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You prove, there, is free will
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There is cause and effect for everything, action and reaction taking place all around. Thinking that you have freely come to this point on your own, is a delusion. These people responding to all these threads only respond because there was a post made, as this post was posted on account of other actions taking place beforehand. Those actions that took place before this post was made was never in the control of ''me''. Everything that's taking place in this life was preordained by GOD. Everything is a chain reaction, and it's not in the control of these people as it first seems to ''them''. They are in a delusion, by thinking that they lead them''selves'' to this point. It's always follow the LEADER, A leads to B which then leads to C. Did you freely form the alphabet? How would you have learned without a teacher? Who was it that taught the teacher the alphabet. There's always a certain order of operations. These people control absolutely nothing! Before the pawn was ever moved, GOD already had them at checkmate.
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No, the Bible says that God creates evil. People are evil sinners, yet GOD is GOOD. JESUS CHRIST saves sinners, and it's GOD who draws HIS elect unto HIM.
John 6: 44; No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
GOD places this belief in our heart; we don’t place it there HE does. There is only 1 who does this work, it is JESUS CHRIST. The inner man grows, while the outer man perishes. This is what this daily cross is all about. HE didn't come for those who claim to be righteous, but for the sinners. This outer rotting body is a corrupted rotting filthy pile of dung, and JESUS CHRIST comes for those who realize this.
Don't think that Satan comes as some snarling monster spitting out green goo. How would Satan deceive like that? Satan comes claiming to be good, saying smooth charming words and a smiling face, while twisting the WORD of GOD and not saying the TRUTH. Satan has a face that's proud, that's what the majority don't understand. The fact is that the majority of the churches aren't telling the TRUTH, and the apostasy is among us right now.
When the TRUTH is told, the people don't keep coming to the church, because the world absolutely hates the TRUTH. Just as the majority prove by the responses shown. When the people quit coming to the church, then there's less money coming in. That's the reason that the false prophets preach the other je$uS, because they don’t want to offend anyone. They want to keep the money coming in, while saying smooth charming words to the ear. That's the easy je$us, and that's the wide road to hell. This cross is daily, and it brings much persecution and tribulation just as is made obvious by the responses shown. I'm so tired of this corrupted maggot infested world. Those who are friends with this world are enemies to GOD!
John 6: 44; No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
GOD places this belief in our heart; we don’t place it there HE does. There is only 1 who does this work, it is JESUS CHRIST. The inner man grows, while the outer man perishes. This is what this daily cross is all about. HE didn't come for those who claim to be righteous, but for the sinners. This outer rotting body is a corrupted rotting filthy pile of dung, and JESUS CHRIST comes for those who realize this.
Don't think that Satan comes as some snarling monster spitting out green goo. How would Satan deceive like that? Satan comes claiming to be good, saying smooth charming words and a smiling face, while twisting the WORD of GOD and not saying the TRUTH. Satan has a face that's proud, that's what the majority don't understand. The fact is that the majority of the churches aren't telling the TRUTH, and the apostasy is among us right now.
When the TRUTH is told, the people don't keep coming to the church, because the world absolutely hates the TRUTH. Just as the majority prove by the responses shown. When the people quit coming to the church, then there's less money coming in. That's the reason that the false prophets preach the other je$uS, because they don’t want to offend anyone. They want to keep the money coming in, while saying smooth charming words to the ear. That's the easy je$us, and that's the wide road to hell. This cross is daily, and it brings much persecution and tribulation just as is made obvious by the responses shown. I'm so tired of this corrupted maggot infested world. Those who are friends with this world are enemies to GOD!
Hey Robot,
One should be careful in thought, more so in speech. We are not fit to judge the ways of God. We are merely a stroke of a pen in a very large book. We are but a collection of carefully arranged elements held together by electrons that God gathered from the dust of the ground. Essentially the only difference between us and a full vacuum cleaner bag, is the bag and the breath of life that God breathed into us on lend. Now if He in His infinite wisdom and power reached into time and space and sacrificed Himself to adopt this sack of dirt and desired to portion me an inheritance by merely believing that Christ was my sin offering then I'm just going to say thank you.
One should be careful in thought, more so in speech. We are not fit to judge the ways of God. We are merely a stroke of a pen in a very large book. We are but a collection of carefully arranged elements held together by electrons that God gathered from the dust of the ground. Essentially the only difference between us and a full vacuum cleaner bag, is the bag and the breath of life that God breathed into us on lend. Now if He in His infinite wisdom and power reached into time and space and sacrificed Himself to adopt this sack of dirt and desired to portion me an inheritance by merely believing that Christ was my sin offering then I'm just going to say thank you.
R
I'm not judging HIS ways, just posting HIS WORD. The majority skip over this TRUTH. I'm very thankful that by HIS grace we have JESUS CHRIST. Just wanting to post what many skip over, the fact that HE does it all. It's not what we do to ''get saved’’; instead it's about the sacrifice that HE has given to the believing all, JESUS CHRIST. HE created this sinful sack of dirt as you put it, yet was generous enough to plant the SEED of TRUTH by HIS WORD. This SEED grows throughout our life, and it's HE that does the growing. It's not us that accept HIM, but it's HE that accepts those who believe in HIM.
In order for one to apply what has been deemed "free will", God MUST also provide what that one considers "evil".
If a father teaches his son that basketball was good and ONLY provide a basketball, then all my son will know is basketball. Now if I teach him that AND provide an alternative in a football, my son then has a CHOICE to step outside of what I first set as good. Although he has this perceived "choice", it's ONLY within the parameters of WHAT THE FATHER PROVIDED.
If a father teaches his son that basketball was good and ONLY provide a basketball, then all my son will know is basketball. Now if I teach him that AND provide an alternative in a football, my son then has a CHOICE to step outside of what I first set as good. Although he has this perceived "choice", it's ONLY within the parameters of WHAT THE FATHER PROVIDED.
G
I don't think anyone here thinks they aré in control over God. Ludicrous thought !
But, people aré in control of if they choose to be following His leading of their life, this is a moment to moment cross carried by believers, ALL there breathing moments, we are beckoned, by Jesus no less, to 'remain in Me.' Very self explanatory . Much Scripture states this Truth, in so many words, including John 21:22
If we remain in Him, then the knowledge we choose to carry in us is His , that is a choice , too. Do we want to choose our knowledge God's given us for good or evil uses?
Sure, God created evil, but He created it for His GOOD purposes.
Joseph talking to his brothers is good reference. 'What you intended for evil God made into good.'
God's divine providence RULES all and He WINS in the end, boots Satan into eternal fire lake . But, until then, God allows evil choices by men, even so, God is in complete permissible control of ALL of evil's ultimate doing, and, lest we forget, we are IN end times and God will come again and make things perfect for all who believe in Him.
But, people aré in control of if they choose to be following His leading of their life, this is a moment to moment cross carried by believers, ALL there breathing moments, we are beckoned, by Jesus no less, to 'remain in Me.' Very self explanatory . Much Scripture states this Truth, in so many words, including John 21:22
If we remain in Him, then the knowledge we choose to carry in us is His , that is a choice , too. Do we want to choose our knowledge God's given us for good or evil uses?
Sure, God created evil, but He created it for His GOOD purposes.
Joseph talking to his brothers is good reference. 'What you intended for evil God made into good.'
God's divine providence RULES all and He WINS in the end, boots Satan into eternal fire lake . But, until then, God allows evil choices by men, even so, God is in complete permissible control of ALL of evil's ultimate doing, and, lest we forget, we are IN end times and God will come again and make things perfect for all who believe in Him.
C
The first recording in Scripture concerning freewill was Adam and Eve's choice to obey or not obey. They themselves made that choice and faced then ceonsences (for every action there is an equal and oppositie reaction). Because of 'A' then 'B' must have had to occur.
Then we are brought over to where Lucifer, in that same first example of choice, made a choice in his ability to obey or not obey. In his difiance of the cosmic Law, he alone decided to rebel against God's Law which stated that there is no other God besides God. Because of the choice he made, he was thrown out of Heaven.
Now we come to all the 'whosoevers' in the new Testaments. It does not say, 'all those who I have predestined to fulfill certain acts will have everlasting life'. No. It says, 'whosoever shall believe...will have everlasting life'.
Indeed, the choice to obey or not to obey belongs to us. Listen:
Deu 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Deu 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
Deu 30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Do you know that God has a choice too and that we are made in His image? So many verses speaks of God having a choice. God does not seek robots, but they who will freely call Him Lord.
Shall we also know that the child Jesus also had a choice between good and evil:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isa 7:15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
Isa 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
Then we are brought over to where Lucifer, in that same first example of choice, made a choice in his ability to obey or not obey. In his difiance of the cosmic Law, he alone decided to rebel against God's Law which stated that there is no other God besides God. Because of the choice he made, he was thrown out of Heaven.
Now we come to all the 'whosoevers' in the new Testaments. It does not say, 'all those who I have predestined to fulfill certain acts will have everlasting life'. No. It says, 'whosoever shall believe...will have everlasting life'.
Indeed, the choice to obey or not to obey belongs to us. Listen:
Deu 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul.
Deu 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;
Deu 30:16 In that I command thee this day to love the LORD thy God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commandments and his statutes and his judgments, that thou mayest live and multiply: and the LORD thy God shall bless thee in the land whither thou goest to possess it.
Deu 30:17 But if thine heart turn away, so that thou wilt not hear, but shalt be drawn away, and worship other gods, and serve them;
Deu 30:18 I denounce unto you this day, that ye shall surely perish, and that ye shall not prolong your days upon the land, whither thou passest over Jordan to go to possess it.
Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Do you know that God has a choice too and that we are made in His image? So many verses speaks of God having a choice. God does not seek robots, but they who will freely call Him Lord.
Shall we also know that the child Jesus also had a choice between good and evil:
Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
Isa 7:15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.
Isa 7:16 For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.
C
Then if He has caused all things to be, specifically, evil and good, then we have us a god who is half good and half evil.
Evil is by its very difinition means: TO DO HARM. So, it cannot be that God saw evil in His creation when it was He Himself who said of His creation, 'It is good'.
It cannot be said that God created us to do harm, seeing that we are made in His image. Otherwise, we would be saying that God is evil.
But we can say that He permits evil (harm) to occur because of freewill. Again, He does not seek robots, but those who freely choose Him as Lord (Master).
Evil is by its very difinition means: TO DO HARM. So, it cannot be that God saw evil in His creation when it was He Himself who said of His creation, 'It is good'.
It cannot be said that God created us to do harm, seeing that we are made in His image. Otherwise, we would be saying that God is evil.
But we can say that He permits evil (harm) to occur because of freewill. Again, He does not seek robots, but those who freely choose Him as Lord (Master).
R
Genesis 2: 16-17;
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
HE didn't say, ''if you eat of this fruit'', instead HE said ''when you eat of it, you will surely die!'' HE says ''thou shalt not eat'', then HE says ''in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die''
This is what the cross is all about, the outer man dying, and Christ growing within! The problem is that the majority are still full of them ‘’selves’’, and that has to die! Take your cross and die daily, death to self, and self-denial! If you cannot bear your cross, then you cannot be a disciple of HIS! HE is the MASTER, and HE knows everything that will take place before it ever does! This is HIS program, and HE is the SOURCE of the POWER. Self has to die and the WORD has to grow within, that’s the SEED of TRUTH. That’s what JESUS CHRIST is all about! GOD's WILL BE DONE!
And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat: But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
HE didn't say, ''if you eat of this fruit'', instead HE said ''when you eat of it, you will surely die!'' HE says ''thou shalt not eat'', then HE says ''in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die''
This is what the cross is all about, the outer man dying, and Christ growing within! The problem is that the majority are still full of them ‘’selves’’, and that has to die! Take your cross and die daily, death to self, and self-denial! If you cannot bear your cross, then you cannot be a disciple of HIS! HE is the MASTER, and HE knows everything that will take place before it ever does! This is HIS program, and HE is the SOURCE of the POWER. Self has to die and the WORD has to grow within, that’s the SEED of TRUTH. That’s what JESUS CHRIST is all about! GOD's WILL BE DONE!
God created man with the ability to sin. Down the line, we would sin. If we hadnt that ability, it never would have happened.
Also, all comes from God. God created sin too.
The thing is, it doesn't make him evil. It makes him smart.
We need to see what we are capable of compared to God.
God doesn't sin. We do. He simply made us.
We need to sin in order to see the real benifit of God;s way.
Of COURSE sin was part of the plan. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be where we are.
God sets all our boundaries.
Also, all comes from God. God created sin too.
The thing is, it doesn't make him evil. It makes him smart.
We need to see what we are capable of compared to God.
God doesn't sin. We do. He simply made us.
We need to sin in order to see the real benifit of God;s way.
Of COURSE sin was part of the plan. If it wasn't, we wouldn't be where we are.
God sets all our boundaries.