Is grace a license to sin?

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So if a serial killer cuts back and only murders perhaps once or twice a year is that just an isolated bout? I would think that someone like that would still be a murderer at heart.

Same with a liar, thief, child molester or a rapist. You cannot indulge yourself occasionally and think you are right with God no way.

What you are saying might tickle your ears and the ears of others but it is clearly in direct contradiction with the Bible.

Paul doesn't use the words habitually when he says...

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

He simply says that those people will not enter the kingdom and don't be deceived about it.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

He again he gives a very specific lists of the works of the flesh and specifically says that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom.

People explain it away or just ignore it. I saw in another post someone claim that these warnings were only to unbelievers. That is nonsense because the unbelievers are already doing those things.

God is calling people from darkness to light. Those in the light walk after the Spirit with their flesh in total submission. Those who are not willing to forsake their sin will deny this message.

It was ONE SIN that condemned Adam and Eve. They only ate a piece of fruit in disobedience to God.

It is not any different today.

A person is either walking in the Spirit or they are walking in the flesh. They cannot serve both and there is no grey area.
What makes anything about you worth having Christ, the Son of God, come and lay His life down, shed His blood for your sins and take your place on the cross and suffer death? What is there about you that would motivate God to do such a thing? The answer you give will reveal what is truly in your heart and if you fabricate an answer to pacify the hearer, that to will reveal what is in your heart. You better answer with the conviction of the Spirit, for if you do not, you will be known even as you are known according to your heart.
 
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Please give heed to the Word:

Jas 5:19-20 Brethren, if any of you do wonder away from the truth, and one convert him. Let him know, that he which converts the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.
 
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What makes anything about you worth having Christ, the Son of God, come and lay His life down, shed His blood for your sins and take your place on the cross and suffer death? What is there about you that would motivate God to do such a thing? The answer you give will reveal what is truly in your heart and if you fabricate an answer to pacify the hearer, that to will reveal what is in your heart. You better answer with the conviction of the Spirit, for if you do not, you will be known even as you are known according to your heart.
I notice that the responses to my posts are most often diversionary in nature. Questioning my character or other things, rarely addressing the scriptures in question.

I was look over the responses and I did appreciate what you pointed out in regards to Galations 5 and the word "Do.'

Do - prassō - A primary verb; to “practise”, that is, perform repeatedly or habitually (thus differing from G4160, which properly refers to a single act); by implication to execute, accomplish, etc.; specifically to collect (dues), fare (personally): - commit, deeds, do, exact, keep, require, use arts.

I had never looked that particular word up and indeed it means "habitually." I was in error when I said that "habitually" was not used in that context.

Nevertheless to imply that willful transgression does not separate one from God is clear error. Indeed those who "habitually" do those things will be disqualified from the kingdom.

Those who walk after the Spirit will not fulfill the lust of the flesh because they have crucified their flesh in repentance. Those who mortify the deeds of the body by the Spirit will live. Those who do not will die.

Many today attempt to create a grey area which excuses willful sin on occasion. Like I have said previously it only takes one act of willful presumptuous rebellion to separate someone from God. Willful rebellion is a fruit of a rebellious and defiled heart.


As to your question. What makes me worthy for Christ to offer Himself on behalf of my sin? Not a thing.

It is by God's gracious mercy that he endured my long standing persistent rebellion to His grace. There was nothing I did or can do to merit that mercy. It is purely by the grace of God that I walk in the light today.
 
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First off, you don't need a license to sin. People sin without a license all the time :p

"IS GRACE A LICENSE TO SIN? The power of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Apart from law, sin is dead (Rom 7:8). Sin will not be your master, for you are not under law but under grace (Rom 6:14). Real freedom from sin can *only* happen apart from law, under grace. It is impossible for a person to sin less under law. It is equally impossible for a person to sin more under grace (as compared with law). The entire realm of law breeds sin, whether we realize it or not. The trouble with us is the way that we think we can label and measure sin, polishing.ourselves, but we tend to forget about pride.and self righteousness. The only solution is God's grace, which both forgives and equips us to live uprightly."

-Andrew Farley
No, grace is not a license to sin. The Lord will discipline us each time we sin. It is for our own good. A loving Father could do nothing else.
 
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No, grace is not a license to sin. The Lord will discipline us each time we sin. It is for our own good. A loving Father could do nothing else.
I never said it's a license to sin.
 
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I notice that the responses to my posts are most often diversionary in nature. Questioning my character or other things, rarely addressing the scriptures in question.

I was look over the responses and I did appreciate what you pointed out in regards to Galations 5 and the word "Do.'

Do - prassō - A primary verb; to “practise”, that is, perform repeatedly or habitually (thus differing from G4160, which properly refers to a single act); by implication to execute, accomplish, etc.; specifically to collect (dues), fare (personally): - commit, deeds, do, exact, keep, require, use arts.

I had never looked that particular word up and indeed it means "habitually." I was in error when I said that "habitually" was not used in that context.

Nevertheless to imply that willful transgression does not separate one from God is clear error.

For the believer that has been redeemed by the blood of Christ, the sin separation is from fellowship but not relationship. The relationship of the believer remains the same because it is based upon what Christ did for us and that realtionship is our standing that we have with God and not our experience. Sin in our experience separates us from fellowship, but we can be restored by grace when we are convicted, we confess the sin to God and by faith we are restored by grace without condemnation or probation. If we fall we will not be utterly cast down (Ps 37:23,24) and He is able to make us stand (Rom 14:4) in our experience because we have been accepted of Him through a perfect justification made availble by Christ through His blood.

Indeed those who "habitually" do those things will be disqualified from the kingdom.

Those who walk after the Spirit will not fulfill the lust of the flesh because they have crucified their flesh in repentance.

Everything that is crucified in our life concerning the flesh is by faith in the cross and not through some work of repentance. That is our starting point and 'death blow' and what we reckon upon all the days of our life.

Rom 6:6-13

6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof. 13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.

The above passage is not implemented through repentance but by faith according to the cross where we have been crucified with Christ. We reckon (by faith), logizomai - count or take into account, compute. We take into account that we are dead to sin (even if we have just sinned). As a mandate, we continually count ourselves as being dead to sin and alive unto God and we never stop that reckoning no matter what we find ourselves doing or in what state we find ourselves in. Many will say that this is not realistic, it may not be realistic to the natural mind of the flesh, but we are operating in the righteousness of God by faith when we do so.

Those who mortify the deeds of the body by the Spirit will live. Those who do not will die.

Many today attempt to create a grey area which excuses willful sin on occasion. Like I have said previously it only takes one act of willful presumptuous rebellion to separate someone from God. Willful rebellion is a fruit of a rebellious and defiled heart.

No one is excusing any sin on anyones account, but rather how we are to relate to sin, to ourselves as believers and to God when we do sin.

As to your question. What makes me worthy for Christ to offer Himself on behalf of my sin? Not a thing.

That is the only answer that any of us can have because of a totally depraved sinful nature.

It is by God's gracious mercy that he endured my long standing persistent rebellion to His grace. There was nothing I did or can do to merit that mercy. It is purely by the grace of God that I walk in the light today.

Then make sure that it is the same for other believers who may be having trouble with sin as they grow in grace and knowledge of Christ.
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‎"Repentance saves lives, but preaching on repentance doesn’t lead to repentance! A law mind-set emphasizes what people must do (repent!), but grace proclaims what God has already done (everything!). A law mindset uses inferior incentives (fear, judgment) that lead to temporary changes in behavior, but grace (God is good and He loves you!) changes the hardest heart. If you want people to genuinely repent, preach the goodness of God (Rms 2:4)." -Paul Ellis
 

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‎"Repentance saves lives, but preaching on repentance doesn’t lead to repentance! A law mind-set emphasizes what people must do (repent!), but grace proclaims what God has already done (everything!). A law mindset uses inferior incentives (fear, judgment) that lead to temporary changes in behavior, but grace (God is good and He loves you!) changes the hardest heart. If you want people to genuinely repent, preach the goodness of God (Rms 2:4)." -Paul Ellis

Why are you quoting this man's interpretation?

Are you relying on him to guide you?
 
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Why are you quoting this man's interpretation?

Are you relying on him to guide you?
No. I rely on Jesus. This just lines up with scripture ;)
 

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No. I rely on Jesus. This just lines up with scripture ;)
That is questionable.

I disagree, the truth is love.

No need to sugar coat it, it is good by itself.
 
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That is questionable.

I disagree, the truth is love.

No need to sugar coat it, it is good by itself.
Oh. I'm not sugar coating anything :)
 
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‎"Repentance saves lives, but preaching on repentance doesn’t lead to repentance! A law mind-set emphasizes what people must do (repent!), but grace proclaims what God has already done (everything!). A law mindset uses inferior incentives (fear, judgment) that lead to temporary changes in behavior, but grace (God is good and He loves you!) changes the hardest heart. If you want people to genuinely repent, preach the goodness of God (Rms 2:4)." -Paul Ellis


REPENT OR BURN!!!!!!!! JUST PLAYIN :) :)


I think i am starting to see what you are getting at. (not joking, i am just more of the type that looks at the do and do not lists so my way of addressing it was more ehh)


the sad thing is many who claim to follow our Lord (not all) think we have a get away with sin card and willingly seek sin and over the many years they claim to follow Him nothing changes in them (like i used to be my whole life)
 
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REPENT OR BURN!!!!!!!! JUST PLAYIN :) :)


I think i am starting to see what you are getting at. (not joking, i am just more of the type that looks at the do and do not lists so my way of addressing it was more ehh)


the sad thing is many who claim to follow our Lord (not all) think we have a get away with sin card and willingly seek sin and over the many years they claim to follow Him nothing changes in them (like i used to be my whole life)
lol. I get accused of telling people it's ok to sin, almost everyday. -_- it's actually ehh. But Paul was accused of the same thing :p
 
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if you have the Holy Spirit then you shouldn't have to rely on a list of "thou shalt not's."
 

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if you have the Holy Spirit then you shouldn't have to rely on a list of "thou shalt not's."

If you have the Holy Spirit you would not rely on other mans quotes..................
 
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No. God shows grace on you wen you sin.( He forgives you) If you ask Him to. But what I think is thatwhen you get saved and become a true Christian, you will not want to sin. Hey,Jesus loves you:)
 
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No. God shows grace on you wen you sin.( He forgives you) If you ask Him to. But what I think is thatwhen you get saved and become a true Christian, you will not want to sin. Hey,Jesus loves you:)
Out of the mouth of babes. Its really that simple.
 
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No. God shows grace on you wen you sin.( He forgives you) If you ask Him to. But what I think is thatwhen you get saved and become a true Christian, you will not want to sin. Hey,Jesus loves you:)
Unrelated, but I would just like to make a wild guess and say that this young lady likes the movie "Happy Feet.":D
God bless.

Tom
 
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Crossfire

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Actually, the grace of God actually empowers us to live holy not vice versa. Anyone who teaches that grace makes allowances for sin does not have a biblical understanding of grace. Rather, their understanding is carnal and self serving.