If she bought herself a good toilet for $250 and gave me the other $22,750, I could send a team of (4) single, full time trained missionaries to a marginal country for one full year to do nothing but preach and teach and spread the gospel in hopes of planting a local church. I think that would be money better spent and with a lot more fruit that would reign for eternity. When we give an account of our lives before God, we will have to give an account of our stewardship and that includes finances.
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Why not fill us in on what you have found out and define the source, seeing it has been mentioned. That way those that want to lay it to rest, can do that, and others that feel there has been criticism can know the truth and go on in life. If she wants to spend $23,000 on an item like that, she can and that is between her and God.
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Hi, I’m new here. : )
Forgive me butting in…I’d like to contribute my thoughts.
I’ve read and enjoyed Joyce Meyer’s books. They spoke to me and moved me, and inspired me to get out my bible and become closer to God.
I conducted a brief internet search on the subject of the over-priced toilet. More than one source identifies the item in question as an antique “commode,” not a “toilet.”
According to this website, it was donated to her ministry:
http://www.philcooke.com/Joyce_Meyer_toilet
However, I can’t seem to find a corroborating source…although I did find that there are quite a few people more than anxious to skewer Joyce Meyer at any opportunity.
As to the disagreement here, there may be a simple solution. Apparently some people benefit from Meyer, and some do not. Those who do not may easily choose to avoid her.
Forgive me butting in…I’d like to contribute my thoughts.
I’ve read and enjoyed Joyce Meyer’s books. They spoke to me and moved me, and inspired me to get out my bible and become closer to God.
I conducted a brief internet search on the subject of the over-priced toilet. More than one source identifies the item in question as an antique “commode,” not a “toilet.”
According to this website, it was donated to her ministry:
http://www.philcooke.com/Joyce_Meyer_toilet
However, I can’t seem to find a corroborating source…although I did find that there are quite a few people more than anxious to skewer Joyce Meyer at any opportunity.
As to the disagreement here, there may be a simple solution. Apparently some people benefit from Meyer, and some do not. Those who do not may easily choose to avoid her.
I took your advice and found this statement given by Joyce Meyers Ministries:
quote 'Regarding the Purchase of a $23,000 Commode – While many have mistakenly associated this piece of furniture with a common household toilet, this particular term actually refers to the classic definition of commode identified by Webster’s Dictionary as, “a tall elegant chest of drawers.” In 2001, when the ministry moved into its current 150,000-square-foot headquarters located in Fenton, Missouri, a significant amount of furniture was needed for the larger facility. This “commode” was one piece of a total of sixty-eight pieces purchased from a single supplier to finish out the interior of the offices. A total of $261,498.21 was paid for these sixty-eight (the majority were significant in size) pieces of furniture. The $23,000 purchase price of this chest of drawers was actually an errant value assigned by the selling agent after the transaction was complete for the entire sixty-eight piece lot. Joyce Meyer Ministries humbly regrets not paying closer attention to specific “assigned values” placed on those pieces that have now led to gross misrepresentations. Joyce Meyer Ministries takes financial stewardship and accountability very seriously, and this oversight serves as an opportunity to only improve future practices'. unquote
If you are satisfied with that statement then it can be put to rest. I have no personal or spiritual interest in this matter. However, my statement about what could be done with $22,750 stands as is. What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and loose his own soul or what shall a man give in exchange for his own soul (Mk 8:36,37). As Merryheart has said more than once, she (and we) are about lost souls. If we only have the (5) loaves and the (2) fishes to feed the multitudes, it is enough because God will bless it and we will have more left over than was in the beginning. There is no restraint to the Lord to save by many or by few (1Sam 14:6), but two are better than one (Eccl 4:9), a three-fold cord is not easily broken (Eccl 4:12), (5) will chase a (1000) and (100) will send (10,000) to flight (Lev 26:8). That is God's multiplication table of grace not man's (1Pt 1:2). The believers in the book of Acts had all things common and such as they had was not their own (Acts 2:44-47, Acts 4:32-37). Are we as believers willing to be of one accord and have all things common?
quote 'Regarding the Purchase of a $23,000 Commode – While many have mistakenly associated this piece of furniture with a common household toilet, this particular term actually refers to the classic definition of commode identified by Webster’s Dictionary as, “a tall elegant chest of drawers.” In 2001, when the ministry moved into its current 150,000-square-foot headquarters located in Fenton, Missouri, a significant amount of furniture was needed for the larger facility. This “commode” was one piece of a total of sixty-eight pieces purchased from a single supplier to finish out the interior of the offices. A total of $261,498.21 was paid for these sixty-eight (the majority were significant in size) pieces of furniture. The $23,000 purchase price of this chest of drawers was actually an errant value assigned by the selling agent after the transaction was complete for the entire sixty-eight piece lot. Joyce Meyer Ministries humbly regrets not paying closer attention to specific “assigned values” placed on those pieces that have now led to gross misrepresentations. Joyce Meyer Ministries takes financial stewardship and accountability very seriously, and this oversight serves as an opportunity to only improve future practices'. unquote
If you are satisfied with that statement then it can be put to rest. I have no personal or spiritual interest in this matter. However, my statement about what could be done with $22,750 stands as is. What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and loose his own soul or what shall a man give in exchange for his own soul (Mk 8:36,37). As Merryheart has said more than once, she (and we) are about lost souls. If we only have the (5) loaves and the (2) fishes to feed the multitudes, it is enough because God will bless it and we will have more left over than was in the beginning. There is no restraint to the Lord to save by many or by few (1Sam 14:6), but two are better than one (Eccl 4:9), a three-fold cord is not easily broken (Eccl 4:12), (5) will chase a (1000) and (100) will send (10,000) to flight (Lev 26:8). That is God's multiplication table of grace not man's (1Pt 1:2). The believers in the book of Acts had all things common and such as they had was not their own (Acts 2:44-47, Acts 4:32-37). Are we as believers willing to be of one accord and have all things common?
After reading a few replies to this it seems the question got to if a woman should be having athourity over a man. To answer that Joyce does not hold athourity over an men. Her husband Dave is the Pastor. As for her meetings it is open to anyone who wants to come male or female. As for her teachings I say she is a great teacher who tries to give The word of God in such away that all who hear her can get an understanding.
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And I agree that the scripture is the inspired Word of God, which contain letters written by the Apostle Paul to the believers of his day. I would like to think that you are a brother in Christ but I sense that you are a man who thinks that the Holy Spirit does not speak to women nor can use women for service to God. If I recall at the day of Pentecost, the fire of the Holy Spirit fell on men AND women. I thought we were all ONE body in Christ, ALL servants of God. I thought Jesus Christ died for the sins of the World and I thought women were part of that world. I didn't think God was a respector of persons. So why did Jesus appear to a woman first after his resurrection? What about Esther and Ruth and Rahab and the Samaratin woman at the well? Did she not go back and tell (teach) the men about Jesus who came out to see for themselves? There are many, many accounts in the bible where God used women in service to Him. I don't think it is for you to judge how God uses his vessels. I'm sure we are on different spiritual levels in our lives and maybe the Holy Spirit just hasn't revealed this to you yet. Maybe if you open up your heart in this area, he just might.
Concerning Joyce Meyer and any women that have ministries, they have the freedom to do whatever they consider their calling to be. Thy have to be the ones that live before God, stand or fall, and they have to give an account to God for all of it, according to the specifics of God's word. If God did not call them to do what they are doing, it will be revealed exactly as to what is really was, because God will make it known and they will be rewarded accordingly. For me to judge these women is not my calling nor do I have any interest in judging them. However, if I am asked about women becoming preachers, teachers and pastors, then I will have to refer and answer according to the scriptures without compromise but with balance.
If you to ask me if I think Joyce Meyer should be preaching and teaching as she is, that is between her and God. If she is part of a local church that has sent her out with a calling from God, she would be under the authority of that local church. If she is not doing her ministry under the authority of a local church, then I would say she is operating in her calling independently without the protection of a local body, without the authority that God wants her to have and outside the perfect will of God. That does not mean God will not bless her or use her to minister to people.
Some of the women here, say that they have been blessed by her teaching and that may be within her calling. The Apostle Paul was outside the perfect will of God when he went to Jerusalem. He was warned three times by the Spirit through disciples, in different locations, not to go but he went. God was with him and did not forsake him and he even took the Nazarite vow which was according to the law and had been done away with. The fact that Joyce Meyer and others have big crowds and large followings is not an indication of God's anointing, even though they are attracted to her teachings and personality and can identify with many of the things she has experienced. These are all good things and they have a place in ministering to people. I am going to leave it there, though more could be said. I have tried to be balanced without carrying a heavy stick.
If you to ask me if I think Joyce Meyer should be preaching and teaching as she is, that is between her and God. If she is part of a local church that has sent her out with a calling from God, she would be under the authority of that local church. If she is not doing her ministry under the authority of a local church, then I would say she is operating in her calling independently without the protection of a local body, without the authority that God wants her to have and outside the perfect will of God. That does not mean God will not bless her or use her to minister to people.
Some of the women here, say that they have been blessed by her teaching and that may be within her calling. The Apostle Paul was outside the perfect will of God when he went to Jerusalem. He was warned three times by the Spirit through disciples, in different locations, not to go but he went. God was with him and did not forsake him and he even took the Nazarite vow which was according to the law and had been done away with. The fact that Joyce Meyer and others have big crowds and large followings is not an indication of God's anointing, even though they are attracted to her teachings and personality and can identify with many of the things she has experienced. These are all good things and they have a place in ministering to people. I am going to leave it there, though more could be said. I have tried to be balanced without carrying a heavy stick.
i don't think we should focus on weather we like or dislike her. i think that she teaches a lot of practical life applications. she teaches a lot on joy. but anyway.... on saying weather we like or dislike is like setting up a debate. I don't think God would want us to talk about liking or disliking someone. Maybe it would have been better to say do you like or dislike her teaching?????? hmmmmmmmmmmm lets all focus on encouraging one another and the people around us.
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