In loving memory of the pre-trib rapture may it R.I.P.

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In loving memory of the pre-trib rapture may it R.I.P

Just a few words in memory of that dead pre-trib rapture.

I didn’t like him from the beginning, he smelt like fish and rotting flesh.

But in the millions my brothers paid tithe of 10% and bowed the nee. So maybe just maybe it was me that couldn’t see.

So I followed him to see where he went late at night, and boy did I get a fright. Page by page verse by verse, I found him in bed with other gods. Mr Heroin Smack and Mrs Crack Cocaine and that vibrant woman Miss methamphetamine.

His smokey haze from that crack pipe, I followed him late that night.

I told the Pentecostals what I seen in Rv11 and Matt24 and all that was between, they said not to speak about it no more or I would be out that door.

The strongest of churches I thought it to be, the Pentecostals wasn’t for me. They heard not Gods voce that day and tried to make me go away.

In tears of pain I cried to sleep where were Gods people, not near my feet. My brothers and sisters I could not play for they were of in a smoky haze.

30 years I fell asleep where were Gods people i searched I my head.

And then I had a dream to awake and to get out of my bed, and read my Bible like never before and shout from the roof tops you pre-trib whore.

And to my amazement I sure, another brother with that same crown shouting from the roof tops Matt24 you pre-trib whore.

And another and another with the similar crown, the people of God I have found, praise the lord o praise His name, they hear His voice just the same.

Using puss the pre-trib he is dead upon the kitchen floor, and we are cleaning his mess up behind that door.

Sometimes we will think on that dead pre-trib whore, till one day soon we will think on him no more.

Matt24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
 
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lol that's good...just waiting for the backlash tho...
 
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lol that's good...just waiting for the backlash tho...
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No backlash from me. The only reason to post something like that is because he's looking for backlash. Or kudos from people who believe as he does.

Time will tell who is right.
 
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You won't get any argument from me!!
 
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scripture was given and the scripture ended it all
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1 Thessalonians 5

2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

On the ONE day of the LORD, Jesus comes back as a thief. and the The WORLD(they) will be caught in SUDDEN destruction. The ONLY time Jesus comes back, will be in fire.
 
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1 Thessalonians 5

2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

On the ONE day of the LORD, Jesus comes back as a thief. and the The WORLD(they) will be caught in SUDDEN destruction. The ONLY time Jesus comes back, will be in fire.
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Already addressed here:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...lation-believing-christians-8.html#post504767

 
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Could you show me please. I don't see where you adress it, i see it quickly dissmissed. How can you get anything else from these two verses? Please explain
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The day of the Lord begins with the return of Jesus Christ gathering the tribulation saints at the end of the tribulation (Matthew 24) and his to battle with the Beast's armies (Revelation 19).

The "day of Christ" refers to the pre tribulation rapture of the church age saints. No other passages outside the Pauline epistles refer to "the day of Christ" etc. because it is specific to the church age saints. Last time I posted the references and now I will post the passages in their entirety. Jesus Christ will appear visibly on "the day of the Lord" at the end of the tribulation and not in "the day of Christ."

1 Corinthians 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.

2 Corinthians 1:14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:

Philippians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ;

Philippians 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain.

I am not in disagreement with you that there is a post tribulation rapture. All the ones that you have cited except for:

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 ¶Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


Notice that Paul is speaking to the church at Corinth and he is alluding to the "kingdom of God" which is entered in via the new birth (John 3:3/Romans 1:16/1 Corinthians 4:15/1 Peter 1:23/1Thessalonians 4:15).

 
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FIRST ADVENT........a thousand years.......satan released> SECOND ADVENT/2 resurrection/Judgment >> ETERNITY
 
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1 Thessalonians 5

2For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

On the ONE day of the LORD, Jesus comes back as a thief. and the The WORLD(they) will be caught in SUDDEN destruction. The ONLY time Jesus comes back, will be in fire.
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How long does this day last?

2 Peter 3:8 ¶But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation chapter 19 speaks of the battle consisting of Jesus Christ and his armies (Revelation 19:14) vs "the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies (Revelation 19:19). No fire there. This is right before the millenial reign of the Lord Jesus Christ (Revelation 20:4) Notice here:

Revelation 20:8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. This is at the end of the millenial reign.

You may start referencing:

Malachi 4:1 ¶For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the LORD of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
2 But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.
3 And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the LORD of hosts.
4 ¶Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.
 
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The day of the Lord begins with the return of Jesus Christ gathering the tribulation saints at the end of the tribulation (Matthew 24) and his to battle with the Beast's armies (Revelation 19).

The "day of Christ" refers to the pre tribulation rapture of the church age saints. No other passages outside the Pauline epistles refer to "the day of Christ" etc. because it is specific to the church age saints. Last time I posted the references and now I will post the passages in their entirety. Jesus Christ will appear visibly on "the day of the Lord" at the end of the tribulation and not in "the day of Christ."


1 Corinthians 1:8 Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. (This says day of Our Lord Jesus Christ. It mentions LORD and CHRIST. So which one is this one?)



1 Corinthians 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus. (this doesnt say day of Christ, it says the day of theLORD Jesus, which is the day of the LORD. )

2 Corinthians 1:14 As also ye have acknowledged us in part, that we are your rejoicing, even as ye also are ours in the day of the Lord Jesus. ( This says LORD Jesus also, and not "Day of Christ" you said day of Christ was seprate day from "day of the LORD, and hten quote passages that dont say "Day of Christ" why? i still dont understand the seperation my Friend. The Bible never makes such seperation)

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
(Ok this one i can see as it being the "Day of Christ" Even though it says the day of JESUS Christ, and since YOUR the one that is making it a semantics issue, You said "Day of Christ" is different then "Day of the LORD" but again, THIS doesnt Say "Day of Christ")

Philippians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ; (ok this is the FIRST passage that says Day of Christ. Cool. So your sayign this is different then the day of the LORD...how?)

Philippians 2:16 Holding forth the word of life; that I may rejoice in the day of Christ, that I have not run in vain, neither laboured in vain. (same with this one, ok he says Day of Christ, But how is this different?)

I am not in disagreement with you that there is a post tribulation rapture.(so you believe in TWO raptures?) All the ones that you have cited except for:

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 ¶Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.


Notice that Paul is speaking to the church at Corinth and he is alluding to the "kingdom of God" which is entered in via the new birth (John 3:3/Romans 1:16/1 Corinthians 4:15/1 Peter 1:23/1Thessalonians 4:15).
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So wait, hold the phone... TO you, there are TWO Raptures? Im STILL confused. What are you arguing FOR or against?
 
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So wait, hold the phone... TO you, there are TWO Raptures? Im STILL confused. What are you arguing FOR or against?
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Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Notice that in the above passage in this post tribulation rapture that angels are gathering the elect and the condition to be raptured there is:

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Enduring to the end of the tribulation and you'll be saved. Don't take the mark of the Beast (Revelation 20:4)
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Faith and works to be saved and post trib raptured!!
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1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

No Matthew 24:29 signs here, no angels gathering saints

The way to be saved and raptured here is right in the context as well:
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

believe that Jesus Christ died and rose again (like 1 Corinthians 15:1-4/Romans 10:9)
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1 Corinthians 15:51 ¶Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

No Matthew 24:29 signs here, no angels gathering saints

How to be saved and pre trib raptured in the church age according to the context of the scripture:
1 Corinthians 15:1 ¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
 
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Matthew 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Notice that in the above passage in this post tribulation rapture that angels are gathering the elect and the condition to be raptured there is:

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Enduring to the end of the tribulation and you'll be saved. Don't take the mark of the Beast (Revelation 20:4)
Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Faith and works to be saved and post trib raptured!!
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1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
18 Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

No Matthew 24:29 signs here, no angels gathering saints

The way to be saved and raptured here is right in the context as well:
1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

believe that Jesus Christ died and rose again (like 1 Corinthians 15:1-4/Romans 10:9)
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1 Corinthians 15:51 ¶Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

No Matthew 24:29 signs here, no angels gathering saints

How to be saved and pre trib raptured in the church age according to the context of the scripture:
1 Corinthians 15:1 ¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
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OH ok... so you dont think the Trump of God, and the great sound of a Trumpet(or Great Trumpet) are the same trumpet? And you belive that ALL you have to do is belive. No Obeying the words of Jesus for you? No denying self and having Jesus be LORD(ownership, denying will, and dyign to flesh) No being led by the spirit of GOd for you? ok. Just belive, then live your life ignorign Jesus, and get wisked away before dramma happens? I dont mean to sound rude, so please, but really is that in essence what you are saying?
 
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OH ok... so you dont think the Trump of God, and the great sound of a Trumpet(or Great Trumpet) are the same trumpet? And you belive that ALL you have to do is belive. No Obeying the words of Jesus for you? No denying self and having Jesus be LORD(ownership, denying will, and dyign to flesh) No being led by the spirit of GOd for you? ok. Just belive, then live your life ignorign Jesus, and get wisked away before dramma happens? I dont mean to sound rude, so please, but really is that in essence what you are saying?
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Gospel of the kingdom:

Matthew 4:23 ¶And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Matthew 9:35 ¶And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people.

Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

#1. Jesus Christ commissioned the gospel of the kingdom to the Jews. The Bible says:

Romans 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers: Circumcision = Jews

#2 If you say this is my opinion, see the scriptures that prove it:
Matthew 10:5 ¶These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: (avoid the Gentiles/Samaritans)
6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
You can't get any plainer that this!!!
7 And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.
8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

Salvation during this time period AND the tribulation period are faith and works as evidenced by Matthew 10:22 and -

Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Jesus Christ is preaching about "the end" of something in both passages. How do we know this is dealing with the tribulation period? With the context of scripture!

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

Here's the scriptural evidence of folks that endured to the end of the tribulation:

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; (see Revelation 13:12-18 as this event is SPECIFIC TO THE TRIBULATION PERIOD) and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The term "kingdom of heaven" is specific to the book of Matthew and it is not found in the Pauline epistles nor is the "gospel of the kingdom" found in the epistles which deal with the church age. The gospel of the kingdom deals with Jesus Christ offering the kingdom of heaven (which we will see again in the millenial reign of Revelation 20 since the Jews rejected their Messiah) to his people (the Jews) accompanied with signs and wonders (see Matthew 10:8 above) because the Jews require a sign. This is not my opinion:

1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:

Notice what qualifies as signs:

Mark 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover. Hello Matthew 4:23, 9:35, 10:8!!

When you cite the book of Hebrews, notice who it is written to....Hebrews/Jews and it points to a time between the church age and the tribulation period. What's the scriptural proof for that?

Hebrews 3:6 But Christ as a son over his own house; whose house are we, if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm unto the end.

Hebrews 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ, if we hold the beginning of our confidence stedfast unto the end;

Hebrews 6:11 And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

Sound familiar? The end of what?

Matthew 10:22 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.


Matthew 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

What happens to these folks if they endure to the end of the tribulation?

Revelation 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; (see Revelation 13:12-18 as this event is SPECIFIC TO THE TRIBULATION PERIOD) and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

They also get a thousand year reign with Jesus Christ. In the tribulation, if you don't endure to the end, you lose salvation. It's all through the book of Hebrews and the gospels which have much prophecy about the tribulation and the millenial thousand year reign of the Lord Jesus Christ in the kingdom of heaven.
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Jesus Christ appointed Paul to be the apostle to the Gentiles:

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:

2 Timothy 1:11 Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles.
1 Corinthians 11:1 ¶Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ.

Jesus Christ also revealed to Paul the gospel of the grace of God:

Acts 20:24 But none of these things move me, neither count I my life dear unto myself, so that I might finish my course with joy, and the ministry, which I have received of the Lord Jesus, to testify the gospel of the grace of God.

1 Corinthians 15:1 ¶Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

How to obey the gospel:

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
12 ¶For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved

If you can't see the difference between the "gospel of the kingdom" and the "gospel of the grace of God" - you are most likely not saved/lost

2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

The gospel of the grace of God is specific to the church age and was not the plan of salvation in the Old Testament nor will it be in the tribulation period nor millenial reign.

2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
 
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So wait, hold the phone... TO you, there are TWO Raptures? Im STILL confused. What are you arguing FOR or against?
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Look at the aformentioned passages concerning "day of Christ"/"day of the Lord Jesus" etc and compare them with the occurrences with "day of the LORD" in both OT and NT and you'll see that the "day of the LORD" passages have the wrath of Jesus Christ accompanying them while the list that was made up of the passages concerning "day of Christ"/"day of the Lord Jesus" etc (read the context of them all as well) have no wrath of the Lord Jesus attached concerning the pre trib rapture of the church age saints.
 
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Deadflesh said:
OH ok... so you dont think the Trump of God, and the great sound of a Trumpet(or Great Trumpet) are the same trumpet? And you belive that ALL you have to do is belive. No Obeying the words of Jesus for you? No denying self and having Jesus be LORD(ownership, denying will, and dyign to flesh) No being led by the spirit of GOd for you? ok. Just belive, then live your life ignorign Jesus, and get wisked away before dramma happens? I dont mean to sound rude, so please, but really is that in essence what you are saying?
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What does salvation in Jesus Christ yield?

2 Corinthians 7:10 For godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation not to be repented of: but the sorrow of the world worketh death.

Romans 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
14 For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
15 What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

2 Corinthians 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

Philippians 2:12 ¶Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14 ¶Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
15 That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;

Romans 12:1 ¶I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.
 
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Just because a person says they're saved (lip service) does that mean they're saved?

Titus 1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake.
12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith;
14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth.
15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
 
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