Is The Book of Revelation a False Prophecy?

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ComeLordJesus

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The verse applies to all false jews, not just the ones you speak of. He will make them all worship at his feet.

Why are you so skeptical the Zionist jews destroying your society and enslaving your brethren are not "chosen" or "blood" to Israel? You don't want to believe you have been deceived and require a perspective change?
At the point and time we're talking about in Rev. it is the Samaritans that are being discussed don't try and make it anything other than that.
 
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At the point and time we're talking about in Rev. it is the Samaritans that are being discussed don't try and make it anything other than that.
I'm gonna have to focus on 13:9 instead of 3:9 with you, sorry.:(
 

stillness

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We have to give up preconceived ideas, to learn and not be turned away from the simplicity of Christ; that includes everything We have learned. We are slow learners but interpretation of parables is consistent in the bible. What is revealed in one parable applies to further understand, like a puzzle that fits together.
 

posthuman

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Haha. I guess I was going for a click bait title.

Do you think Revelation is a preconceived notion?

Kinda seems like that to me.

So I guess your interpretation is Revelation is at best amoral, and at worst nihilism?

Hmmm... I now have an idea for another click bait title...
Nope. I wrote about preconception of morality. Not about the Revelation John saw and heard. False equivalency
 

posthuman

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Ya apparently he can shoot you through the heart...
Well, cut, not shoot. Swordlike and whatnot. Tho the record shows He is fond of throwing rocks from space, if you want to talk projectile.

Interestingly I watched a Chinese movie last weekend with poorly translated subtitles.. People were obviously talking about being stabbed and cut with swords but the text kept rendering it as 'shot' even though it was set in a time period way before guns.

Sometimes the concepts still get through to us while we are using very wrong vocabulary
 
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Hello CainHarmbank,

I couldn't help notice that in your post you mention "angels in heaven eating the flesh of men." What scripture exactly are you referring to? Because there is no scripture in Revelation where angels eat the flesh of men.

Thanks!
Revelation 19:17-18.

What do those verses mean to you?
 
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Everyone should stop with the "interpreting" and just read/study and understand.
All the not understanding is a result of "interpreting". ( Making it support what you believe)
Ok so as I understand it, Revelation ends with a new heaven and earth. Has this come to pass yet as you understand it?
 

Ahwatukee

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Revelation 19:17-18.

What do those verses mean to you?
Greetings CainHarmbank,

Below is the scripture in question:

"Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.” - Rev.19:17-18

Rev.19:11-21 is a detailed account of the second coming, i.e. Christ's return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. As the Lord is returning, an angel will be gathering all the birds of the air for the supper of the great God, which is referring to when all of those kings and their armies will be killed by that double-edged sword, which is figurative representing the word of God. At that time "the birds" will eat the flesh of those killed as revealed in Rev.19:21. In your original post, you have the angels eating the flesh of those killed, which is false. The birds that the angel will have gathered are those who will eat their flesh.

I hope that this clears things up.
 
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Yes, this format doesn't seem to work very well for actual Bible study does it?
Regarding this thread. The answer is a resounding- NO The Book of Revelation IS NOT a false prophecy.
Case closed.
Hi there,

If it is a true prophecy, it must have all been proven accurate, symbolically or literally, and has come to pass right? If it hasn't happened yet, you can't say its true can you?
 
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Greetings CainHarmbank,

Below is the scripture in question:

"Then I saw an angel standing in the sun, and he cried out in a loud voice to all the birds flying overhead, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, so that you may eat the flesh of kings and commanders and mighty men, of horses and riders, of all men slave and free, small and great.” - Rev.19:17-18

Rev.19:11-21 is a detailed account of the second coming, i.e. Christ's return to the earth to end the age and establish his millennial kingdom. As the Lord is returning, an angel will be gathering all the birds of the air for the supper of the great God, which is referring to when all of those kings and their armies will be killed by that double-edged sword, which is figurative representing the word of God. At that time "the birds" will eat the flesh of those killed as revealed in Rev.19:21. In your original post, you have the angels eating the flesh of those killed, which is false. The birds that the angel will have gathered are those who will eat their flesh.

I hope that this clears things up.
Oh sorry I thought birds in heaven meant angels.

Anyway, do you think Jesus will be able to literally conquer all nations with his words?
 

Ahwatukee

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Well for starters do you think Revelation is a preconceived notion?
The purpose of the book of Revelation is exactly what is stated in the very first verse:


"This is the revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants what must soon come to pass."


Since it is God the Father who gave the information contained within Revelation to Jesus Christ to show believers the things that must soon take place, then, yes, I would say that this was preconceived by God to reveal this information to us. I'm sure that God had this in mind before the word began. After all, scripture states that our names were all written in the book of life before the world began. As far as it being preconceived by John, he knew nothing about this information until it was revealed to him by the angel that Jesus sent to give him all of these visions and information of what would take place leading up to the end of the age.
 

Ahwatukee

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Oh sorry I thought birds in heaven meant angels.

Anyway, do you think Jesus will be able to literally conquer all nations with his words?
Jesus being God, do you really need to ask that question? By the time Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, the results of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will have decimated the majority of the earths population and dismantled all human governments. At that time, the Lord will have the beast and the false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20). Those kings and their armies and all who worshiped the beast, his image and received his mark, he will kill by the word of his mouth. And he will have Satan captured and thrown into the Abyss where he will be restricted during the thousand years (Rev.20:1-7).
 

Dino246

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Hi there,

If it is a true prophecy, it must have all been proven accurate, symbolically or literally, and has come to pass right? If it hasn't happened yet, you can't say its true can you?
That depends on the source of the prophecy. If it's just a person, you are correct. If it is God, you are incorrect. God's word is certain, whether it has happened yet or not. The only issue is that prophecies are sometimes couched in terms which are not clear, such as with the feet of mixed iron and clay in Daniel. There will certainly be such a "kingdom", but which one, and whether it has yet come to pass, are not so clear. Still, the issue is with our inability to understand, not with the truth of the prophecy.
 
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And you guess, because you don't really want to put any effort into getting answers to your question. See the game? I sure do.
I have no idea what you're talking about but you seem to be taking a pretty accusatory tone with me. I guess you really don't want to chat with me. Oh well.
 

stand2

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Oh sorry I thought birds in heaven meant angels.

Anyway, do you think Jesus will be able to literally conquer all nations with his words?
Conquer all nations ?? He could obliterate the earth with only one word. Never sell the power of God short.
 
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Jesus being God, do you really need to ask that question? By the time Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, the results of the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments, will have decimated the majority of the earths population and dismantled all human governments. At that time, the Lord will have the beast and the false prophet thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20). Those kings and their armies and all who worshiped the beast, his image and received his mark, he will kill by the word of his mouth. And he will have Satan captured and thrown into the Abyss where he will be restricted during the thousand years (Rev.20:1-7).
Oh my. What has the majority of world's population done now to invite being decimated by God?
 

Ahwatukee

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Hi there,

If it is a true prophecy, it must have all been proven accurate, symbolically or literally, and has come to pass right? If it hasn't happened yet, you can't say its true can you?
Actually, we can say that it is true and that because we are seeing the prophecy for the mark of the beast taking shape. For the last couple of years, companies in Sweden and her sister countries have been implanting their employees with RFID chips under the skin of the hand, with one of its purposes to electronically make purchases, which would a testimony of the truth and accuracy of God's word. There are also companies now in the US following applying this same technology. Click on the links below. There are many other proofs of what is coming besides information regarding the coming mark.

Swedish office staff offered implants to access facilities - BBC News

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...C5293894ECC971F10B69C5293894ECC971F&FORM=VIRE

Company to install microchips in employees
 
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Nope. I wrote about preconception of morality. Not about the Revelation John saw and heard. False equivalency
It seems many people believe God will have to destroy most of the world at a future time so God can create a new world. Is this not a preconception of morality?