Prophets Amongst Us

[7seasrekeyed]

Oh I see, honestly I have never heard them before but they sound dangerous. There are actually a lot of spiritual hungry people out there and plenty of them are Christians and those kinds of people lack discernment and are drawn to such groups. Sadly though I think they will last because more than I would like to admit the spiritual fanatics are actually very very common within the church and this is why I am so concerned about the (supposed prophets) Or the ( spiritual teachers) because as I have said many times words have power and many who lack discernment will follow such people without question and it angers me how some of these alleged prophets and teachers so brazely do this without any regard to the damage they are doing to people.

we disagree on their lasting, but there will always be false whatevers around as long as the final curtain has not been drawn

God allows things for a certain time..you may agree He is always shaking things to see what falls out...(well He knows but He proves all things and so should we) but you can only follow the false so far and then it collapses because there is no substance to it...

this is something I have seen repeated a good number of times in my lifetime...both with ministries and even singularly with individuals...there are principals at work that continue and I do believe this is one

God is angry at the shepherds who feed themselves on his sheep...OT words...but the sheep need to follow the Good Shepherd and not a hireling or even a man or woman with disregard for the word

I totally agree on the harm and it's like God has to muscle His way in (metaphorically speaking) and shake people to get their attention and have them see the false they follow

I just often find myself saying 'God have mercy'

 

[Blain]

we disagree on their lasting, but there will always be false whatevers around as long as the final curtain has not been drawn

God allows things for a certain time..you may agree He is always shaking things to see what falls out...(well He knows but He proves all things and so should we) but you can only follow the false so far and then it collapses because there is no substance to it...

this is something I have seen repeated a good number of times in my lifetime...both with ministries and even singularly with individuals...there are principals at work that continue and I do believe this is one

God is angry at the shepherds who feed themselves on his sheep...OT words...but the sheep need to follow the Good Shepherd and not a hireling or even a man or woman with disregard for the word

I totally agree on the harm and it's like God has to muscle His way in (metaphorically speaking) and shake people to get their attention and have them see the false they follow

I just often find myself saying 'God have mercy'

I know I myself had to learn the way, but then again that seems to be the only way I learn things lol. I used to be one of these spiritually hungry Christians and I have of course complained several times on here the damage the false teachers and prophets did to me but I am grateful that God showed me my error even if I had to receive correction in a way that I would have not prefered. Maybe that is why I am so protectively angry because I have been there and the fact that these types of people continue to do this to his children without any kind of regard to what they are doing just really really urks me and that is candy coating it lol

 

[miknik5]

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A prophet will speak to the body as to particular calls to the individual. Or will be sent to one in a special need. And even speak of a future event in ones life.

But, preaching should always be revelation of Jesus, faith, or whatever Holy Spirit wants to reveal to His own. And that's just not prophets.

No he won’t

A prophet (a self proclaimed man) would neither call himself a prophet because he knows he is nothing more than a member of the ONE who as the HEAD over HIS OWN BODY by HIS OWN SPIRIT can appoint and direct the members of HIS BODY as HE purposrs

and in fact does according to HIS PURPOSE

 

[miknik5]

John, the greatest born of woman did not proclaim himself a prophet but a voice/a herald/a witness pointing all to CHRIST alone


And that’s what we ate

Witnesss b THA WITNSS in us
Tedtifying to ONE TRURH


Jesus Christ and the message of THE CROSS which alone is the hidden wisdom of GOD made known to mortal men

Is there anything more wiser than THE GOSPEL that a “self proclaimed prophet” needs to reveal?

 

[stonesoffire]

No he won’t

A prophet (a self proclaimed man) would neither call himself a prophet because he knows he is nothing more than a member of the ONE who as the HEAD over HIS OWN BODY by HIS OWN SPIRIT can appoint and direct the members of HIS BODY as HE purposrs

and in fact does according to HIS PURPOSE

In essence you are telling Paul that his setup of a fellowship is wrong.

I love the prophets that have ministered to me. They see the heart in the same manner as Jesus saw. And when I first became ill, I was completely alone. All my family was away including my husband. The Lord sent a prophet to me to give me the Word of encouragement and prayed for me in power.

They have a great purpose in the body of Christ, and so do all others of the 5 fold.

A pastor and teachers - good. All together? Greater.

There are many who label themselves as prophet this, apostle that. Others who stroke fleshy egos, and all these things put a dark cloud over the true. These things happen to cause confusion. And we all know who is the author.

 

[miknik5]

In essence you are telling Paul that his setup of a fellowship is wrong.

I love the prophets that have ministered to me. They see the heart in the same manner as Jesus saw. And when I first became ill, I was completely alone. All my family was away including my husband. The Lord sent a prophet to me to give me the Word of encouragement and prayed for me in power.

They have a great purpose in the body of Christ, and so do all others of the 5 fold.

A pastor and teachers - good. All together? Greater.

There are many who label themselves as prophet this, apostle that. Others who stroke fleshy egos, and all these things put a dark cloud over the true. These things happen to cause confusion. And we all know who is the author.

a prophet reveals nothing more than what has been laid to the foundation. And since those 12 foundations have the names of the 12 apostles, there shouldn’t be anything else added to the foundation

forth telling is sufficient
fore telling isnt


since there is nothing that should be added to what has been given us

That is progressing above the head of the body and adding to the doctrine of CHRIST
Do not go beyond the teachings of the apostles
Thats a no no

 

[Lucy-Pevensie]

Everyone who is born is potentially a prophet. Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” What greater passage in the Bible is there, to make the case against abortion? For we don’t know whom God designated to be a prophet, among those who are in a womb.

I know that scripture is quoted often by many people who apply it to EVERYONE. Not that The Lord can't and doesn't use it on a personal level sometimes but it really is a very specific Messianic prophecy about the unique conception of Jesus.
No one else was ever "formed in their mother's womb" THAT way. Nor ever will be again. Formed, not through a normal pregnancy brought about by a man and a woman. Not an insemination. He was unique, and he existed before he was conceived. That is why it's worded like that. It's not really a blanket scripture that can applied in the same way to everyone.

Please don't anyone jump down my throat and accuse me of trying to justify abortion. I am NOT doing that. I am not arguing a case for abortion.

Having said that we do not know at what point The Lord places the spirit into a new child.
I know some people think it is at the point of conception but I don't think that is provable. We also do not know if human spirits are created BEFORE conception. In the case of Jesus we do.

“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you,
before you were born I set you apart;
I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”


This scripture is about Jesus. A prophet to the nations. Not every prophet.

A woman (or young girl) who is brutally gang-raped can conceive from the rapist. Would that be God's doing? Would that be God "forming someone in the womb"? I don't think so and I don't think prophets are being killed off in abortion clinics.

 

[Ellsworth1943]

If by prophet you mean one who proclaims the Gospel as revealed in the Word of God, than all believers should be prophets.
If by prophet you mean one like Daniel who reveals a future event not previously know or recorded in the Word of God,
NO there are none. Anyone who claims differently is a false prophet and is of Satan and should be ignored.

 

[Dino246]

a prophet reveals nothing more than what has been laid to the foundation. And since those 12 foundations have the names of the 12 apostles, there shouldn’t be anything else added to the foundation

forth telling is sufficient
fore telling isnt


since there is nothing that should be added to what has been given us

That is progressing above the head of the body and adding to the doctrine of CHRIST
Do not go beyond the teachings of the apostles
Thats a no no

I may be misinterpreting what you're saying, so please clarify.

What I read in your post is that a prophet may speak absolutely nothing other than Scripture. Given that, why have prophets at all? Why not just tell people to read the Scriptures?

Why do you think that everything a prophet speaks is "adding to the doctrine of Christ"? Is it not possible that God would send someone to speak His message into a specific situation without that message being considered "scripture"?

 

[ComeLordJesus]

Blain I was referring specifically to the NAR movement (I didn't say that in my post though so how would know it? )..the NAR is the New Apostolic Reformation and they believe they are going to usher in an earthly kingdom and their focus is on supernatural everything but you cannot find most of it in scripture. they are doing a good job of drowning out what is true but in my opinion, this is not going to last. they are going to fold and many things will come to light. that's my opinion. won't happen today or tomorrow though.

I've 'experienced' things myself Blain...but I don't talk about them here and I disagree with how the spiritual walk we have is talked about here...WOF and so on.

I agree with going too far in one direction or another and Paul said let everything be done decently and in order

many reject the Holy Spirit and many accept and are accepting a spirit that is not from God

this speaks to doctrines of demons in either direction IMO, and that is sure not going to win me a popularity contenst LOL!

Is the NAR movement the same people that claim God is getting ready to do a new thing?

Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, to exhort you, that ye should earnestly contend for the maintenance of the faith, which was once given unto the Saints​. Jude 3

 

[garee]

God has made prophets among us to convey His presence.

Everyone who is born is potentially a prophet. Jeremiah 1:5 says, “Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you; I appointed you a prophet to the nations.” What greater passage in the Bible is there, to make the case against abortion? For we don’t know whom God designated to be a prophet, among those who are in a womb.

In that same regard, there are those among us who may be prophets in accordance with God’s Plans. Jeremiah 29: 11 says, “For I know the plans I have for you, declares the LORD, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.” In that sense, it’s a strong reason not to commit murder without just cause, as it may interfere with God’s Plans, and whoever does so is effectively following other gods.

There will always be prophets among us, as Joel 2:27-28 says “You shall know that I am in the midst of Israel, and that I am the LORD your God and there is none else. And my people shall never again be put to shame. The Lord Will Pour Out His Spirit. And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my Spirit on all flesh; your sons and your daughters shall prophesy…”

It is God’s desire that His Word is spread to all nations and that His presence is made aware of among those nations, who are made up of people that through time had gone astray since the days of Babel, when they were spread out among the world with different dialects. 2 Chronicles 24:19 says, “Yet he sent prophets among them to bring them back to the LORD.”

Amos 3:7 says, “For the Lord God does nothing without revealing his secret to his servants the prophets.” We should therefore be mindful of the lives we contemplate taking, and the people we contemplate turning away or putting out. For among them may be those who have been commissioned to work toward bringing the wayward back to God, and to advise the rest of us of the things to come. In the spirit of God, we should always strive toward being fruitful and to abide by God in righteousness, that our fields will always prosper, and our makings will always hold. And in the spirit of righteousness we strive to love others as we love ourselves and we give those around us the opportunity to live in fulfillment of God’s Plans.

A prophet is one that declares prophecy, the will of another, the word of God not seen. It alone is the Christians source of faith (a view of the spiritual unseen eternal ) By it we can hear the living abiding voice of God.

There are prophets among us, but they are not like the prophets up until John who received new revelations as interpretation of God before the Bible was finished being inspired. We now have the complete word with no laws missing by which we could know Him more adequately.The warning not to add applies to any man today who say... I heard a voice of the Lord or I had a dream or a vision knowing the Lord has not spoke we are to believe not.

Prophets today are those who declare the will of God as the gospel according to the same spirit of faith as it is written. I would consider men who share the good new are prophets.

If any man add to it or take away from the book of prophecy .God will sent a strong delusion to believe the lie. There are new prophets sent with the existing word of God,as new apostles, sent ones but no new prophecies.

Satan is still allowed to bring his signs as lying wonders (source of unseen faith ) up until the last day . Then those signs as lying wonders will be taken away but the elect will not be deceived they understand not to go above that which is written.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.And for this cause Godshall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2Th 2:11

Below is spoken in the last days, the days shortened for the elect

For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; "believe it not".For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.Behold, I have told you before.Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.Mat 24:27

It would seem the only above... if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect, the elect would have to violate the warning given at the end of the book of prophecy .We defend it, as the same spirit of faith according as it is written then it can defend us who are trusting it as it work in us to both will and do His good pleasure our imputed righteousness .

The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, has revealed itself ... the veil was rent and the unbelieving Jew is shown standing in the place of the antichrists in the holy place with a rent veil and walls that have come down. It is the time of reformation the time of Jacob trouble .A time when the outward Jew lost its fleshly identity, to be used in parables .The fig tree was cut off. The genealogy of the generation of Christ had come to a end.It was a great spiritual tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, or ever will be.

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

 

[miknik5]

I may be misinterpreting what you're saying, so please clarify.

What I read in your post is that a prophet may speak absolutely nothing other than Scripture. Given that, why have prophets at all? Why not just tell people to read the Scriptures?

Why do you think that everything a prophet speaks is "adding to the doctrine of Christ"? Is it not possible that God would send someone to speak His message into a specific situation without that message being considered "scripture"?

Because the whole work of GOD is to preach the GOSPEL and point all to CHRIS JESUS


How else is the BODY built up until we all reach the unity of THE FAITH (one faith directed in and on CHRIST JESUS) if one does not believe one is not a member of HIS BODY

 

[Dino246]

Because the whole work of GOD is to preach the GOSPEL and point all to CHRIS JESUS

How else is the BODY built up until we all reach the unity of THE FAITH (one faith directed in and on CHRIST JESUS) if one does not believe one is not a member of HIS BODY

It seems we have a disconnect; I see a response, but not an answer to my question.

If the whole work of God is to preach the gospel, is it then not the work of God to feed the poor, worship, intercede, counsel, liberate, reconcile, etc.?

Your second sentence simply doesn't make sense to me. Perhaps you could re-word it.

 

[Speak2Me]

you know, I honestly don't think it matters much who thinks there are or are not prophets anymore

with all the fake prophets running around, I actually find that a bigger concern

I would pray to be kept from deception and to be led in truth by God's Spirit

I would have to disagree with you on this one. It does matter, because this gift of prophesy covers most of the speaking gifts.

Those on the day of Pentecost were speaking in the native languages of the Jews from other countries, speaking of the wonderful works of God.

That was the gift of prophecy, not tongues, because Peter explained it to be a fulfillment of the prophet Joel.

IMO, ALL of God's people should be exercising this gift at one time or another.

It entails:
1. Speaking for God
2. Dreams
3. visions

The prophets also taught & preached to the people.

So yeah, it matters, otherwise Satan wouldn't wouldn't be copying this gift so heavily.

 

[stonesoffire]

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Act 21:9 He had four unmarried daughters who could prophesy.


Act 21:10 After we had been there for a number of days, a prophet named Agabus arrived from Judea.


Act 21:11 He came to us, took Paul's belt, and tied his own feet and hands with it. Then he said, "The Holy Spirit says, 'This is how the Jews in Jerusalem will tie up the man who owns this belt. Then they will hand him over to the gentiles.'"

The difference between the gift that Paul said all should seek to have, and how a prophet might proclaim something.

Denial of the offices and gifts, are examples of unbelief.

 

[Speak2Me]

If by prophet you mean one who proclaims the Gospel as revealed in the Word of God, than all believers should be prophets.
If by prophet you mean one like Daniel who reveals a future event not previously know or recorded in the Word of God,
NO there are none. Anyone who claims differently is a false prophet and is of Satan and should be ignored.

Hi E1943,

I usually like your posts on CC, but I cannot agree on this one. God will do nothing unless He speaks thru His servants the prophets.

Did you know that the majority of the preachers of the OT were the prophets?

True prophets are also used to clarify what is written in the Scriptures, to bring out details previously uncovered.

IMO, one of the ways knowledge will increase is the revealing by God's prophets of past prophecy that has been hidden until the right time to make it known.

As an example, few today understand that the NWO is part of the last days prophecies, paving the way & setting the scene for the Antichrist & his government.

 

[plainguy]

Unless one can rightly say .. "thus saith the Lord" when they're proclaiming the divinely inspired message given by God, they are no prophet at all. To do so carries grave risk and warning. Prophets were God's chosen messengers of a specific word directly from God Himself. Giving advice or wise counsel to another is something entirely different from the words and practice of a true prophet of old.

 

[Speak2Me]

Unless one can rightly say .. "thus saith the Lord" when they're proclaiming the divinely inspired message given by God, they are no prophet at all. To do so carries grave risk and warning. Prophets were God's chosen messengers of a specific word directly from God Himself. Giving advice or wise counsel to another is something entirely different from the words and practice of a true prophet of old.

Actually that's not true. The king's best counsel in those days were the prophets.

 

[7seasrekeyed]

If by prophet you mean one who proclaims the Gospel as revealed in the Word of God, than all believers should be prophets.
If by prophet you mean one like Daniel who reveals a future event not previously know or recorded in the Word of God,
NO there are none. Anyone who claims differently is a false prophet and is of Satan and should be ignored.

well that's that then, eh?

well no it isn't

if anyone dislikes false prophets and those who run around having a word for everyone as though they were the only ones who can hear from God, that would be me (and a few others from the sound of it)

so if God gives myself or someone else a word of wisdom that is true, that is not God? mind you that is not a really a prophet either, but knowledge of a future event is hardly ADDING to the revelation of Jesus Christ

 

[7seasrekeyed]

a prophet reveals nothing more than what has been laid to the foundation. And since those 12 foundations have the names of the 12 apostles, there shouldn’t be anything else added to the foundation

forth telling is sufficient
fore telling isnt


since there is nothing that should be added to what has been given us

That is progressing above the head of the body and adding to the doctrine of CHRIST
Do not go beyond the teachings of the apostles
Thats a no no

there are so many so called prophets foretelling events that never come true I can understand someone saying what you are saying

but I will differentiate between new revelation ADDING or foretelling an event that then actually happens (rare it seems)

God will also lead individuals by His Spirit in their personal lives but certainly not in a way that is extra biblical or adds to revelation

I think we need to be concerned, but we also need discernment and not just lump everything together