Is grace a license to sin?

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hislastwalk

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Grace doesn’t just remove all traces of sin, it empowers us to sin no more! ;)
 
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Crossfire

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Grace doesn’t just remove all traces of sin, it empowers us to sin no more! ;)
Now you're talking! That will preach but don't be surprised if people start throwing stones. *lol*

People are too in love with their doctrines of compromise which make allowances for sin to believe that God has provided everything they need to live a life of victory over the world and the flesh. They're too stubborn headed to believe that they actually have to let go of their sin in order to be free from it.
 
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gotime

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I don't know why people are so against this truth. the greatest thing I have learned in this life is that Jesus died and through his blood I have received forgiveness of sins. But Jesus did not just die. he rose again and imparted the gift of the Holy Spirit. now he empowers me to be victorious in this life. Son no longer has any power over the one who is in Christ.

Real freedom. the things I hated about myself Jesus took away. my defects in character Jesus replaced with his glorious character.

It is no longer I that live but Christ who lives in me. praise His name.
 
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hislastwalk

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Many people's problem is not their sins but the god they have created in their mind that says they can't overcome sin.
 
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hislastwalk

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I do wanna say this;

Repentance means to change the way you think.

You can "turn from sin" & still not have a changed and renewed mind.
 
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Crossfire

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I do wanna say this;

Repentance means to change the way you think.

You can "turn from sin" & still not have a changed and renewed mind.
The definition of repentance that you just described is the Greek definition. However, in the original Hebrew, repentance not only means to change the way you think - but also a literal change in the direction in which you walk or, to put it in modern terms, change the way you live.
 
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I'd just like to say that yes. we have been given the gift of holy spirit. We have God in Christ dwellling in us and spiritually we are perfect before God. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit.

Those of you that are perfect in the flesh more power to ya. . . . .frankly, I don't believe it. Have you been angry? Have you told any lies? Have you stolen anything no matter how small? Any filthy communication? No sin -- no need for an intercessor or an advocate. Wonder why we have one if we don't need one?

A mediator is like an attorney - One that argues for a cause, one that pleads in another's behalf

1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator betwen God and men, the man Jesus Christ.

An intercessor entreats in favor of another especially a prayer or petition to
God in behalf of another - mediation


Romans 8:34 Who is he that condemneth? Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God who also maketh intercession for us.
Hebrews 7:25 Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them.
 

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two men went to the temple to pray..
 
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Are you trying to all of us here that you live a completely sanctified life with no sin whatsoever??? Are you telling us that you never stumble or fail to live up to God's perfection, that you are perfect in your obedience to Him???
If you are, then you would the first perfect Christian I have ever met.


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He does not know how to discern the difference of one who lives in sin as a practice with no regard for grace or the righteousness of God and one who has isolated bouts with sin but has a heart after grace and the righteousness of God. He looks at the outward appearance and makes his determination on what he sees, while God looks at the heart and works on that heart accordingly. Someone who has heard and rejects the gospel and flaunts their sin should be told to repent of not only their attitude toward the gospel but also of their lifestyle of sin. We may win them through fear keeping them out of the fire (Jude 23).
 
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He does not know how to discern the difference of one who lives in sin as a practice with no regard for grace or the righteousness of God and one who has isolated bouts with sin but has a heart after grace and the righteousness of God. He looks at the outward appearance and makes his determination on what he sees, while God looks at the heart and works on that heart accordingly. Someone who has heard and rejects the gospel and flaunts their sin should be told to repent of not only their attitude toward the gospel but also of their lifestyle of sin. We may win them through fear keeping them out of the fire (Jude 23).
So if a serial killer cuts back and only murders perhaps once or twice a year is that just an isolated bout? I would think that someone like that would still be a murderer at heart.

Same with a liar, thief, child molester or a rapist. You cannot indulge yourself occasionally and think you are right with God no way.

What you are saying might tickle your ears and the ears of others but it is clearly in direct contradiction with the Bible.

Paul doesn't use the words habitually when he says...

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

He simply says that those people will not enter the kingdom and don't be deceived about it.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

He again he gives a very specific lists of the works of the flesh and specifically says that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom.

People explain it away or just ignore it. I saw in another post someone claim that these warnings were only to unbelievers. That is nonsense because the unbelievers are already doing those things.

God is calling people from darkness to light. Those in the light walk after the Spirit with their flesh in total submission. Those who are not willing to forsake their sin will deny this message.

It was ONE SIN that condemned Adam and Eve. They only ate a piece of fruit in disobedience to God.

It is not any different today.

A person is either walking in the Spirit or they are walking in the flesh. They cannot serve both and there is no grey area.
 
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mmlj29

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two men went to the temple to pray..
Very good sir!!!

Luk 18:9 And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.
 
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AnandaHya

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two men went to the temple to pray..
yeah the conversation does remind you of that story doesn't it.

However I state that God brings people to godly sorrow and repentance over their sins, NOT just turn a blind eye and say its upon Jesus. God gives us mercy because of Jesus but HE Chastens ALL His children. if you are not being chastened because of your sin, then you should wonder WHO your father is that allows you to live in a state where sin enslaves you.

Its not about NOT recognizing the blood of Christ is able to cleanse all sin, but recognizing HOW God does it. HOW God brings people closer to His image. A good parent does not turn a blind eye when their child misbehaves. they discipline them.

anyway here's a daily dose of scripture for those would like it..

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~ Romans 8:38, NLT
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3 For consider Him who endured such hostility from sinners against Himself, lest you become weary and discouraged in your souls. 4 You have not yet resisted to bloodshed, striving against sin. 5 And you have forgotten the exhortation which speaks to you as to sons:
“My son, do not despise the chastening of the Lord,
Nor be discouraged when you are rebuked by Him;
6 For whom the Lord loves He chastens,
And scourges every son whom He receives.”[a]


7 If[b] you endure chastening, God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom a father does not chasten? 8 But if you are without chastening, of which all have become partakers, then you are illegitimate and not sons. 9 Furthermore, we have had human fathers who corrected us, and we paid them respect. Shall we not much more readily be in subjection to the Father of spirits and live? 10 For they indeed for a few days chastened us as seemed best to them, but He for our profit, that we may be partakers of His holiness. 11 Now no chastening seems to be joyful for the present, but painful; nevertheless, afterward it yields the peaceable fruit of righteousness to those who have been trained by it.


Hebrews 12


I believe we should ALL seek the peaceable fruit of righteousness and thank God when He convicts and corrects us.
 
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mmlj29

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. God gives us mercy because of Jesus but HE Chastens ALL His children.
A good parent does not turn a blind eye when their child misbehaves. they discipline them.
Very true...

Heb 12:7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
 
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So if a serial killer cuts back and only murders perhaps once or twice a year is that just an isolated bout? I would think that someone like that would still be a murderer at heart.

Same with a liar, thief, child molester or a rapist. You cannot indulge yourself occasionally and think you are right with God no way.

What you are saying might tickle your ears and the ears of others but it is clearly in direct contradiction with the Bible.

Paul doesn't use the words habitually when he says...

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

But he does in (Gal 5:21)...

19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

do - prasso, a verb that denotes that the subject is in the habit of doing and being exercised as a practice, being busy with and carrying on. We can not neglect this passage and come to the conclusions you have asserted.

People explain it away or just ignore it. I saw in another post someone claim that these warnings were only to unbelievers. That is nonsense because the unbelievers are already doing those things.

Jesus said that He did not come for the righteous but to call sinners to repentance in (Mt 9:13). Try to work this into your thinking so that you can be balanced in your doctrine, for a false balance is not good (Prov 11:1. 20:23).

God is calling people from darkness to light. Those in the light walk after the Spirit with their flesh in total submission. Those who are not willing to forsake their sin will deny this message.

It was ONE SIN that condemned Adam and Eve. They only ate a piece of fruit in disobedience to God.

This is what started sin in the human race and it was not long before it sin turned into murder. One of the things that james tried to get across to believers that the law is one law and the scriptures can not be broken (Jn 10:35). You guys boast of the narrow way in (Mt 7:14) but do you consider that if you break or offend the law in one point you are guilty of all...

Jm 2:10,11

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law

Think of the ramifications of what this is telling us about sin.

It is not any different today.

A person is either walking in the Spirit or they are walking in the flesh. They cannot serve both and there is no grey area.
COMMENTS ABOVE ^^^^^
 
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hislastwalk

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I love how everything turns into an argument here..

I'll quote a verse:

You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified[a] by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love. -Galatians 5:4-6

that's how you fall from grace, by putting trust in your good works to get you to Heaven.
 
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Crossfire

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I love how everything turns into an argument here..

I'll quote a verse:

You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified[a] by the law; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit, by faith, we ourselves eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision counts for anything, but only faith working through love. -Galatians 5:4-6

that's how you fall from grace, by putting trust in your good works to get you to Heaven.
True, but there's an opposite side to that coin as well. It's in the scriptures, just not as obvious. :)

However, I do believe the reason why the bible directly points out the scenerio you listed is because it will play a part in the endtimes if indeed a 3rd Temple is built.
 
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So if a serial killer cuts back and only murders perhaps once or twice a year is that just an isolated bout? I would think that someone like that would still be a murderer at heart.

Same with a liar, thief, child molester or a rapist. You cannot indulge yourself occasionally and think you are right with God no way.

What you are saying might tickle your ears and the ears of others but it is clearly in direct contradiction with the Bible.

Paul doesn't use the words habitually when he says...

1Co 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
1Co 6:10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

He simply says that those people will not enter the kingdom and don't be deceived about it.

Gal 5:19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

He again he gives a very specific lists of the works of the flesh and specifically says that those who do such things will not inherit the kingdom.

People explain it away or just ignore it. I saw in another post someone claim that these warnings were only to unbelievers. That is nonsense because the unbelievers are already doing those things.

God is calling people from darkness to light. Those in the light walk after the Spirit with their flesh in total submission. Those who are not willing to forsake their sin will deny this message.

It was ONE SIN that condemned Adam and Eve. They only ate a piece of fruit in disobedience to God.

It is not any different today.

A person is either walking in the Spirit or they are walking in the flesh. They cannot serve both and there is no grey area.
This is to skinski7, I asked once, and I'll ask again. Are you trying to all of us here that you live a completely sanctified life with no sin whatsoever??? Are you telling us that you never stumble or fail to live up to God's perfection, that you are perfect in your obedience to Him???
If you are, then you would the first perfect Christian I have ever met.


Tom
 
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Skinski.
It was ONE SIN that condemned Adam and Eve. They only ate a piece of fruit in disobedience to God.

It is not any different today.

A person is either walking in the Spirit or they are walking in the flesh. They cannot serve both and there is no grey area.


Very true, willful sin will lead to death, no doubt, a truly repentant heart, will forsake all known sin before God, and walk in the light, in no way is he saying look what we do, or earn, if you all could grasp just how dangerous willful deliberate sin is to your eternal destiny, then you would be able to see, there is NO pride in forsaking sin, and living a life pleasing to God, you cannot compare what we teach to the tax collector and the publican.
But since you do not see the sin stops in repentance first, through, brokenness, and a clearing, etc,, then you see a so called saved person falling occasionally into serial killing, molesting, porn watching, etc.
To Obey God isn't being prideful, He said to go and sin not more, He grants repentance unto life, He is the author of our salvation, He gives us all many chances to repent and seek His mercy, and then GO AND SIN NO MORE!

But God is a God of judgement and wrath, read Rev ch 22 for starters, and will not tolerate willful deliberate sin from His creation, that is why he gives us a way out through His son, who commands us to repent or perish, its that simple, no pride, just a humble, broke spirit before God, begging Him for mercy, and NOT continuing in rebellion against Him, because he created me a sinner, and Jesus took my place and obedience, that is false, and if you believe this and your pastor teaches this, then expose Him, and flee Babylon!!!