit and back to the letter.
There is nothing in my posts that suggest we are not saved by grace. Grace is what gives us the opportunity to experience the forgiveness of sins. No one is saved simply because they acknowledge that the offer of grace exists. God's grace is an offer that must be properly accepted.
Peter was simply answering the question, "brothers what must we do?" when those is Acts 2 were looking for the proper response to their need for forgiveness.
Peter was simply answering the question, "brothers what must we do?" when those is Acts 2 were looking for the proper response to their need for forgiveness.
This is how, in my opinion, that we are baptized into Jesus... from Romans 6....
when the apostles taught baptism, they meant water baptism... that was the only kind of baptism the people of that time knew.... whenever the apostles said "you must be baptized".... the listeners KNEW what they were talking about. Water baptism.
when the apostles taught baptism, they meant water baptism... that was the only kind of baptism the people of that time knew.... whenever the apostles said "you must be baptized".... the listeners KNEW what they were talking about. Water baptism.
Hi again Mr!
You still have some believers that Paul felt that water baptism was not sufficient. He asked what baptism they received and they answered, johns baptism (water) but we haven't heard of any baptism with the Holy Spirit.
And john said, I baptize you in water but one is coming who will baptize you in the Spirit.
So...
anyone else notice christianity is losing everything its got fast?
first they removed repentance, then they get rid of water baptism and switch it to some spirit baptism.
now all we got left is believe. even thats too difficult now, they are changing it to where u dont need to necessarily believe in Jesus, any religion will do. even thats a little bit too difficult, maybe everybodys just saved automatically. thats the next step
first they removed repentance, then they get rid of water baptism and switch it to some spirit baptism.
now all we got left is believe. even thats too difficult now, they are changing it to where u dont need to necessarily believe in Jesus, any religion will do. even thats a little bit too difficult, maybe everybodys just saved automatically. thats the next step
Grace is that which transforms us from dead in sin to alive in Christ. Grace does far more than give us an opportunity to experience forgiveness.
The jailer asked what must I do to be saved.
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
The jailer asked what must I do to be saved.
Acts 16:30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
For the cause of Christ
Roger