As all Calvinists do
Yes. Christians. The church.
You freely chose to respond to my post.
And whether you believe it or not, you freely chose to believe on Jesus Christ.
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If a person CANNOT do anything on their own to be reconciled to God without God first saving them, imploring people to be reconciled to God is useless and pointless.
Yes. Christians. The church.
You freely chose to respond to my post.
And whether you believe it or not, you freely chose to believe on Jesus Christ.
Yes. Christians. The church.
You freely chose to respond to my post.
And whether you believe it or not, you freely chose to believe on Jesus Christ.
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When talking about the wedding feast some declined and others were sought to fill up the dinning area.
Once the invitation is given, you may choose to accept or not.
I see both of you as half right
Once the invitation is given, you may choose to accept or not.
I see both of you as half right
As all Calvinists do
LOL believe that if you like. It rids it of all meaning, I prefer Paul who spoke of US. 'Who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to His own purpose and grace which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began'
No man freely chooses anything
LOL believe that if you like. It rids it of all meaning, I prefer Paul who spoke of US. 'Who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to His own purpose and grace which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began'
No man freely chooses anything
Lynn I have already explained predestination in my first post in this thread it simply was not accepted and I wasn't criticizing you in fact my post about the scriptures wasn't aimed towards you at all it was aimed at me and everyone who tries to use scriptures to prove their point. I was making a point that we can use all the scriptures we want but it doesn't seem to work very well.
And the scripture you gave doesn't go with predestination, according to predestination true Jesus is the bread of life but only to the chosen elect but here Jesus says everyone who looks to the son and believes in him will have eternal life, key word everyone not some not the chosen elect everyone.
And the scripture you gave doesn't go with predestination, according to predestination true Jesus is the bread of life but only to the chosen elect but here Jesus says everyone who looks to the son and believes in him will have eternal life, key word everyone not some not the chosen elect everyone.
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Lets see
1. Adam chose to rebell. And take the fruit from his wife and eat
2. Noah chose to spend a heart building an ark
3. Abraham chose to leave his family and go to a place God asked him to go
4. Moses chose to murder a man, then leave and after God spoke to him, return and lead Gods people out of Egypt
5. King David chose to not go with him army, Call out a maiden he saw naked, Go into her, Kill her husband
6. Daniel chose not to eat of the kings finest, but obey his God, and chose pray to his god knowing the possible consequences.
7. The 12 chose to follow God, even though 1 chose to do it not out of faith, but out of greed,
Men freely choose all the time..
1. Adam chose to rebell. And take the fruit from his wife and eat
2. Noah chose to spend a heart building an ark
3. Abraham chose to leave his family and go to a place God asked him to go
4. Moses chose to murder a man, then leave and after God spoke to him, return and lead Gods people out of Egypt
5. King David chose to not go with him army, Call out a maiden he saw naked, Go into her, Kill her husband
6. Daniel chose not to eat of the kings finest, but obey his God, and chose pray to his god knowing the possible consequences.
7. The 12 chose to follow God, even though 1 chose to do it not out of faith, but out of greed,
Men freely choose all the time..
There is a difference in throwing scripture at people and using it, it's all on how you use the scriptures. I don't tend to use them to prove my point I prefer to use them to help others to grow and to give encouragement because the bible is not a tool of war just prove our believes it can be used in many ways.
And yes your correct no man chooses heaven they choose Christ and he is the way to heaven.
And yes your correct no man chooses heaven they choose Christ and he is the way to heaven.
When God says so? Will you tell Him? I daren't.
Who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to His own purpose and grace which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
It says HE did it. So when He did it is reassuring but irrelevant. It was His personal choice and 'not according to our works but according to His own purpose and grace'. This has a personal distinction. They were chosen 'according to His own purpose and grace' Your interpretation (if it can be called that) is total flaccid, if not to say insulting to God,
Not at all, I chose according to my disposition
No God dragged me in protesting all the way.
Who saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works but according to His own purpose and grace which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began
It says HE did it. So when He did it is reassuring but irrelevant. It was His personal choice and 'not according to our works but according to His own purpose and grace'. This has a personal distinction. They were chosen 'according to His own purpose and grace' Your interpretation (if it can be called that) is total flaccid, if not to say insulting to God,
Not at all, I chose according to my disposition
No God dragged me in protesting all the way.
That's true, there are no doubt many hard-core Calvinists who are our brothers in Christ. Anyone born again of the gift of the Holy Spirit is our brother in Christ.
There is a day coming when every Christian will know the truth on every aspect of doctrine, myself obviously included.
I was not wishing harm on my Calvinist brethren. I will just be glad when they understand the truth, that believing Calvinism was a bad choice.
One day ALL bickering on doctrine will cease because we'll ALL know the truth.
I can't wait for that day.
There is a day coming when every Christian will know the truth on every aspect of doctrine, myself obviously included.
I was not wishing harm on my Calvinist brethren. I will just be glad when they understand the truth, that believing Calvinism was a bad choice.
One day ALL bickering on doctrine will cease because we'll ALL know the truth.
I can't wait for that day.
One of the most amazing things regarding spiritual matters is that those who have been indoctrinated in false beliefs and are entrenched in them simply double down in their errors rather than abandon them for the truth. It seems that pride and ego are at the root of this attitude, and Christians generally hate correction (even when they need it desperately).
If one has a teachable heart then they will learn to leave an opening for correction, the thing is some confuse correction with attacks and other simply refuse to budge in their views even if they are shown their error by three or more brothers and sisters.
Then you have to consider who the correction is coming from, for instance if I receive correction or am told I am in the wrong if it comes from someone who I know has a certain distaste for me I am not so prone to receive the correction until I can get a confirmation from a brother or sister that I know well and trust.
Then you have to consider who the correction is coming from, for instance if I receive correction or am told I am in the wrong if it comes from someone who I know has a certain distaste for me I am not so prone to receive the correction until I can get a confirmation from a brother or sister that I know well and trust.
I have been guilty of this myself, it's a constant lesson that we never truly learn we will always be in error in some manner because as long as we are in the flesh we will have flaws in our understanding and it's human nature to error after all even with the holy spirit. But in seeking after him with a passion and hunger he will guide us and lead us in all things, because after all he is the best teacher and a teacher cannot teach someone who thinks they know all the answers. It takes a humble student
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Sometimes it is pride and ego, however, for me it was just not knowing any better, allowing myself to be indoctrinated by books written by men, believing the Christian world, that they were great men of God.
I rather know less, than know a lot and be sure of what I know
Correction was well worth it and it was freedom
I rather know less, than know a lot and be sure of what I know
Correction was well worth it and it was freedom
Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. hahhaha yeah I know, but could not resist hahahha
hahhaha yeah I know, but could not resist hahahha
Our 7 year old daughter sits amazed with questions when we read Scripture and asks "How?" and "Why?" and we tell her that God is incomprehensible in so many ways that it blows our mind.
We talked to her about how God has always existed. It is mind boggling, we cannot wrap our thoughts around that. So the bottom line is we believe these things, we accept what he has revealed by faith, yet we cannot understand them well.
Exactly why I love the description of God's throne in Ezekiel and the testimony of how high God is and how high his ways are above us in Isaiah......I think of how much power is contained in the atoms of a few pounds of Uranium and then look at all of creation and just shake my head at the immense power of our God and the fact he wants me as his son, friend and child......