Can a CHRISTIAN have a DEMON?

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Can a CHRISTIAN have a DEMON?
by Chris Simpson


Copyright © 1995, by New Wine Christian Fellowship. May be freely distributed as is without alteration
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When you go into the ministry of casting out demons (and you will if you follow Mark 16), you will inevitably be challenged with the question:

"Can a born-again believer have a demon?"

In charismatic and Pentecostal circles the question is: "Can a believer who is baptized in the Spirit have a demon?

Absolutely not!" is the standard answer. "The Holy Spirit cannot dwell in the same body as a demon!"

This is often spoken with the insistence of a slogan, to close the mind to further inquiry.

However, this answer cannot be supported by scripture. In fact, it is an extra-scriptural piece of logic that rests on an assumption. It is dangerous to assume that Satan and his demons have some kind of hands-off policy when it comes to believers while the truth is that believers are the very objects of their wrath and attack.

In the New Testament, the Greek word 'daimonizomai' is used to express the presence of demonic spirits within a person. What this word means is: "to be demonized; to be under the power or influence of a demon in certain areas; to have a demon."

In the King James Version of the Bible this particular Greek word is translated 11 times as "to be possessed with devils". The word "possessed," however, is a misleading translation for this Greek word. To English speaking people the term "possessed" implies total ownership of something. This concept, as pertaining to the relationship between a demonic entity and a person, has no support in the scripture or in the original intent of the Greek word. There is no suggestion in the scripture that a demon has totally taken over a person as the word "possessed" implies. Even the Gaderene demoniac had enough humanity to cry out to Jesus for help.

Rather, after close scriptural study, it can be seen that the effect of demons upon people was usually in one or more areas of the personality - not the whole person. The best translatation of this Greek word is: "to be demonized" or to "have a demon."

A useful analogy would be the city of Chicago. In the 1930's Chicago had a mayor over the town, but the Mafia definitely ran parts of the town. Even so, while a believer may profess Jesus Christ as Lord of their life, it's quite possible that certain areas of the life may be under the domination and controlling influence of demonic spirits, ie. an area of jealousy, lust, or annoying and compulsive habits.

Because of a scriptural misunderstanding of exactly what occurred at their spiritual rebirth, many believe that they are somehow immune, or instantly free, from the strongholds, bondages and curses accumulated during a lifetime of sin.

A careful study of the New Testament will reveal that our spiritual rebirth was just that, a "spiritual" rebirth. Jesus said in the third chapter of John; "That which is born of the Spirit is spirit." It was the human spirit that received life when we confessed our sins and were born again. God told Adam that in the day he ate of the forbidden fruit he would die. Yet he went on to live for many hundreds of years. What died in Adam when he fell into sin? Obviously it was that same part of his nature that Christ came to bring back to life - his spirit.

THREE-FOLD SALVATION FOR THREE-FOLD MAN

The Apostle Paul tells us in 1 Thessalonians 5:23 that man is a tripartite being: spirit, soul and body. For this three-fold being (created in the image of his three-fold Creator) God has provided a three-fold salvation. When one is born again, the spirit is infused with the very life and presence of God. This burst of inner life (called justification) often serves to liberate the person from bondages in the soul and, sometimes, even sicknesses in the body. However, regeneration in the spirit does not mean complete salvation and perfection for the soul. This is evident in any believer's experience.

The second-fold of God's salvation involves the daily process of cleansing, changing, conforming and renewing the soul into the likeness of the Lord. The soul (composed of a man's mind, will and emotions) is far from perfect. It is in this realm where the habits, patterns and bondages of the past may still be found. By careful and consistent conformity to the will of God, directed from the presence of God in the human spirit, the soul is slowly transformed to become a pleasing habitation of the Lord. This process is called sanctification (or "set apart" unto holiness).

Finally, the third part of God's salvation involves the body. When Christ comes again, the scriptures tell us that we shall be changed and shall receive new bodies like unto the Lord's new body after his resurrection. This is called glorification. It is also evident, from the teachings in the New Testament, that the degree of glory expressed through our bodies then will be related to the degree of glory allowed to manifest through our souls now.

In justification (our past salvation) we were delivered from the penalty of sin (eternal separation from God). In sanctification (our present salvation) we are being delivered from the power of sin in our lives each day. In glorification (our future salvation) we shall be delivered from the very presence of sin.

The scriptures are full of pictures, analogies and parables depicting the teaching of man's tripartite being with God's provisions of salvation. When Jesus cleansed His Father's temple, full of wrath against the men that had turned a house of prayer into a den of thieves, He was revealing God's heart. We too, are the temple of God and thus need the invading presence of the holy Lord to cleanse us from the "thieves and robbers" within.

SCRIPTURES SUPPORTING THE FACT THAT CHRISTIANS CAN BE DEMONIZED

Matthew 15:22-28 Deliverance is the "children's bread;" and is therefore particularly reserved for believers

Matthew 16:22-23 Jesus rebuked the spirit of Satan speaking through Peter

Mark 1:23 A man with an unclean spirit "in the synagogue"

Mark 1:39 Jesus cast out demons "in the synagogues"

Luke 9:52-56 Jesus told James and John, "...you know not what spirit you are of"

Luke 13:11-16 A "daughter of Abraham" was bound by a "spirit of infirmity"

Acts 5:3 Satan "filled the hearts" of two believers to lie to the Holy Spirit

Acts 8:13, 20-24 Simon, a believer, needed deliverance from the occult

1 Cor 5:1-5 Speaks of a believer filled with a spirit of lust and as a result, delivered over to Satan

2 Cor 2:10-11 Satan can "get advantage" over a believer

2 Corinthians 11:4 Paul rebukes believers for receiving "another spirit"

2 Corinthians 12:7 Paul was tormented by a "messenger from Satan"

Galatians 3:1 Paul rebukes believers for being "bewitched"

1 Timothy 1:19-20 Speaks of two believers who were delivered over to Satan for blasphemy

2 Timothy 2:24-26 Believers can be snared and taken captive by the devil

1 Timothy 4:1-2 In latter days believers will give heed to seducing spirits and doctrines of demons

Ephesians 4:25-27 Lying and anger can "give place" to the devil in a believer's life

RESULTS WHEN CHRISTIAN DEMONIZATION IS DENIED

* The old sin nature becomes the "whipping boy" whenever there's a compulsive problem in the life.
* All problems in a person's life are taught to be due to their continual "lack of surrender."
* All inherited characteristics and personality quirks are thought to be unchangeable.
* Psychology, mental health programs, and even the use of psychotic drugs are supported and relied upon.
* Despair, hopelessness and at times even suicide are fostered within the demonized.
* Demons are given legal ground to stay when a person sits under teaching that denies a Christian can have a demon.
* Spiritual pride is reinforced in leaders and keeps them from re-examining their teachings and retracting error.
* Gives ground to accept without question and as law all medical diagnosis and medication.
* People are left open to be snared into cults and religious deception by angels of light. After all, if a believer can't be demonized, aren't they "safe?"
 
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A better question would be, is a person really saved who professes to be a christian yet may have a demon?
 
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A better question would be, is a person really saved who professes to be a christian yet may have a demon?
I think after reading the above article, the answer is yes. A truly saved person can be under the influence of a demon. Just like the example of Peter, one moment Christ called him a rock, the next moment Jesus was rebuking satan speaking through Peter. The place to start with any deliverance is not the streets with the satanists etc but in the church. You might be surprised how many sweet little old ladies who wouldn't hurt a fly can have a demon.
 
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Interesting...now I have to go study!
 
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become_the_generation

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welll satan can use a spirit to make us make a bad chiice, its still out decision. as for a demon. i dont think so. we have the Holy Spirit, and if we are really a christian we will always. 2 spirits that oppose each other cannot be in someobodys body. so we can be opressed by a spirit or deomon, but we cannot actually become possesed by one as logn as we are actually spirit filled
 
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I agree with being susceptable to oppression of demons, but not being possessed with them if we truly have the Holy Spirit living in us.
 
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Miah45

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Can a CHRISTIAN have a DEMON?
by Chris Simpson


Copyright © 1995, by New Wine Christian Fellowship. May be freely distributed as is without alteration
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When you go into the ministry of casting out demons (and you will if you follow Mark 16), you will inevitably be challenged with the question:

"Can a born-again believer have a demon?"

In charismatic and Pentecostal circles the question is: "Can a believer who is baptized in the Spirit have a demon?

Absolutely not!" is the standard answer. "The Holy Spirit cannot dwell in the same body as a demon!"
Maybe in some nominal circles... or 20 years ago...
but if you go to any cutting-edge charismatic ministry today they'll tell you politely 'OF COURSE THEY CAN!" :)

I'm slowly getting my head round the idea that a lot of christians who view themselves as spirit-filled believers are still in the dark ages about all this.. Until I came on CC, I had no idea that people here would still believe that the gifts of the Spirit stopped with the Apostles or that miracles etc are not for today.. or that Christians can't have demonic problems (otherwise known as 'possession')

But sure chat away..
 
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I agree with being susceptable to oppression of demons, but not being possessed with them if we truly have the Holy Spirit living in us.
I agree Harpy. Demonic oppression is very real. Fear, drepression, panic and anxiety for example these seem to be the more popular weapons of warfare today and are ussually the result of past physical abuse and / or neglect.

However, I have perosonally witnessed people who, upon conversion, have been delivered from opression, drug addiction, and the lusts of the flesh. Seeing as God does not play favorites, I can't help but wonder how some are delivered upon salvation while others seem to go on to struggle. I do not believe in pointing the finger at God by saying "well if it's God will it woul have happened that way". I believe it has more to do with the faith and desire of the "new believer" if indeed that is truely the case.
 
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Can a CHRISTIAN have a DEMON?

The answer is yes!
When you got really really angry, you immediately look in to the mirror!
Trust me, you’ll see a demon in that mirror. :p

For the Love of Coffee,
~Ren
 
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i believe a christian can be Oppressed but not Possesed by a demon
 
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Peace be upon you.
Several demons will follow you. The closer you get to God the more demons will come after you and satan will begin to set his focus on you even more since you are closer to the truth. But as you get closer to God the more you will be able to resist demons. When you have the Holy Ghost, you will most likely never fall for the demonic thoughts, and demons will fear you actually.
 
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Hog wash, Let me show you the scriptures thats shows that a saved person can not be prossess by a demon. A Christian can still be influence or tempted but never prossessed, Satan can get into your head but never our whole being.

1co 3:16Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?

First point the Holy Ghost, The Third part of God dwells in us, And Jesus said :

Mt 12:26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?Mt 12:27And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.Mt 12:28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.Mt 12:29Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.Mt 12:30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.



In order to say that a Christian can be prossessed is to say that the demon can come into the Holy Ghost's dwelling Place( home) and bind him and take over , which is the most demonic statement I have read in the forum since I have been in here . No way can satan or any demon Bind God. there is no evidence from Scriptures that any of the people being prossessed In the scripyures were saved.
 
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I think Thaddeus is right, I've been oppressed but never possessed. The Spirit is within and devils are without.
 
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If you'd STUDY the Scriptures carefully, you would know this is NOT hogwash but the Spirit of God actively working in the church to set His people free. If you read the article closely it refers to the "indwelling" of a demon in a believer rather than "possession" as in ownership of that person. When we receive salvation, we also receive the Holy Spirit who dwells within us so we belong to God, there is no question about that.

Ephesians 1:13-14 "In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory".

We also know that the devil is defeated Col 2:15 "Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it".

Mark 16:17,18 says "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."

To whom do we have power to cast out demons, the believer or the unbeliever? And for what purpose are we to cast demons out of anyone? An unbeliever doesn't know God and is not filled with the Spirit of God so what purpose does it serve to cast a demon out of them?
Matthew says 12:43-45 "When an unclean spirit goes out of a man, he goes through dry places, seeking rest, and finds none. Then he says, 'I will return to my house from which I came.' And when he comes, he finds it empty, swept, and put in order.Then he goes and takes with him seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter and dwell there; and the last state of that man is worse than the first. So shall it also be with this wicked generation."

Luke 4:18 "THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE HAS ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR; HE HAS SENT ME TO HEAL THE BROKENHEARTED, TO PROCLAIM LIBERTY TO THE CAPTIVES AND RECOVERY OF SIGHT TO THE BLIND, TO SET AT LIBERTY THOSE WHO ARE OPPRESSED; TO PROCLAIM THE ACCEPTABLE YEAR OF THE LORD."

Are all Christians free from bondage, oppression, disease, infirmity, strongholds or addiction? Answer this if you have any Scripture to support your reply and not just your own thoughts.
 
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I think Thaddeus is right, I've been oppressed but never possessed. The Spirit is within and devils are without.
You are right about being oppressed and NOT possessed. However the article is about the" indwelling" of demons and not possession. A demon has to be inside someone before it can be CAST OUT. So the oppression of the believer is from within AS WELL as on the outside.

Eph 6:12 For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.
 
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I see your point, it could be from within or without or both. ;)
 
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i believe demons only enters to those people who lacks in faith and to those who are afraid to face life's challenges
 
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e-Sword86

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First point the Holy Ghost, The Third part of God dwells in us, And Jesus said :

Mt 12:26And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?Mt 12:27And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out? therefore they shall be your judges.Mt 12:28But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.Mt 12:29Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.Mt 12:30He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.



In order to say that a Christian can be prossessed is to say that the demon can come into the Holy Ghost's dwelling Place( home) and bind him and take over , which is the most demonic statement I have read in the forum since I have been in here . No way can satan or any demon Bind God. there is no evidence from Scriptures that any of the people being prossessed In the scripyures were saved.
You are mistaken, not knowing the Scriptures nor the power of God.

Luke 11:20 But if I cast out demons with the finger of God, surely the kingdom of God has come upon you.

Luke 11:21,22 (with my paraphrase) When a strong man (satan) , fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are in peace. But when a stronger than he (God) comes upon him and overcomes him, he takes from him all his armor in which he trusted, and divides his spoils (demons).
 
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Ezr 7:16 And all the silver and gold that thou canst find in all the province of Babylon, with the freewill offering of the people, and of the priests, offering willingly for the house of their God which is in Jerusalem:
By this verse this would tell me that you choose to serve God or not. To believe that a demon can not indwell in christian is a dangerious teaching that is not biblical.

2Co 6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succored thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)
I have to get saved every day to make sure that i'm not in the way. If you dont think that the deamon wont cause confusion in you your badly mistaken. You know also the devil is not a respecter of persons either he wants to kill everyone . So that is why I must get saved everyday and it also takes God speeking through my brothers and sisters to help me also.Watch the pride! Pride comes before the fall.

 
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Once again, salvation is a once of thing!
http://christianchat.com/showthread.php?t=1975

To answer this question, lets examine two facts...
God is light - 1 John 1:1-5, though the whole chapter is appropriate!

1 John 1
[1] That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life; [2] (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;) [3] That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ. [4] And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full. [5] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

We know that Satan is the prince of darkness, as he is opposed to God.

Since darkness and light cannot be in the same place at the same time, how then, can a believer who is born again and has the Holy Spirit dwelling within also have a demon dwelling within?! It is impossible!
However, the Bible is clear that we are in a spiritual battle.

Ephesians 6:12 "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places."

This verse implies that we are under external attack from all directions spiritually. Infact, the whole chapter from verse 10 is on spiritual warfare, and the armour of God. We also battle against the will of our flesh - each and every one of us! Thoughts about things, unhealthy / ungodly desires, laziness are just to name a few.

I have read the posts above - and just about each post claims to be right, most without properly searching the scriptures out. I won't go into saying who is right or wrong, but rather, I will leave that to the Holy Ghost to convict and teach.
 
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