Speaking in tongues?!

[CS1]

Well let me break this down for you. When you say a person has or warn a person about blaspheming the Holy Spirit you are saying they are not saved. Only an unsaved person can blaspheme the Holy Spirit because it is a sin that cannot be forgiven. Saved persons have all their sins forgiven so they cannot have blasphemed the Holy Spirit. Once a person is saved the Holy Spirit abides in them and will never leave nor forsake them.

Grieving the Holy Spirit and quenching the Holy Spirit are quite a bit broader subject. It apples to saved people and speaks to the submission of the person to the Holy Spirit and His leading in their life and progression in sanctification in their body.

Blaspheming the Holy Spirit places the Holy Spirit outside of the person while grieving and quenching places the Holy Spirit within the person.

I take everything you write seriously and purpose to provide truthful and meaningful replies.

I find it disturbing when posters approach the word of God, the Christ of God and the ministry of the Holy Spirit in a cavalier manner. We need more reverence for the things of God in the people of God. *disclaimer* given as a general observation not a personal criticism.

With respect.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

lolo again out of context . never said that . in your mind" " when a person says has or warn a person about blaspheming the Holy Spirit you are saying they are not saved."

that is your opinion you fail to see the context which was presented to you with your own statement. Those here can see it clearly. Never said you were not saved or anyone was not saved. However, from some past post from those here could they say the say the same ?

And I find it disturbing nothing you provided in the above was backed up with Bible. You can't provide biblical support so you create a Strawman to tear down.

I will once again provide what you said and how you twisted it.

you said "Man cannot misuse the Holy Spirit." in post 189
Which I responded " "read your Bible on Grieving and quenching the Holy Spirit and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit all things "man" can do and has done to the Holy Spirit.



If you as you say take my words seriously, then explain how I am to take your words here ?

Post 189 : I'm not self absorbed. I'm German and Germans are simply superior.


really ?
I bet you do .

 

[Iconoclast]

it is very interesting that all the persons who claim they speak in tongues[they do not]
And all that claim they pray in tongues[they do not]

Everyone who claims the Spirit is working in them, somehow find a way to pull every scripture out of context and get it totally wrong

 

[notuptome]

lolo again out of context . never said that . in your mind" " when a person says has or warn a person about blaspheming the Holy Spirit you are saying they are not saved."

that is your opinion you fail to see the context which was presented to you with your own statement. Those here can see it clearly. Never said you were not saved or anyone was not saved. However, from some past post from those here could they say the say the same ?

And I find it disturbing nothing you provided in the above was backed up with Bible. You can't provide biblical support so you create a Strawman to tear down.

I will once again provide what you said and how you twisted it.

you said "Man cannot misuse the Holy Spirit." in post 189
Which I responded " "read your Bible on Grieving and quenching the Holy Spirit and blasphemy of the Holy Spirit all things "man" can do and has done to the Holy Spirit.



If you as you say take my words seriously, then explain how I am to take your words here ?

Post 189 : I'm not self absorbed. I'm German and Germans are simply superior.


really ?
I bet you do .

Here is what Jesus said of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Mt 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Jesus said this to whom? Jesus also said in the next verse.

Mt 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

To whom did Jesus say it? To the religious Jews who denied Him as their Messiah. This is never spoken of in reference to the church.

Paul writes to the church in Thessalonica the following.

1Thess 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.

Paul is obviously writing to Christians and not unsaved Jews.

Again in Ephesians Paul writes.

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Paul is writing to believers not unsaved people.

Let's put aside the condescending read your bible remarks and address the scriptures.

If the remarks are made out of a lack of biblical knowledge then I pass them by with no notice except to educate with sound biblical doctrine.

I will repeat that man cannot control the Holy Spirit so man cannot misuse the Holy Spirit. Man cannot cause God to sin. The Holy Spirit is just as much God as Jesus or the father.

Equally the Holy Spirit will not misuse us. He will not lead us into temptation nor will He lead us away from the righteousness of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

Here is what Jesus said of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

Mt 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Jesus said this to whom? Jesus also said in the next verse.

Mt 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

To whom did Jesus say it? To the religious Jews who denied Him as their Messiah. This is never spoken of in reference to the church.

Paul writes to the church in Thessalonica the following.

1Thess 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.

Paul is obviously writing to Christians and not unsaved Jews.

Again in Ephesians Paul writes.

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Paul is writing to believers not unsaved people.

Let's put aside the condescending read your bible remarks and address the scriptures.

If the remarks are made out of a lack of biblical knowledge then I pass them by with no notice except to educate with sound biblical doctrine.

I will repeat that man cannot control the Holy Spirit so man cannot misuse the Holy Spirit. Man cannot cause God to sin. The Holy Spirit is just as much God as Jesus or the father.

Equally the Holy Spirit will not misuse us. He will not lead us into temptation nor will He lead us away from the righteousness of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

FYI you did not originally say control "man" cannot control the Holy Spirit". you said "Man cannot "misuse "he Holy Spirit." in post 189




​We are not taking about what Jesus said are you changing

the topic? You said the above did you or did you not? and your point as to "man" cannot misuse the Holy Spirit
Can a man Blasphemy The Holy Spirit ? Yes as matt 12 speaks of. Is this a misuse of the Holy Spirit ? yes it is.
Does this diminish the Holy Spirit NO!

 

[stonesoffire]

Is this your defense? Do you have no answer as to why these supposedly overt events are not at all overt? Why so many claims of overt events but no descernible evidence? Do you normally reason this way?

What events are you talking about? The miraculous? If you haven't had any experience, or seen anything with your own eyes, perhaps you are running with the wrong crowd?

They are happening everywhere, and is not hard to find, if you have an honest heart, and truly want to know.

Or if not? Perhaps there is a reason why they have been hidden from you then. I would ask the Lord why fornits His will to manifest Himself to us. Found in the gospels. Look for the word manifest using the KJV.

 

[stonesoffire]

1Corinthians 14:14 "For if I pray in an unknown tongue, my spirit prayeth, ..."

That verse is stating that speaking in tongues IS prayer in the spirit. That's not being said as an argument, just pointing out the biblical statement of what's going on. I would say it this way "When I pray in tongues, his spirit in me is praying, but I don't know what's being said".

That's a different kind of prayer than praying with our native language (in my case English).

When praying in English, I'm praying what I think needs to be prayed, to the best of my knowledge and understanding...but the bible says in Romans 8:26 "...we know not what we should pray for as we ought:" which is why we need the kind of prayer that the Holy Spirit gives..(what some call an angel language.. I prefer prayer language).

When praying in the spirit tongue/language, I don't know what's being prayed but I know it's being prayed well because of 1Corinthians 14:17 "For thou verily givest thanks well,..." and Romans 8:26 "...the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered." plus verse 27 "And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he [the Spirit] maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God."

The spirit prayer isn't limited to my understanding of the situation.. it can pray better things.

Sorry for the length,
Kelby

Its a direct line to heaven. Personal contact.

 

[stonesoffire]

Joh 14:21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifestmyself to him.

Here is the promise of His Spirit to come.

We think law when we read commanments but His instruction to the disciples was concerning being born again, for the preaching of the Kingdom was only at hand before His crucifixion and subsequent resurrection from death. The kingdom was the internal eternal Spirit of Christ ruling from within.

Then He instructed them to wait for the power. Baptized in Spirit. The overwhelming empowering Presence of God upon and within, with giftings as He wills. However, my belief is that tongues individually is not a gift as in service to the body of Christ, but is the supernatural language of all believers. The gift of tongues being used in a different way, as a message given to the body of Christ, and then interpreted.

I believe if anyone does not have his/her language, they have a right to request it being His own. And should pursue it. It could save ones life being in this present time of increasing tribulation.

We need all of Holy Spirit available to us.

 

[notuptome]

FYI you did not originally "man cannot control the Holy Spirit". you said "Man cannot misuse the Holy Spirit." in post 189




​We are not taking about what Jesus said are you changing

the topic? You said the above did you or did you not? and your point as to "man" cannot misuse the Holy Spirit
Can a man Blasphemy The Holy Spirit ? Yes as matt 12 speaks of is this a misuse of the Holy Spirit ? yes it is.
Does this diminish the Holy Spirit NO!

It is only logical to assume that to misuse the Holy Spirit you must control the Holy Spirit. Since man cannot control the Holy Spirit he cannot misuse the Holy Spirit.

Unsaved men can blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Saved men cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

It is only logical to assume that to misuse the Holy Spirit you must control the Holy Spirit. Since man cannot control the Holy Spirit he cannot misuse the Holy Spirit.

Unsaved men can blaspheme the Holy Spirit. Saved men cannot blaspheme the Holy Spirit.

1Co 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

lol no you can sin against God and not Control HIM. your logic is not even biblical.

 

[notuptome]

lol no you can sin against God and not Control HIM. your logic is not even biblical.

Every sin is against God. We are talking about the only sin Jesus said would not be forgiven.

I will add that there is only one accuser against the brethren.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[CS1]

Every sin is against God. We are talking about the only sin Jesus said would not be forgiven.

I will add that there is only one accuser against the brethren.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Notuptome how about you just agree with yourself as you have stated that you are superior and move on with this conversation without me ok clearly you lack in remembering your own point. it is better to just leave you alone. LOl

 

[DayVerlo]

Speaking with a forked tongue, is a polite way of saying someone is lying. Like Abraham asked Sarai to do for the sake of his life and gets to keep the proceeds of the lie.

Lying to your self was the topic of my previous. The little lies that we call White. I'll do this or that tomorrow and tomorrow we watching TV and the task left incomplete.

When your words and actions prove you lied. A bit like the song by Shaggie called It wasn't Me.

So again. What is Love because Jesus explained: without Love, no matter your ability, you just a useless bell, a useless symbol. Fake.

So if you cannot understand the English because it's not American. Sorry. But without a bit of thought and consideration , both aspects of love, you might first ask.

So again. What is Love?? This condition Jesus placed between us and God.

 

[Endoscopy]

then what would be the point of saying anything when it cant be understood?


the Most High knows your thoughts as well as evry spoken language of this world. whats the angel language going to tell Him that He would not hear in your own language?

dont you think it a bit strange that every example of angels in scripture they are speaking in our language and not the "angel" language?

You seem to ignore the concept that praying like that comes from your innermost being and communicates math God!

 

[notuptome]

Notuptome how about you just agree with yourself as you have stated that you are superior and move on with this conversation without me ok clearly you lack in remembering your own point. it is better to just leave you alone. LOl

I'll agree with the bible which David said it made him wiser than the ancients.

Ps 119:100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.

For the cause of Christ
Roger