What is Arianism?

[livingbygrace]

No probs LBG, your entitled to your opinons.

Untruths

Keep blowing hot air into those bagpipes Phil

So, you cannot find me EVEN ONE sermon where a Baptist minister from the pulpit clearly states if a person believes Christ is the son of God but not God Himself he is a heretic and condemned

Strange that, they do not preach and teach from the pulpit what to you eternal life hinges on, something must be badly wrong somewhere

Such is the absurdity of your position

 

[phil36]

Keep blowing hot air into those bagpipes Phil

Thanks LBG, if it was cold air I would have problems....

Have a great evening

 

[Scotth1960]

You know I sure do hear the word heresy used a lot on Christian chat sites

You are a heretic if you do or don't believe in filique
You are a heretic if you simply believe Christ is the son of God and not God Himself
You are a heretic if you believe the Father existed before the Son, even though he brought the son into existence before time as we know it began etc etc etc

In other words

'You are a heretic if you do not believe as I do, because I know the truth through deep study and have myself learned through my own striving and effort and human ability to know what I know

Knowing what is heresy and what is not heresy comes not of human effort but as a gift of God (cf. Titus 3:5, John 16:13).
It is heresy to say "Filioque", and the Son, according to John 15:26.
It is heresy to deny that Christ is God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim. 3:16), not merely the Son of God, but also God manifest in the flesh, God the Son.
No Scripture is of any private interpretation, so saying what is and what is not heresy is not of any private interpretation (cf. 2 Peter 1:20-21).
Take care. God save us. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

 

[livingbygrace]

Knowing what is heresy and what is not heresy comes not of human effort but as a gift of God (cf. Titus 3:5, John 16:13).
It is heresy to say "Filioque", and the Son, according to John 15:26.
It is heresy to deny that Christ is God manifest in the flesh (1 Tim. 3:16), not merely the Son of God, but also God manifest in the flesh, God the Son.
No Scripture is of any private interpretation, so saying what is and what is not heresy is not of any private interpretation (cf. 2 Peter 1:20-21).
Take care. God save us. In Erie PA Scott R. Harrington

And no-one is being led of the Holy Spirit who does not accept what Christ plainly stated was the required belief to have eternal life. For the Holy Spirit WOULD NOT contradict the plain words of Christ

But man who makes his God 'head theology' would

 

[wakeup]

Arianism

Arianism, a Christian heresy first proposed early in the 4th century by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius. It affirmed that Christ is not truly divine but a created being. Arius’ basic premise was the uniqueness of God, who is alone self-existent and immutable; the Son, who is not self-existent, cannot be God. Because the Godhead is unique, it cannot be shared or communicated, so the Son cannot be God. Because the Godhead is immutable, the Son, who is mutable, being represented in the Gospels as subject to growth and change, cannot be God. The Son must, therefore, be deemed a creature ... (100 of 684 words)

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/34124/Arianism

colosians1:15. who is the image of the invisible God the first born of every CREATURE.??
v18.and he is the head of the body,the church; who is the beginning, the first BORN from the dead that in all things he might have the preeminence.
''wakeup''.

 

[aworldexport67]

"Arius was a priest under the bishop Alexander. He was excommunicated for his teachings that claimed that Jesus was a created being. Arius adamantly rejected the use of the term ‘homoousios’ (of the same substance) as the identity of Jesus in relationship with the Father. He denied the Trinity because he believed that if Jesus is begotten, he must be a created being and capable of falling from grace. He also reasoned that if Jesus was a created being, he could not be God.
After Arius was excommunicated, he wrote jingles and set them to music to teach his doctrine and he launched a letter campaign to persuade others to his point of view. Arius’ friend Eusibius was also a friend of Constantine, Emperor of Rome. He persuaded Constantine to defend Arius. Constantine sent letters to Athanasius, the advisor to Alexander, the bishop who excommunicated Arius urging for harmony on this issue. Because the deity of Christ is a foundational issue to historical Christianity, harmony was not achieved.
Constantine then called for the first officially sanctioned council of Churches in Rome. Arianism was not a popular teaching in the western churches in Rome, therefore only 10 bishops responded and attended the council. In the east, where Arius was gaining popularity, this heresy was a big concern, therefore over 300 eastern bishops attended.
After a heated debate, the vote was almost unanimous against this heresy and the church officially adopted a creed to state its belief on the deity of Christ. Included were the word ‘homoousios’, affirming that Jesus was of the same substance as the Father, yet separate in personhood.
Only two bishops voted in favor of Arius. One was his friend Eusibius. Contrary to popular misconception, Constantine did not have a vote, nor did he participate in the arguments for or against the Trinity.
The almost unanimous vote was soon overturned when Constantine used his political power within the church.
After the council of Nicaea, Constantine converted to Arianism. Soon after, anyone who opposed the Arian doctrine was exiled.
One of the exiles was the bishop Alexander who excommunicated Arius. It is commonly taught that Constantine instituted the Trinity doctrine into the church. History reveals that the opposite is true.
Constantine was baptized as an Arian. The Arians were anti-Trinitarians.
The change in the church was not as the result of the Council of Nicaea. At the council, the historic position of the church was affirmed and written into a creed.
It was after this council that historic Christianity was exiled and replaced with the Arian heresy. "

Early church fathers focused much energy on refuting heretical views that infiltrated the church. The majority of the Trinity quotes were written in response to heresy being taught within the church.

A heresy is simply a doctrine that strays from the established Christian belief. A heretic is someone who adheres to and teaches this unorthodox doctrine.
In the case of the early church, heresies were teachings that directly conflicted with established Christian doctrine that was taught by Jesus and the apostles
and passed down to the early church fathers on vital issues, such as the deity of Christ, the nature of God, salvation by grace, etc.
The council of Nicaea rejected this heresy almost unanimously. The church’s position did not change from the time of the apostles until the heresy took root. It was political power alone that forced this into the church as an accepted doctrine.
Just as the early church fought against those who departed from historical Christianity, the battle in the church is the same today.
Many heresies that began back in the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centuries are making their resurgence today.
Many false teachers claim to be reformers and accuse the Trinitarian belief as being heresy, when in fact, it is they who have departed from historic Christianity.
There is a difference between traditional Christianity and historical Christianity.
Tradition is subjective to personal preference and does not necessarily have its roots in scripture.
Historical Christianity finds its roots in scripture and we have a historic trail of writings that reveal the truth about what the early church believed and what the apostles taught.

During the 2nd century - still a hundred years before the Council of Nicaea - we have ample quotes from the early church fathers:

Ignatius, Bishop of Antioch (A.D. 110): "There is One God who manifests himself through Jesus Christ his son"; "Son of Mary and Son of God…Jesus Christ our Lord…God Incarnate…Christ God," etc.

Polycarp of Bishop of Smyrna (A.D. 112-118), in his letter to the church at Philippi, assumes the divinity of Jesus, His glorification, etc.

Justin Martyr (~A.D. 150): "being the first-begotten Word of God, is even God"2; "...both God and Lord of hosts."

Irenaeus (~A.D. 185): "our Lord, and God, and Saviour, and King."

Clement of Alexandria (~A.D. 200): "truly most manifest Deity, He that is made equal to the Lord of the universe; because he was His Son."


Another of the often-overlooked rebuttals to those who deny Christ's claim to deity were the persecutions in Rome, and the voluntary martyrdom of the early Christians for their refusal to worship the emperor. Their martyrdom was a result of their exclusive commitment to Christ as God.

 

[duewell]

the bible is truth, repent your sins and ask for forgiveness, you can study the bible for your whole life, if you do no repent and ask Jesus for forgivness of your sins,why do all that studying in the first place. its the holy trinity, the father the son the holy spirit, to any who hold a bible at me and say use this to prove it, i simply reply, repent and ask Jesus for forgiveness and follow the spirit, you will get your own answers, and then be able to understand the bible as truth.

Duewell
truely i say to you, he is the Son of God, he has risen.

 

[Forgiven66]

Rather than me give you any opion of my own for I do not wish it to be misconstrued I will simply recitre scripture

But about the son He(the Father) says
Your throne O GOD will last forever and ever
And righteousness will be a sceptre of your kingdom
You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness
Therefore GOD, YOUR GOD
Has set you above your companions and annointed you with the oil of joy
Heb 1:8&9

See, I am sending my angel ahead of you to guard you along the way and to bring you to the place I have prepared
Pay attention to him and listen to what he says
Do not rebel against him, he will not forgive your rebellion, SINCE MY NAME IS IN HIM

Ex 23:20&21


In that day there WILL BE ONE LORD and his name the only name
Zech 14:9

Jesus answered them

Is it not written in your law
I have said ye are gods.
If he called them gods to whom the word of God came and the scriptures cannot be broken-what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world

John 10:34-36

For even if there are so called gods whether in Heaven or on earth(as indeed there are many gods and many lords)
Yet for us there is but ONE GOD, THE FATHER FROM WHOM all things came and FOR WHOM we live and ONE LORD JESUS CHRIST, THROUGH WHOM all things came and THROUGH WHOM we live

1 Cor 8:5&6

That they may know you(the Father) THE ONLY TRUE GOD and Jesus Christ whom you have sent
John 17:3

Yes the Son (Jesus) calls the Father His God (Psalms 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9; John 20:17). But this is not because the Son is less than the Father, but because the Father has authority over the Son, just as God has ordained that man and woman are equal (Galatians 3:28), but in the marriage the man is the head of the woman (I Corinthians 11:3), for in this verse we also see that God is the head of Christ, only the first clause of this verse deals with any different in true substance that being that Christ is the head of every man.

As for Exodus 23:20-21, you do know that Moses refers to the Angel of the Lord as God (Exodus 3:2-17; He is also refer to as God in Genesis 22:11-12).

As for Zechrariah 14:9, we are told to call on the name of the Lord to be saved (Joel 2:32; Romans 10:13). For Jesus tells us to be Baptized mentioning all members of the Godhead (Matthew 28:19), but Peter bring it to full that they are recognize by the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38) for it is in His name we are saved (Acts 4:12). And lest someone should say Jesus is Lord but not God just read Philippians 2:5-11 carefully, it tell us, Jesus is God.

Jesus of course is referring to Psalms 82:1-6 in John 10:34-36, were the Psalmism is mentioning the leaders of Israel as gods. But Jesus knowing what the Father meant was stating that He being the Son of God is God, and because He is God, they the Jews convicted Him of blasphemy, yet their leaders by Scripture were called god. For Matthew tells us He will be called Emmanuel, which means, God with us ( Matthew 1:23; Isaiah 7:14).

As for I Corinthians 8:5-6, Paul is teaching the Christians that things offer to idols if eaten do not harm Christian. But if a brother or sister in Christ is offended by seeing this we should avoid eating it in front of them (see verse 7-8), so as to not to use our liberty, as an offends, but by love serve one another (Galatians 5:7-15). But we know that this verse is not making a different between the Father and Son if we read Isaiah 44:6--"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and His Redeemer the LORD of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last: and beside Me there is no God.
So both the Father and the Son are called Lord and God.

 

[livingbygrace]

Yes the Son (Jesus) calls the Father His God (Psalms 45:6-7; Hebrews 1:8-9; John 20:17). But this is not because the Son is less than the Father, but because the Father has authority over the Son, just as God has ordained that man and woman are equal (Galatians 3:28), but in the marriage the man is the head of the woman (I Corinthians 11:3), for in this verse we also see that God is the head of Christ, only the first clause of this verse deals with any different in true substance that being that Christ is the head of every man.

As for Exodus 23:20-21, you do know that Moses refers to the Angel of the Lord as God (Exodus 3:2-17; He is also refer to as God in Genesis 22:11-12).

Christ has the title God(Heb 1:8&9) But is not the one true God John 17:3

The angel of the Lord who accompanied the Israelites was Christ if you read 1 Cor 10:4

You believe that the angel of the Lord is God Himself?

I thought JWs were considered bad for believing Christ was an angel


As for Zechrariah 14:9, we are told to call on the name of the Lord to be saved (Joel 2:32; Romans 10:13). For Jesus tells us to be Baptized mentioning all members of the Godhead (Matthew 28:19), but Peter bring it to full that they are recognize by the name of Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38) for it is in His name we are saved (Acts 4:12). And lest someone should say Jesus is Lord but not God just read Philippians 2:5-11 carefully, it tell us, Jesus is God.

Jesus of course is referring to Psalms 82:1-6 in John 10:34-36, were the Psalmism is mentioning the leaders of Israel as gods. But Jesus knowing what the Father meant was stating that He being the Son of God is God, and because He is God, they the Jews convicted Him of blasphemy, yet their leaders by Scripture were called god. For Matthew tells us He will be called Emmanuel, which means, God with us ( Matthew 1:23; Isaiah 7:14).

As for I Corinthians 8:5-6, Paul is teaching the Christians that things offer to idols if eaten do not harm Christian. But if a brother or sister in Christ is offended by seeing this we should avoid eating it in front of them (see verse 7-8), so as to not to use our liberty, as an offends, but by love serve one another (Galatians 5:7-15). But we know that this verse is not making a different between the Father and Son if we read Isaiah 44:6--"Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and His Redeemer the LORD of Hosts; I am the first, and I am the last: and beside Me there is no God.
So both the Father and the Son are called Lord and God.

Sorry I can't reply to all of this, I have constantly been discussing this for three weeks now on another thread. I will try and come back to it in a few days if you wish

 

[livingbygrace]

Sorry I can't reply to all of this, I have constantly been discussing this for three weeks now on another thread. I will try and come back to it in a few days if you wish

It would be fair of me just to elaborate on that with one verse

He was sent to be their ruler and deliverer by God Himself THROUGH THE ANGEL WHO APPEARED TO HIM IN THE BUSH

Acts 7:35

Don't forget, Christ is the WORD OF GOD

 

[zone]

Christ has the title God(Heb 1:8&9) But is not the one true God John 17:3

The angel of the Lord who accompanied the Israelites was Christ if you read 1 Cor 10:4

You believe that the angel of the Lord is God Himself?

general reply:
what does scripture say?

Judges 6
The Call of Gideon
11 Now the angel of the Lord came and sat under the terebinth at Ophrah, which belonged to Joash the Abiezrite, while his son Gideon was beating out wheat in the winepress to hide it from the Midianites. 12 And the angel of the Lord appeared to him and said to him, “The Lord is with you, O mighty man of valor.” 13 And Gideon said to him, “Please, sir,a if the Lord is with us, why then has all this happened to us? And where are all his wonderful deeds that our fathers recounted to us, saying, ‘Did not the Lord bring us up from Egypt?’ But now the Lord has forsaken us and given us into the hand of Midian.” 14 And the Lord (3068. Yhvh) turned to him and said, “Go in this might of yours and save Israel from the hand of Midian; do not I send you?” 15 And he said to him, “Please, Lord (136. Adonay), how can I save Israel? Behold, my clan is the weakest in Manasseh, and I am the least in my father’s house.” 16 And the Lord said to him, “But I will be with you, and you shall strike the Midianites as one man.” 17 And he said to him, “If now I have found favor in your eyes, then show me a sign that it is you who speak with me. 18 Please do not depart from here until I come to you and bring out my present and set it before you.” And he said, “I will stay till you return.”

3068. Yhvh
the proper name of the God of Israel​

Original Word: יְהֹוָה
Transliteration: Yhvh
Phonetic Spelling: (yeh-ho-vaw')
Short Definition: LORD

And the LORD
Yhovah (yeh-ho-vaw')
(the) self-Existent or Eternal; Jehovah, Jewish national name of God -- Jehovah, the Lord.

136. Adonay
Lord​

Original Word: אֲדֹנָי
Transliteration: Adonay
Phonetic Spelling: (ad-o-noy')
Short Definition: Lord

Lord
Am emphatic form of 'adown; the Lord (used as a proper name of God only) -- (my) Lord.

 

[livingbygrace]

Lol

General reply

No one has seen God

1 John 4:12

 

[zone]

Lol

General reply

No one has seen God

1 John 4:12

Jehovah’s Witnesses
By Dr. Walter Martin
The Deity of Jesus Christ

Throughout the entire content of inspired Scripture the fact of Christ’s identity is clearly taught. He is revealed as Jehovah God in human form (Isaiah 9:6; Micah 5:2; Isaiah 7:14; John 1:14; 8:58; 17:5 [cf. Exodus 3:14]; Hebrews 1:3; Philippians 2:11; Colossians 2:9; and Revelation 1:8, 17–18; etc.). The deity of Jesus Christ is one of the cornerstones of Christianity, and as such has been attacked more vigorously throughout the ages than any other single doctrine of the Christian faith. Adhering to the old Arian heresy of the fourth century A.D., which Athanasius the great church Father refuted in his famous essay “On the Incarnation of the Word,” many individuals and all cults steadfastly deny the equality of Jesus Christ with God the Father, and, consequently, the Triune deity. Jehovah’s Witnesses, as has been observed, are no exception to this infamous rule. However, the testimony of the Scriptures stands sure, and the above mentioned references alone put to silence forever this blasphemous heresy, which in the power of Satan himself deceives many with its “deceitful handling of the Word of God.”

The deity of Christ, then, is a prime answer to Jehovah’s Witnesses, for if the Trinity is a reality, which it is, if Jesus and Jehovah are “One” and the same, then the whole framework of the cult collapses into a heap of shattered, disconnected doctrines incapable of even a semblance of congruity. We will now consider the verses in question, and their bearing on the matter....
...Isaiah, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, describes Christ as “Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”—all attributes of God alone. The term “mighty God” is in itself indicative of Jehovah since not only is He the only God (Isaiah 43:10–11), but the term “mighty” is applied to Him alone in relation to His deity. Jehovah’s Witnesses dodge this verse by claiming that Christ is a mighty god, but not the Almighty God (Jehovah). This argument is ridiculous on the face of the matter. However, Jehovah’s Witnesses insist that since there is no article in the Hebrew text, “mighty,” therefore, does not mean Jehovah. The question arises: Are there two “mighty Gods”? This we know is absurd; yet Jehovah’s Witnesses persist in the fallacy....
Jehovah’s Witnesses

 

[livingbygrace]

General reply

No one has seen God AT ANY TIME

1 John 4:12

 

[zone]

General reply

No one has seen God AT ANY TIME

1 John 4:12

POLYTHEISM IS PAGANISM.
NOT CHRISTIANITY.



John 1:18
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us. (NWT)

John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. (NASB)


Genesis 17:1
“Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty ; Walk before Me, and be blameless;

Genesis 18:1
Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.”

Exodus 6:2-3
“God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD; 3and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.”

Exodus 24:9-11
“Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.”

Numbers 12:6-8
“He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. 7"Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?"

Acts 7:2
"And he [Stephen] said, 'Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran...'"

~

1 Timothy 6
13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony befored Pontius Pilate made the good confession, 14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

Revelation 17:14
They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."

Revelation 19:16
On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 19:13
He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 4:24
God (2316. theos) is spirit (4151. pneuma), and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father (3962. patér) in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.

 

[livingbygrace]

POLYTHEISM IS PAGANISM.
NOT CHRISTIANITY.



John 1:18
No one has ever seen God. But the unique One, who is himself God, is near to the Father's heart. He has revealed God to us. (NWT)

John 1:18
No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. (NASB)


No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten son which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath made him known

KJV









Genesis 17:1
“Now when Abram was ninety-nine years old, the LORD appeared to Abram and said to him, "I am God Almighty ; Walk before Me, and be blameless;

Genesis 18:1
Now the LORD appeared to him by the oaks of Mamre, while he was sitting at the tent door in the heat of the day.”

Exodus 6:2-3
“God spoke further to Moses and said to him, "I am the LORD; 3and I appeared to Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, as God Almighty, but by My name, LORD, I did not make Myself known to them.”

Exodus 24:9-11
“Then Moses went up with Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel, 10and they saw the God of Israel; and under His feet there appeared to be a pavement of sapphire, as clear as the sky itself. 11Yet He did not stretch out His hand against the nobles of the sons of Israel; and they saw God, and they ate and drank.”

Numbers 12:6-8
“He said, "Hear now My words: If there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, shall make Myself known to him in a vision. I shall speak with him in a dream. 7"Not so, with My servant Moses, He is faithful in all My household; 8With him I speak mouth to mouth, Even openly, and not in dark sayings, And he beholds the form of the LORD. Why then were you not afraid To speak against My servant, against Moses ?"

Acts 7:2
"And he [Stephen] said, 'Hear me, brethren and fathers! The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham when he was in Mesopotamia, before he lived in Haran...'"

~

1 Timothy 6
13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony befored Pontius Pilate made the good confession, 14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ, 15 which he will display at the proper time—he who is the blessed and only Sovereign, the King of kings and Lord of lords, 16 who alone has immortality, who dwells in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see. To him be honor and eternal dominion. Amen.

Revelation 17:14
They will make war against the Lamb, but the Lamb will overcome them because he is Lord of lords and King of kings--and with him will be his called, chosen and faithful followers."

Revelation 19:16
On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written: KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.

Revelation 19:13
He is clothed in a robe dipped in blood, and the name by which he is called is The Word of God.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.

John 4:24
God (2316. theos) is spirit (4151. pneuma), and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

John 4:23
But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father (3962. patér) in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him.

No man hath seen God AT ANY TIME

1 John 4:12

No-one has seen the Father except the one who is from God, only he has seen the Father

John 6:46

I do not mind what I am accused of being Polyethiesm(is that right etc) I will take all the insults and accusations given and STAND on scripture

And your Greek is not helping you one bit as you believe it proves Manoah saw God Himself

 

[zone]

No man hath seen God AT ANY TIME

1 John 4:12

Jesus Christ is the Great I AM

Jesus Christ claimed to be the “I AM.” It is the personal name of the God of the Old Testament (Exodus 3:13-14). On several occasions it is recorded that Jesus used the “I AM” formula in attesting to His deity. He claimed to be the LORD God, Jehovah, Yahweh.

The greatest of all the names for the Lord Jesus Christ is the “I AM.”

This is why the apostle Paul wrote: “God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11). Jesus is Lord. The name that is above all other names is “Lord,” and it is equivalent to “Jehovah” or Yahweh. This is the exact equivalent to the words, “I AM.”
The name that is above all earthly and heavenly names is Yahweh, the great “I AM THAT I AM.”

The apostle Paul tells us that the Lord Jesus is so above all other beings that all who are in heaven and the earth will bow and worship Him. He is God. He is not one among many gods, but the One and Only (Acts 4:12; 1 Tim. 2:5; 1 Cor. 8:4).

On one occasion He responded to the Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well when she perceived that He could possibly be the long awaited for Messiah. Jesus said, “He who speaks to you am he.” Literally, Jesus said, “I am,” pointing to His claim to the title “I AM.”

Moreover, that is not the only time He made the claim. He used these words to refer to His deity in John 8:24. “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” He was saying you cannot be saved unless you recognize and believe that Jesus Christ is God.

A little later He used the formula again, even more clearly when He said, “before Abraham was born, I am” (8:58). The Jewish leaders gathered around listening to Jesus knew exactly what He meant because they picked up stones to kill Him. He was claiming to be the great I AM and they understood that.

Seven times in the Gospel of John Jesus claims to be the great “I am” (4:26; 6:20; 8:24, 28, 58; 13:19; 18:5). In every one of these contexts the “I am” keeps reinforcing the deity of Jesus. He is stating His claim to be God.

Moreover, there are seven more occasions when Jesus used the great formula coupled with a noun describing Himself as the only one who can meet man’s greatest needs in life. He uses the name Jehovah to declare His uniqueness.

Jesus fed 5,000 men and declared, “I am the Bread of Life” (John 6:35). He alone is able to satisfy the greatest spiritual hunger in your life. Have you come to Him and ate His bread and drank His blood? There is no other way to have life. Do you go to Him daily and eat the bread of life? You will starve to death spiritually if you do not eat at His table daily.

Jesus said, “I am the Light of the world” (8:12; 9:5). He healed a blind man groping in darkness and then opened his spiritual eyes so he could see the great I AM and worship Him. Are you wandering around in a spiritual darkness following one blind religious guide after another? Jesus is the only light you need to guide you into God’s holy presence. All other “lights” are evil in nature and will only lead you into eternal darkness.

Jesus said that He is the only door into God’s presence. He said, “I am the Door” (10:7, 9). All other doors lead down the wrong path and to eternal destruction. Jesus is the entrance into eternal life (Acts 4:12).

Jesus said, “I am the Good Shepherd” (10:11, 14). Every individual is like a wandering, stray lost lamb caught in the briars of sin. There are a lot of false shepherds herding up stray sheep to take to slaughter. Jesus is the only Good Shepherd. He will take you by the hand and led you into the Father’s presence and give you His nourishment.

Jesus conquered death. Not only did He say, “I am the resurrection and life” (11:25-26), but He rose from the dead to prove it. In fact, this is the great evidence that Jesus Christ is the great I AM THAT I AM. He died, was buried, and three days later rose from the dead. Because He is alive, He can give the resurrection life. This is our hope in the face of death. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life” (14:6). Only God can claim that. Furthermore, He sustains our spiritual life because He is the True Vine, the only way, and the giver of life. Jesus said, “I am the True Vine” (15:1, 5).

http://www.abideinchrist.com/selah/mar19.html

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What will YOU do with the great I AM?

Acts 18:16
But when the Jews opposed Paul and became abusive, he shook out his clothes in protest and said to them, "Your blood be on your own heads! I am clear of my responsibility. From now on I will go to the Gentiles."

 

[zone]

No man hath seen God AT ANY TIME

1 John 4:12

No-one has seen the Father except the one who is from God, only he has seen the Father

John 6:46

I do not mind what I am accused of being Polyethiesm(is that right etc) I will take all the insults and accusations given and STAND on scripture

And your Greek is not helping you one bit as you believe it proves Manoah saw God Himself

goodbye LBG.

 

[livingbygrace]

Jesus Christ is the Great I AM

Jesus Christ claimed to be the “I AM.” It is the personal name of the God of the Old Testament (Exodus 3:13-14). On several occasions it is recorded that Jesus used the “I AM” formula in attesting to His deity. He claimed to be the LORD God, Jehovah, Yahweh.

The greatest of all the names for the Lord Jesus Christ is the “I AM.”

This is why the apostle Paul wrote: “God highly exalted Him, and bestowed on Him the name which is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee will bow, of those who are in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and that every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” (Philippians 2:9-11). Jesus is Lord. The name that is above all other names is “Lord,” and it is equivalent to “Jehovah” or Yahweh. This is the exact equivalent to the words, “I AM.”
The name that is above all earthly and heavenly names is Yahweh, the great “I AM THAT I AM.”

The apostle Paul tells us that the Lord Jesus is so above all other beings that all who are in heaven and the earth will bow and worship Him. He is God. He is not one among many gods, but the One and Only (Acts 4:12; 1 Tim. 2:5; 1 Cor. 8:4).

On one occasion He responded to the Samaritan woman at Jacob’s well when she perceived that He could possibly be the long awaited for Messiah. Jesus said, “He who speaks to you am he.” Literally, Jesus said, “I am,” pointing to His claim to the title “I AM.”

Moreover, that is not the only time He made the claim. He used these words to refer to His deity in John 8:24. “Therefore I said to you that you will die in your sins; for unless you believe that I am He, you will die in your sins.” He was saying you cannot be saved unless you recognize and believe that Jesus Christ is God.

A little later He used the formula again, even more clearly when He said, “before Abraham was born, I am” (8:58). The Jewish leaders gathered around listening to Jesus knew exactly what He meant because they picked up stones to kill Him. He was claiming to be the great I AM and they understood that.

Seven times in the Gospel of John Jesus claims to be the great “I am” (4:26; 6:20; 8:24, 28, 58; 13:19; 18:5). In every one of these contexts the “I am” keeps reinforcing the deity of Jesus. He is stating His claim to be God.

Moreover, there are seven more occasions when Jesus used the great formula coupled with a noun describing Himself as the only one who can meet man’s greatest needs in life. He uses the name Jehovah to declare His uniqueness.

Jesus fed 5,000 men and declared, “I am the Bread of Life” (John 6:35). He alone is able to satisfy the greatest spiritual hunger in your life. Have you come to Him and ate His bread and drank His blood? There is no other way to have life. Do you go to Him daily and eat the bread of life? You will starve to death spiritually if you do not eat at His table daily.

Jesus said, “I am the Light of the world” (8:12; 9:5). He healed a blind man groping in darkness and then opened his spiritual eyes so he could see the great I AM and worship Him. Are you wandering around in a spiritual darkness following one blind religious guide after another? Jesus is the only light you need to guide you into God’s holy presence. All other “lights” are evil in nature and will only lead you into eternal darkness.

Jesus said that He is the only door into God’s presence. He said, “I am the Door” (10:7, 9). All other doors lead down the wrong path and to eternal destruction. Jesus is the entrance into eternal life (Acts 4:12).

Jesus said, “I am the Good Shepherd” (10:11, 14). Every individual is like a wandering, stray lost lamb caught in the briars of sin. There are a lot of false shepherds herding up stray sheep to take to slaughter. Jesus is the only Good Shepherd. He will take you by the hand and led you into the Father’s presence and give you His nourishment.

Jesus conquered death. Not only did He say, “I am the resurrection and life” (11:25-26), but He rose from the dead to prove it. In fact, this is the great evidence that Jesus Christ is the great I AM THAT I AM. He died, was buried, and three days later rose from the dead. Because He is alive, He can give the resurrection life. This is our hope in the face of death. Jesus said, “I am the way, the truth and the life” (14:6). Only God can claim that. Furthermore, He sustains our spiritual life because He is the True Vine, the only way, and the giver of life. Jesus said, “I am the True Vine” (15:1, 5).

http://www.abideinchrist.com/selah/mar19.html

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What will YOU do with the great I AM?

Acts 18:16
But when the Jews opposed Paul and became abusive, he shook out his clothes in protest and said to them, "Your blood be on your own heads! I am clear of my responsibility. From now on I will go to the Gentiles."

There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within the bush

Ex 3:2

He was sent to be their ruler by God Himself THROUGH THE ANGEL who appeared to him in the Bush

Acts 7:35

And Christ is THE WORD OF GOD

And just to say how Paul REALLY AND TRULY believed on this matter

Then the end will come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power
For he must REIGN UNTIL he has put all his enemies under his feet, the last enemy to be destroyed is death
For he has put everything under his feet.
Now when it says that everything has been put under him IT IS CLEAR THAT THIS DOES NOT INCLUDE GOD HIMSELF WHO PUT EVERYTHING UNDER CHRIST
When he has done this, then the son himself will be made SUBJECT to him who put everything under him so that God may be all in all

1 Cor 15:24-28

Goodbye Zone

I am clear of my responsibility too