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Then why did God force neberchudnezzer to change??? Or Moses to obey after 3 times of thinking he's the wrong man???
God gave neberchudnezzer a mind of an animal eating wild with claw nails then turned him back, & neberchudnezzer said, roughly, God does everything, and allows or denies everything.
God is the same always, yes? So why make him different in the new testament? God never changes...
God gave neberchudnezzer a mind of an animal eating wild with claw nails then turned him back, & neberchudnezzer said, roughly, God does everything, and allows or denies everything.
God is the same always, yes? So why make him different in the new testament? God never changes...
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Those spiritual truths were things only his children needed to see. Those who had already come to him in faith. The gospel is not a hidden truth, Romans 1 makes that clear. Not only is it easily seen, all the world knows about it, but they HIDE IT IN THEIR HEART because they LOVED SIN MORE.
There is no excuse because what can be known about God is CLEARLY SEEN.
You can nbot look at creation, and not see the riches of Gods love.. Yet the lie of satan is God is not love.
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God did not force anyone to do anything, He did things that CAUSED them to chose to repent. But he never forced anyone, If he could force someone, He would not have to turn people into animals, or have them swallowed by great fish, or continue to put road blocks in front of people to guilds their way.
I am thankful God does that for me.. and he gets the credit, because it was me that tried to fight him to begin with, and he never gave up on me, or them.
Hello hanahcorn,
The Lord is impartial (1 Peter 1:17; James 3:17), and therefore predestined people to be with Him for cause.
Those who are predestined to be with Him are those whom the Lord foresaw before the earth came into being, who would believe in love, truth, justice, mercy, and walking humbly with Him (Micah 5:8).
1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Micah 5:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
The Lord is impartial (1 Peter 1:17; James 3:17), and therefore predestined people to be with Him for cause.
Those who are predestined to be with Him are those whom the Lord foresaw before the earth came into being, who would believe in love, truth, justice, mercy, and walking humbly with Him (Micah 5:8).
1 Peter 1:17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
James 3:17 But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy.
Micah 5:8 He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the Lord require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God?
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lol.. Is this what you think it is?? Ok
The people did great things for God. So I doubt they complained after the fact. As I said, I thank God for every time he did this for me, and the people I have witnessed this happen to. That thank God also.
But to force people against their will. By just forcing their will to follow Gods will. Thats ok with you.
lol..
The people did great things for God. So I doubt they complained after the fact. As I said, I thank God for every time he did this for me, and the people I have witnessed this happen to. That thank God also.
But to force people against their will. By just forcing their will to follow Gods will. Thats ok with you.
lol..
eternally-gratefull <sic> doesn't study Scripture, accept Scripture, exegete Scripture. He simply tells us all what God should be like, what hoops he should jump through, how he should run the world, what he needs to do to be fair to eg and everyone else, and how he needs to operate the Gospel.
If he doesn't do all these things he cannot be his God.
Imagine telling God the rules he must succumb to in order to be your God. Who does that make god, exactly?
This is called, quite frankly, making your own god, i.e. idolatry. It is exactly what a Romans 9:20 person does, time, and again. It's like the disciples who turned away from Christ, and for the exact same reason in John 6:66 because they didn't like John 6:63ff.
If he doesn't do all these things he cannot be his God.
Imagine telling God the rules he must succumb to in order to be your God. Who does that make god, exactly?
This is called, quite frankly, making your own god, i.e. idolatry. It is exactly what a Romans 9:20 person does, time, and again. It's like the disciples who turned away from Christ, and for the exact same reason in John 6:66 because they didn't like John 6:63ff.
P4t.
I read your posts and have given likes. I read EG's posts and have given likes.
You study scripture and research and come to conclusions and expand them here.
EG does the same.
I have to be honest here I think you have been harsh towards a fellow brother and come across as accusing him of idolatry.
He may have come across as the same.
I have been reading posts on this thread, so if he had then I have missed it.
I think the point I am trying to make is that as brothers in Jesus we are called to love each other and build each other up in love.
Not tear each other apart.
I can't say I'm innocent always regarding this.
The truth is and it applies to us all
John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
I read your posts and have given likes. I read EG's posts and have given likes.
You study scripture and research and come to conclusions and expand them here.
EG does the same.
I have to be honest here I think you have been harsh towards a fellow brother and come across as accusing him of idolatry.
He may have come across as the same.
I have been reading posts on this thread, so if he had then I have missed it.
I think the point I am trying to make is that as brothers in Jesus we are called to love each other and build each other up in love.
Not tear each other apart.
I can't say I'm innocent always regarding this.
The truth is and it applies to us all
John 13:34-35
34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; as I have loved you, that you also love one another. 35 By this all will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.”
I couldn't care less if you like my posts or not. It makes no difference if you click the like button.
Will disagree here too. EG doesn't study Scripture, he draws his own picture and his views will never grow into true revelation through careful study or exegesis.
Which is true and he has.
May have? You mean you're biased, unsure, and don't care to bother finding out.
Uh-huh.
First off, I figured you would chime in the way you have as I noted you on the thread. You also assume who is unloving as if you know the person.
Guess what? You don't.
Now I'm going to be just as honest with you.
I've watched you cater to the likes of PeterJens and others of his ilk who preached a false gospel day in and day out, tell us all how nice he is, what a nice guy he is in PM while he publicly slammed others, said they were lost, blasphemed the work of Christ' and much much more. You did in fact patronize the heretic. You defended him when he preached his false message telling others they misunderstood.
No, my friend, we understood it perfectly.
To be honest I lost a vast amount of respect for you and your stance took a hit as well.
The god EG is espousing isn't what Scripture reveals.
He lied about my statements.
He accuses of attacking because the word "ignorant" is used.
I called him on it. You don't like it. To be honest I couldn't care less BillG.
I'll continue to defend the Gospel and nature of God against the false teachings of EG. You'll continue to call those who take a stand unloving and offer a rebuke for those who stand on truth and the Gospel, never making a Biblical stand yourself, and patronize PJ and those of his ilk.
Will disagree here too. EG doesn't study Scripture, he draws his own picture and his views will never grow into true revelation through careful study or exegesis.
Which is true and he has.
May have? You mean you're biased, unsure, and don't care to bother finding out.
Uh-huh.
First off, I figured you would chime in the way you have as I noted you on the thread. You also assume who is unloving as if you know the person.
Guess what? You don't.
Now I'm going to be just as honest with you.
I've watched you cater to the likes of PeterJens and others of his ilk who preached a false gospel day in and day out, tell us all how nice he is, what a nice guy he is in PM while he publicly slammed others, said they were lost, blasphemed the work of Christ' and much much more. You did in fact patronize the heretic. You defended him when he preached his false message telling others they misunderstood.
No, my friend, we understood it perfectly.
To be honest I lost a vast amount of respect for you and your stance took a hit as well.
The god EG is espousing isn't what Scripture reveals.
He lied about my statements.
He accuses of attacking because the word "ignorant" is used.
I called him on it. You don't like it. To be honest I couldn't care less BillG.
I'll continue to defend the Gospel and nature of God against the false teachings of EG. You'll continue to call those who take a stand unloving and offer a rebuke for those who stand on truth and the Gospel, never making a Biblical stand yourself, and patronize PJ and those of his ilk.
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If salvation were by fiat, all of Israel would have been saved. But since the majority of Israel rejected Christ, it is crystal clear that Israel was given THE OPPORTUNITY TO REPENT but failed to do so.
The whole Calvinistic theory of God "electing" some to be saved falls apart when we see what happened in Israel. The Israelites were God's "chosen" (elect) people. Yet the whole nation of Israel was NOT saved. Which proves that God elects no one for salvation, but offers salvation to all. However, there are two conditions which have to be met, which means obedience to the Gospel. And the Jews failed to obey the Gospel (generally). Thus we have this Scripture (Rom 10:19-21):
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
The whole Calvinistic theory of God "electing" some to be saved falls apart when we see what happened in Israel. The Israelites were God's "chosen" (elect) people. Yet the whole nation of Israel was NOT saved. Which proves that God elects no one for salvation, but offers salvation to all. However, there are two conditions which have to be met, which means obedience to the Gospel. And the Jews failed to obey the Gospel (generally). Thus we have this Scripture (Rom 10:19-21):
19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
20 But Esaias is very bold, and saith, I was found of them that sought me not; I was made manifest unto them that asked not after me.
21 But to Israel he saith, All day long I have stretched forth my hands unto a disobedient and gainsaying people.
To be honest to me what matters is
Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Whether we believe they were predestined or not, for me is not a hill to die on.
Jesus died on a hill so that anyone who calls on his name as per above are saved.
Whether we agree or disagree on doctrine is irrelevant as long as it does not detract from salvation by faith in Jesus and confessing that. Then God works his purpose.
We will disagree on certain points but as believers we are all Gods children, washed by the blood of Jesus.
Jesus who calls us to love one another. And even if we disagree we must remember we are fellow partakers of the mercy of God.
We are all called to like Jesus and walk the way he did.
To me that should be our focus.
Romans 10:8-13
8 But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith which we preach): 9 that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the Scripture says, “Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame.” 12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. 13 For “whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved.”
Whether we believe they were predestined or not, for me is not a hill to die on.
Jesus died on a hill so that anyone who calls on his name as per above are saved.
Whether we agree or disagree on doctrine is irrelevant as long as it does not detract from salvation by faith in Jesus and confessing that. Then God works his purpose.
We will disagree on certain points but as believers we are all Gods children, washed by the blood of Jesus.
Jesus who calls us to love one another. And even if we disagree we must remember we are fellow partakers of the mercy of God.
We are all called to like Jesus and walk the way he did.
To me that should be our focus.
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sadly, many maintstream churches do not teach this, I remember growing up being told only baptists would get to heaven, that everyone else was teaching false teachings, and wer emost likely headed to hell. And we should defend Gods truth at all costs. I grew up seeing people attack instead of discuss. Mastered that form of discussion myself. Until God finally Got ahold of me convinced me to stop following men, and start to study for myself. Come to find many of us believe the same, the areas most disagree are not even salvic doctrines, and when Gods people fight over these doctrines, it gives us and God a bad name.
Were you like Jesus when you patronized false teachers with a heretical gospel paving the way for them to be heard and have an audience?
Did that follow NT doctrine? Since not, how is that following Christ?
It's funny because here is what you're doing: you're telling others you know their heart, that you're like Jesus and they just aren't.
Did that follow NT doctrine? Since not, how is that following Christ?
It's funny because here is what you're doing: you're telling others you know their heart, that you're like Jesus and they just aren't.
