2 John 1:11 Greeting Evil Teachers!

[7seasrekeyed]

If men know God has given them the scriptures in plain English, then explain to me why they return to Greek and Hebrew?

Do you suppose you can, by going back to Greek and Hebrew texts, present some revelation of God not already plainly written in English?

My point is, that the desire to return to Greek and Hebrew is based on not believing there is a Holy Bible.
I brought this up because I see false teachers love to rewrite the scriptures so as to present a lie.

plain English

which is why we have over 50 English versions and still counting

gotcha

 

[reneweddaybyday]

The professor only exegetes one verse. So the rest is from me. And what I am seeing around this forum. But it hit me quite strongly as I was listening to this verse, how too many people "greet" people, without being discerning about what they are writing. Well, not me, obviously! And many others!

It is a video blog. About 2 minutes long. Here is the link:

2 John 1-11 | Daily Dose of Greek

He reads it in Greek, translates the Greek into English, then talks about what it means. Also, I just did the verses in front and after, so I am thinking partly of that, too! He has been working his way through the epistles of John, and is actually finished them all, I just need to catch up!

Anyone who wants can follow these Daily Doses of Greek, can click on the link, and then signing up at the bottom of the page! But having a bit of a Greek background does help. Or perhaps you can just start studying Greek by watching the blogs? Nah! Too hard!

But if anyone does want to study Greek, I can give you some good resources. Just contact me. You might have to add me as a friend to do that. I closed up my profile a while back. No one who is really in the forum, just a lot of scammers I got tired of telling me I could share in their $10 million stuck in a bank in Nigeria sort of thing! LOL

Thanks so much for the link. I'll check the site out.

I listened to 2 John 1-11 and here is what he shared about the verse (there's more if/when you listen, but here's the gist):

For the one who says to him greetings shares in his wicked works.

There's a way to publicly interact with false teachers that gives the impression that we're endorsing them, validating them, encouraging them, that would lead people astray to follow them and John rebukes us if that's where we're headed and says "No. If you do that … If you greet them … If you publicly interact with them in such a way as to endorse and validate this false teaching, you actually share in the false teaching". It's like you're doing these wicked works too. You're partially doing them. And so this is a call to discernment. May God help us to be people of both love and grace and people of truth that we may speak the truth in love.

Copyright Daily Dose of Greek

Again, thanks for the link. Have a blessed day!!!

 

[Joseppi]

So who gets to decide what is biblical and what isn't? There are dozens, maybe hundreds, of doctrinal issues and practices that various protestant denominations disagree on. And here on CC when people try to discuss an issue and ask questions to sort things out for themselves, they often meet with rude, acerbic responses and accusations of hypocrisy—sometimes coming from ministers or other members of the clergy who post here.

How can one decide what those evil false teachings are, and seek the truth? What's a person to do?

That is my point.
I for one can tell what is true and false because the Holy Bible reproves and corrects all error.
And the unction within me reminds me of what God hath said.
I know that the scriptures can't be broken.

But, you raise a good point because the doctrine of Christ as discussed in 2 John doesn't only teach us that Jesus Christ came in the flesh lest we not recognize the spirit of antichrist, but also that the love God is always present with them that abide in the truth of God.

 

[Prov910]

That is my point.
I for one can tell what is true and false because the Holy Bible reproves and corrects all error.
And the unction within me reminds me of what God hath said.
I know that the scriptures can't be broken.

But, you raise a good point because the doctrine of Christ as discussed in 2 John doesn't only teach us that Jesus Christ came in the flesh lest we not recognize the spirit of antichrist, but also that the love God is always present with them that abide in the truth of God.

You can tell the things that are true and false? Great! I have some questions.

• Salvation—Is sprinkling okay or full immersion required?
• Is it a sin to drink alcohol?
• Is it a sin to smoke cigarettes? Tobacco pipe?
• Is pornography a sin? Is the Sports Illustrated Swim Suit edition a sin?
• Is masterbation a sin?
• Are people who don't go to heaven tormented in a burning hell forever?
• Is Sunday the Sabbath or Saturday?
• Is it a sin not to tithe?
• Are homosexual activities a sin?
• Do gay people go to hell?
• If I know something is a sin—say, cheating on my taxes—but do it anyway, can that sin be forgiven?
• What if the tax cheating above was to overstate the value of an items given to the Goodwill? (Saying a wool suit was worth $10 when actually it had a moth hole in the pants and was worthless.)
• Is it a sin to say the Hail Mary and ask Mary to pray for you?
• And finally, did I sin when I said, "No, honey. That skirt doesn't make you look fat." (It did. lol)

Okay, I don't expect you to know the answers to these—despite your statement above. (I don't think you, or anyone, could answer all these with absolute certainty. lol) But there are folks who would claim to find scriptural support on both sides of most of those inquiries.

 

[Joseppi]

plain English

which is why we have over 50 English versions and still counting

We have many versions because of unbelief.
But the true and Holy Bible corrects them all as can always be proven.

 

[Joseppi]

You can tell the things that are true and false? Great! I have some questions.

• Salvation—Is sprinkling okay or full immersion required?
• Is it a sin to drink alcohol?
• Is it a sin to smoke cigarettes? Tobacco pipe?
• Is pornography a sin? Is the Sports Illustrated Swim Suit edition a sin?
• Is masterbation a sin?
• Are people who don't go to heaven tormented in a burning hell forever?
• Is Sunday the Sabbath or Saturday?
• Is it a sin not to tithe?
• Are homosexual activities a sin?
• Do gay people go to hell?
• If I know something is a sin—say, cheating on my taxes—but do it anyway, can that sin be forgiven?
• What if the tax cheating above was to overstate the value of an items given to the Goodwill? (Saying a wool suit was worth $10 when actually it had a moth hole in the pants and was worthless.)
• Is it a sin to say the Hail Mary and ask Mary to pray for you?
• And finally, did I sin when I said, "No, honey. That skirt doesn't make you look fat." (It did. lol)

Okay, I don't expect you to know the answers to these—despite your statement above. (I don't think you, or anyone, could answer all these with absolute certainty. lol) But there are folks who would claim to find scriptural support on both sides of most of those inquiries.

Whatsoever is not of faith is sin.
Therefore concerning elemental things and such read Roman's 14.
In truth nothing in your list is difficult to answer.
However, since the faith of many is weak we can't but teach with patience and love and that takes time.
And as predicted in scripture, in the last days men will not abide sound doctrine.

To be staight with you, I perceive your list is an evasion.

 

[breno785au]

You can tell the things that are true and false? Great! I have some questions.

• Salvation—Is sprinkling okay or full immersion required?
• Is it a sin to drink alcohol?
• Is it a sin to smoke cigarettes? Tobacco pipe?
• Is pornography a sin? Is the Sports Illustrated Swim Suit edition a sin?
• Is masterbation a sin?
• Are people who don't go to heaven tormented in a burning hell forever?
• Is Sunday the Sabbath or Saturday?
• Is it a sin not to tithe?
• Are homosexual activities a sin?
• Do gay people go to hell?
• If I know something is a sin—say, cheating on my taxes—but do it anyway, can that sin be forgiven?
• What if the tax cheating above was to overstate the value of an items given to the Goodwill? (Saying a wool suit was worth $10 when actually it had a moth hole in the pants and was worthless.)
• Is it a sin to say the Hail Mary and ask Mary to pray for you?
• And finally, did I sin when I said, "No, honey. That skirt doesn't make you look fat." (It did. lol)

Okay, I don't expect you to know the answers to these—despite your statement above. (I don't think you, or anyone, could answer all these with absolute certainty. lol) But there are folks who would claim to find scriptural support on both sides of most of those inquiries.

That's easy man..

But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Hebrews 5:14 NKJV

 

[7seasrekeyed]

We have many versions because of unbelief.
But the true and Holy Bible corrects them all as can always be proven.

no you don't get to do that

you want plain English and you get to choose from over 50 versions

I suspect you may be a King Jimmy only dude

if not, I guess you can enlighten us

 

[Joseppi]

I have to admit that I am not kind to to false teachers.
This is because I know that God's love isn't unconditional.
So, since I love the sheep I can't abide the presence of wolves.
And because I love truth I hate the lies.

I'm curious to know if you posters know what the antichrist spirit is, and why it attacks certain scriptures.
One poster brought up the multitude of bible versions as though that phenomenon is of God.
And it seems as though there is either, a casual lack of concern in dealing with God's written word.

Do any of you believe that God's love is unconditional?
Sounds like a friendly notion don't you think?
If a teacher taught that at your church or assembly would you let it slide or what?

 

[Joseppi]

no you don't get to do that

you want plain English and you get to choose from over 50 versions

I suspect you may be a King Jimmy only dude

if not, I guess you can enlighten us

There aren't 50versions of truth.
I rely on the Holy Bible and you can respond as you please.
But what you can't do is avoid it's correction of the falsehoods found in phony bibles.

 

[Joseppi]

That's easy man..

But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.
Hebrews 5:14 NKJV

The Holy Bible says, "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those that by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

I find it interesting that in the scripture teaching precisely what is required to obtain discerment of both good and evil when have a supposedly modernized version corrupting the verse to say "solid food" instead of "strong meat".

Now a babe on milk will say it doesn't matter because they lack discerment and find it impossible to chew meat and are happy to swallow solid food of a lesser difficulty. Like how about some milk toast.

 

[breno785au]

The Holy Bible says, "But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those that by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil."

I find it interesting that in the scripture teaching precisely what is required to obtain discerment of both good and evil when have a supposedly modernized version corrupting the verse to say "solid food" instead of "strong meat".

Now a babe on milk will say it doesn't matter because they lack discerment and find it impossible to chew meat and are happy to swallow solid food of a lesser difficulty. Like how about some milk toast.

The scripture says the 'requirement' of discernment is excersing discernment. Those who have exercised are able to handle the stronger things.

If I feed my 8 month year old milk toast, and that's all he can handle I will not say he is able to eat solid food. Once they start eating solid vegetables and meat, then I say they are able to handle solid food.

 

[7777pinacled]

Dignity is an excellent example

 

[stonesoffire]

Dignity is an excellent example

How so pin? Not sure what you mean here?

 

[Depleted]

"ὁ λέγων γὰρ αὐτῷ χαίρειν κοινωνεῖ τοῖς ἔργοις αὐτοῦ τοῖς πονηροῖς." 2 John 1:11 SBL Greek

I get a daily email from a professor of Greek in the USAm called "Daily Dose of Greek." He goes through one verse of the NT a day. He talks about the grammar, any idioms, reminds of us of our verb paradigms and then deals with the verse. Of course, most of you don't read Greek, so here is this verse in English, in context!

"Everyone who goes on ahead and does not remain in the teaching of Christ does not have God. The one who remains in this teaching has both the Father and the Son. 10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house and do not give him any greeting, 11 because the person who gives him a greeting shares in his evil deeds." 1 John 1:9-11

So, what is John saying here? He is warning us not to greet false teachers. He says that even "greeting" these teachers means you are sharing in their deeds! Ouch!

So, what does that mean for forums like CC, where people not only post false doctrine, but they post the constant lies of certain deceivers, and with joy!

People must wonder at my obsession with the truth. Why don't I just put these people on ignore, and leave them alone? Well, there are some people who post stuff that is utter nonsense. Those don't need to be rebuked.

But, others post subtle lies, using bad (or more likely NO!) exegesis. They will post anything that confirms the latest revelation, the latest teaching, even if it is not Biblical. Even if it directly contradicts what the Bible says. And, they will not listen to correction.

And I am not talking about just me! There are many here who reprove these false teachings. But there are also some who let this bad teaching "into their house." They support these people, contrary to Scripture! I am not speaking of soteriological or eschatological arguments that are within the bounds of orthodox Christianity. I am speaking of false doctrines which literally lead you away from God.

Things like don't even think twice about your "failures," (sin appears to have fallen out of favour, as a word which the entire gospel is predicated on.) Or, experience trumps the word of God. Someone told me in another thread, that they have felt electricity running through their body when the Holy Spirit touched them. Really? How about a kundalini spirit? How about experience, never trumps the word of God? Just show me where any disciple had an "electric spirit" run through their body when God saved them.

Sure, tongues of fire, a sound like a rushing wind happened on the Day of Pentecost in Acts 2, but no where else. And tongues as a witness in a few places in Acts. But kundalini electricity? That is just scary.

I have always regretted the time I wasted in the New Age movement through the 1970s. Ten years wasted, I always thought. But now, as I see these evil concepts creeping into the church, I reflect gladly that God allowed me to go through that, so now I can stand against that evil from Satan. Truly, God does work all these together for good.

My dedication to this site, is based on the fact that too many greet people resulting in them being a part of the evil deeds of these false teachers. If these people are lost, and will not be corrected, that is between them and God. But there are so many newbies, so many "guests" who read these threads without even joining, and I want them to read the truths laid out in the Bible, not the false new supposed revelations, or the exegetical nonsense and lies some are posting as truth.

So, are you greeting those with false teachings, and thereby sharing in their evil deeds? Or are you standing for Biblical truth?

For some I'm hoping a Saul-turns-to-Paul conversion. For others, I'm just making sure no one is falling for the crap.

 

[Depleted]

I do not think I am fit to be a teacher, not yet at least. I also think we have to many (teachers) and not near enough students. You are actually one of the few on cc that hold in high regard when it comes to the scriptures and I will be the first to admit that I can at times stray more towards experience than the scriptures themselves but I do try to keep any of my beliefs and experiences to the scriptures.

But I agree with you in your post. No one ever considers that damage they do to those who frequent the forum as a guest, they could care less about the fact that the words they speak can and do damage new believers. Personally when it comes to doctrine of the truth I cannot say that I myself know and believe all the correct ones nor can I say that I have all the correct views and beliefs but that is why we are to be students first with a hungry eagerness to learn, those kind of students make the best teachers.

Not everyone has the gift of teaching and yet teach as if they do, but one who has the gift of teaching even if they do not have all the correct doctrines or beliefs will be used by God as only he can because there are teachers yes but person who has the gift of teaching is the best kind of teacher because they are not teachers of the flesh they are teachers of the spirit.
A teacher more than anyone must consider the words they speak and the teachings they teach because in teaching they are placing themselves in the role of helping to mold and guide his sheep and they cannot simply use the scriptures as they see fit as many here do because anyone who takes on the role of a teacher will be held accountable for the words they speak and the scriptures they use.

First axiom for being a teacher: "Know the subject."

There shouldn't be any teachers who don't have the correct doctrines and beliefs. If the Lord calls you to teach, it's understood "Know the subject" comes first.

 

[Depleted]

Many bring corrupt bibles imbued with spirit of antichrist into their homes and never notice.

Probably because "corrupt bibles imbued with spirit of antichrist" isn't biblical. It's some new age mystical thought you've heard.

 

[Depleted]

Many posters say they have faith and love the truth but go backwards to Greek and Hebrew to change what God has written in plain English.

 

[Depleted]

That is my point.
I for one can tell what is true and false because the Holy Bible reproves and corrects all error.
And the unction within me reminds me of what God hath said.
I know that the scriptures can't be broken.

But, you raise a good point because the doctrine of Christ as discussed in 2 John doesn't only teach us that Jesus Christ came in the flesh lest we not recognize the spirit of antichrist, but also that the love God is always present with them that abide in the truth of God.

No. Honest. The Bible never talks about bibles imbued with the spirit of the antichrist.

 

[Depleted]

You can tell the things that are true and false? Great! I have some questions.

• Salvation—Is sprinkling okay or full immersion required?
• Is it a sin to drink alcohol?
• Is it a sin to smoke cigarettes? Tobacco pipe?
• Is pornography a sin? Is the Sports Illustrated Swim Suit edition a sin?
• Is masterbation a sin?
• Are people who don't go to heaven tormented in a burning hell forever?
• Is Sunday the Sabbath or Saturday?
• Is it a sin not to tithe?
• Are homosexual activities a sin?
• Do gay people go to hell?
• If I know something is a sin—say, cheating on my taxes—but do it anyway, can that sin be forgiven?
• What if the tax cheating above was to overstate the value of an items given to the Goodwill? (Saying a wool suit was worth $10 when actually it had a moth hole in the pants and was worthless.)
• Is it a sin to say the Hail Mary and ask Mary to pray for you?
• And finally, did I sin when I said, "No, honey. That skirt doesn't make you look fat." (It did. lol)

Okay, I don't expect you to know the answers to these—despite your statement above. (I don't think you, or anyone, could answer all these with absolute certainty. lol) But there are folks who would claim to find scriptural support on both sides of most of those inquiries.

Salvation—Is sprinkling okay or full immersion required? Salvation is through Christ alone.
Is it a sin to drink alcohol? No, but it is a sin to have alcohol become more important to you than the Lord.
Is it a sin to smoke cigarettes? Tobacco pipe? Same answer.
Is pornography a sin? Is the Sports Illustrated Swim Suit edition a sin? Jesus said if you lust, it's adultery. No idea if you're lusting or not.
Is masterbation a sin? Same answer.
Are people who don't go to heaven tormented in a burning hell forever? Yes.
Is Sunday the Sabbath or Saturday? Keep the Sabbath. For the Sabbath is for man. Rest once every 7 days, whichever is your seventh day.
Is it a sin not to tithe? Are you not giving to the Lord? Are you not helping people? Then that is sin.
Are homosexual activities a sin? Yes. So is thinking it.
Do gay people go to hell? All people who do not repent and come to the Lord by the end of their lives go to hell. All those who do, don't. Can't tell you which "gay people" will be in which group.
If I know something is a sin—say, cheating on my taxes—but do it anyway, can that sin be forgiven? You do not know "render to Ceasar what is Ceaser's" yet? Now you do, so don't cheat. And are you forgiven if you sin? I don't know. Have you repented and come to the Lord?
What if the tax cheating above was to overstate the value of an items given to the Goodwill? (Saying a wool suit was worth $10 when actually it had a moth hole in the pants and was worthless.) Same answer.
Is it a sin to say the Hail Mary and ask Mary to pray for you? If you're hailing her, like in that prayer, you aren't asking her to pray for you. You're worshiping her. Both dumb and sin.
And finally, did I sin when I said, "No, honey. That skirt doesn't make you look fat." (It did. lol) Yes!


Anything else you'd like to know?