GOD CREATES EVIL

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Drunk With Blood: God's killings in the Bible: Steve Wells: 9781453662915: Amazon.com: Books

How many people does Satan kill according to the Bible? 10 people (because God told him to)

How many people does God kill according to the Bible? about 2.5 million
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God's covenant , since the beginning of time's said 'don't sin,' do it and the agreement of Love becomes 'ENOUGH!' when God's abounding grace and mercy quits abounding, when God INTERVENES, FLOODS us with a real Love, gee, call it parenting, of His kind Be made to relationship with Him but chose to rape women and children and take land, obviously, in violation of God's 10 commands láser nací rush-hour, and, Christ's law we aré under now, God is just :)

Reality is, the Amalekites and Philistines surely knew,of God, they were doing BAD (sinful) things while Israelites and David's leading of their armies was, sure, not perfect but David OBEYED , in spite of making mistakes, as God forgave David upon repentance, sackcloth, ashes, contriteness from having Uriah killed, etc. . Does this understanding of 'bloodshed' make more sense, reality, now ?
 
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The Holocaust could have used an intervention from God.
 
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That's good because luckily it's all fiction anyways.
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That may very well be what you wish it were, but as for the reality of the matter, one could not have a meaningfully statement were it not for the Existance of God.
 
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The Holocaust could have used an intervention from God.
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If I could explain God 'perfect' to you, reality, the Lord leads this to happen, keep seeking Him and that God is just. Hard to see sometimes, understand His ways, His thoughts (Issaih 55:7) , like above allowed destruction that God did intervene but in His timing, like 911 God allowed but too His hand seen in 4th plane crash in field,cand, subsequent, Todd Beamer witness, but understandable, for God is Love. But , God is just.

I give you this verse to read: Phil. 4:8 :)
 
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Drunk With Blood: God's killings in the Bible: Steve Wells: 9781453662915: Amazon.com: Books

How many people does Satan kill according to the Bible? 10 people (because God told him to)

How many people does God kill according to the Bible? about 2.5 million
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Strangely, you're on the right track. But instead of blaming God for those deaths, or indeed, for the sick children in a hospital, think of this;

Doesnt EVERYONE feel pain? And that pain is generally a result of an accident, or someone's malicious intent.

God understands the need for a good world. But instead of simply taking our choice and making us perfect, he puts us togetherto make it better for people who are outside of us.

If you want a sick child to be not sick anymore, then become a doctor.

If you want a homeless person to eat, then go and feed them.

We were given the power to change this world. And when you do such things, God gets a beaming smile on his face.

There's no point in blaming God. Does it make the world any better?
 
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How many people died because of their wickedness: ALL
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How many children were wiped out? How many children still
in the womb? There is something unsettling about worshipping
a serial murderer.
 
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How many children were wiped out? How many children still
in the womb? There is something unsettling about worshipping
a serial murderer.
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What I mean,

does God kill them or have we killed ourselves by separating ourselves from God. Where God is not, there is the opposite. God is Life, we had broken that fellowship.

I am about to post a long post and ask that you read it please.
 
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Isa 45:7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.​



It is said that God created darkness and evil and that thought is taken from the verse above. But, notice that it, as the word 'and' implies in both cases, is a part of a comparison and then that clause is part of another clause. We simply cannot pull 2 words out of a 18 word sentence and make a conclusive statement without having considered the rest of at least that particular verse.


Example: Scripture says that there is no God. If I use the extraction method mentioned above, then I would be absolutely correct and could not at all be debated on this matter, because the word of God has said it and it is to be believed. If I would go out and declare this illogical statement, I would be made the fool.

Psa 14:1 The fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that does good.

In the arena of fairness, we have to at least consider the whole verse. This 'create darkness/evil' is the absolute opposite of 'Light and peace'. We understand from the Creation record that God indeed created the Light, but that the darkness was already there. And we learn from Jesus that we, the saints, are to walk in this Light, as oppose to walking in that Darkness. We also understand that these are the two states a man is given by God for him to walk about in, for him to make a choice by his freewill. If we understand that the opposite of good is evil, then this 'create evil', as compared to 'peace', must obviously mean 'calamity'. We also understand from Scripture that the opposite of love is hate, of joy is sadness, on and on we are given opposing sides. But, at no other place is it said that God created darkness and evil, so we must give full consideration on this one verse so that we do not conclude that God is a god of darkness and evil.

Now, we come to 'peace' and its opposite 'evil'. If we understand that the opposite of peace is calamity, inasmuch as the Darkness is the opposite of the Light, then we should come to a more clearer understanding as to what is meant by 'evil' as used in this verse. Before we come to a conclusion on this verse, let us first take several things into consideration.


Those who come to the conclusion that God created evil sometimes use two other verses to verify what they say. Namely, Amos 3:6 and Lamentations 3:38. So, let us start there and see what they say. From these verses we see that the Lord is involved in calamities in the earthly realm, but never is He is the cause of the moral evilness which caused Him to bring the calamity upon the wickedness of the wicked.

Amo 3:6 Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (calamity: NASB)(disaster: NIV) Something to ponder on: does moral evilness happen to a city or does a calamity happen to a city?

Lam 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (ill: NASB)(calamities: NIV) The KJV seems to suggest that God both speaks good and evil. But, if we look at verses 33-36, we see that God does not approve of evil and if we look at verse 39, we see that God punishes one for sins. So what is really being said? We only have to go to verses 32-33 to see that the 'evil' being spoken about in this verse is nothing more than that 'grief' that was of necessity afflicted because of sin.


We see from both of these verses that the word 'evil' simply implies 'calamity' and not moral evilness. And once we understand that God is not the author of evil, we then see a God who is a Rewarder of both good and bad behavior and therefore, the One who brings judgment and calamity on those who rebel, and not One who created evil so that He could punish those doing what is claimed of having been created by Him. From Scripture, we see that God takes no pleasure in wickedness, no evil dwells in God (Psa 5:4), does not tempt anyone with evil and cannot be tempt with the same (Jam 1:13), will bring every act to judgment, to see if it is good or evil (Ecc 12:14), and that God appointed rulers and authority as avengers who bring wrath on the one who practice evil (Rom 13:4). If God judges evil, and if it is true that He created evil, then would He not also have to judge Himself, seeing that He is the source of evil? For God to have created evil would mean that evil dwells in God, inasmuch as it is said that one is known by what comes out of him and if evil was created by Him, then He must have had evil in Him. Yet, we are told that no evil dwells in God. And if no evil dwells in God, then we must find the harmony in Scripture. Either God has evil in Him, in that He created evil, or rather, He permits, even brings calamities on the wicked. We are told that God's eyes are too pure to even behold evil and that He cannot even look towards inequity (Hab 1:13), and these being qualities of only His eyes, how much more truer is it that He is without iniquity (Det 32:4) and not the one who created moral evilness.

Now, to get back to the usage of words found in KJV. Anyone who is serious or is becoming serious in his studies will soon find out that contextual usage of words is to be taken into consideration. Consider the flexibility of the following words:


The term "God" is used to refer to the divine Being (Jn 1:1), but at the same time, it is used to describe an idol of worship voided of God's essence (1 Cor 8:4-6). Another place, it is said that none is righteous (Rom 3:10), but yet, Joseph was righteous (Mt 1:19). And yet again, it is said that it is wrong to judge (Mt 7:1), but we are to judge (Jn 7:24). Another place, one cannot be justified by works (Eph 2:9), yet justification is obtained by works (Jas 2:24)

Now, let us consider the usage of the word 'evil' and how context is important.

The Hebrew word for evil is 'ra’, which is derived from a root meaning “to spoil” or “to break in pieces.” It occurs 664 times in the KJV. 448 times it is translated as 'evil(s)'. The other 216 times it is translated as, 'wicked(ness)(ly)', 'hurt (ful)', 'mischief(s)(vous)', 'bad', 'sore', 'trouble', 'ill', 'affliction(s)', 'harm', 'adversity(ies)', 'grievous', 'naught', 'noisome', 'sad', 'calamities', 'displease(d)(sure)', 'distress'.....about 15 more different words.


In reference to sinful activities: Idol worship is characterized as evil (Eze 20:39, 43-44), even evil thoughts which produce ungodly actions is evil (Mk 7:21-23).


It can also be used to reference a disaster of some sort. In Isa 47:10-11, in speaking about the punishment that would be visited upon Israel for her wickedness, it is said that that evil would be the mischief of the desolation which was to come upon them by the Babylonian captivity (Jer 18:8). The same way 'evil' was used by Amos in speaking about that 'evil day' which was the eventual doom of the Northern Kingdom of Israel.

Let us return to Isaiah 47 and take into consideration the context. The first thing to notice is that God is speaking of who He is and what He does. That is, He did not create darkness (it was already there and the reason why He made the light) nor evil (the absence of goodness and the reason why all He did was 'good', 'very good') in His creation act (nowhere will you find that either were created except here, so take it into consideration that our God is not the creator of darkness and evil, but all He did was in opposition to what was already there). But, inasmuch as He forms light (joyous moments), and permits (to let be (create)) darkness (grievous moments), He also brings peace (an essence of light) and permits calamity (an essence of darkness). We are told that God is Love. And if hate is an essence of the darkness and is therefore the opposite of love, then in opposition to that, everything God created was 'good', 'very good'. Through His creation, He brings forth righteousness and it works together to bring forth salvation. It is the LORD who has done this, He has shinned a light in the darkness, He has brought forth righteousness to dispel those things which are the essence of darkness. Indeed, it is the Lord who has brought fourth goodness since that darkness was void of it.

Evil is simply the absence of the goodness which originated from God. Darkness is evil because God is not there, but is in the Light and is the Light. Where there is an absence of an attribute pertaining to God (love, holiness, light, peace, etc...) there exist the opposite (hate, demonic, darkness, calamity, etc...). If God removes the Light, then there the Darkness is. If God removes His hand, then there calamity is. Listen: when God removes His Spirit, the Antichrist, who dwells in the Darkness, will be revealed (shown (he is there now waiting for the Light to be taken away)). But for now, he is hidden by the Light.

I repeat, darkness and evil was not created, but is a state which lacks that which is of God. In all instances where it is implied that God created darkness and evil, the Light was already there from creation, but was removed and darkness and evil was allowed to be. So, when God said that He created Darkness and evil, He is saying that He has removed the goodness (Light and peace) which are from Him and allowed that darkness and evil to be (uncovered). Even when He cursed Adam and Eve, He removed His presence and all of creation was cut off from the Light and peace. And it took the death of God Himself to bring us back to that goodness (Light and peace).



The Conclusion of It All,
God sometimes remove that which is from Him (Light and peace) and by such, that which stands essentially opposing (Darkness and evil) is allowed its existence to be known, allowed 'to be', created. There was darkness upon the face of the Earth and God said, 'Let there be Light' and He saw the Light that it was good. And God looked upon His creation and said that it was very good.

And the story of Job tells us what happens when God removes His hand of peace, nothing but calamity upon calamity and still yet, more calamities brought on by the darkness and its lack goodness.

Let it be said that God is good and there is no shadow of darkness in Him. No, none at all !!!

Our God is the Creator of the goodness which shines the Light in the Darkness.

 
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How many children were wiped out? How many children still
in the womb? There is something unsettling about worshipping
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You seem like an intelligent enough person, who can form an opinion based on the evidence you see. Good job for that.

But think of this;

In the english language, we speak sometimes literally; i told him not to do that.

Sometimes figuritavely; its raining cats and dogs.

Or sometimes we tell a story with symbolism; i went and chapped his skin.

The bible does it too.

Aramaic and hebrew have tonnes if hyoerbole, symbolism and idiomatic forms of speaking

Jesus taught in parables, for instance

So everytime you see the part where God 'destroys the wicked', dont be quick to assume it means 'kills the wicked people'.

It can just as easily mean 'takes the wickedness from people'.

The child of the mind is the thought.

Wheat and tares.
 
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Also understand this; the double edged sword Jesus spoke of using.

It wasnt a sword at all. It was his tongue and his words.

Be careful in taking in the majority of the worlds current view of God.

'When I have wrought with you for My Name's sake, then you will know I am the Lord'.

Ie. When I have come to give you understanding (which you wont take easily) of my true character, then my true character will be revealed to you.

God isnt who you think He is.
 
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If ever you come across the part where you think 'what a horrible God', then youre probably getting a really bad translation or idea in your head

Be careful.

Look at the life and actions of Jesus, then you will know God's true attitude. Because Jesus' is the perfect man, knowing the will of God

God shared all knowledge with Jesus, and their will is one and the same. (I and God are one).

In essence, the perfect father taught the perfect son, and the perfect son mirrored the perfect father in everything He did.

Only look at Jesus' words.

And be careful of old testament, it doesnt stem from greek, (not unlike latin and english), it stems from hebrew and aramaic
 
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That may very well be what you wish it were, but as for the reality of the matter, one could not have a meaningfully statement were it not for the Existance of God.
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That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed
without evidence.
 
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Also understand this; the double edged sword Jesus spoke of using.

It wasnt a sword at all. It was his tongue and his words.

Be careful in taking in the majority of the worlds current view of God.

'When I have wrought with you for My Name's sake, then you will know I am the Lord'.

Ie. When I have come to give you understanding (which you wont take easily) of my true character, then my true character will be revealed to you.

God isnt who you think He is.
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If you are reading the Bible in English you aren't getting the story
as the true authors intended. Please do some research on the
historical accuracy of the Bible. Bart Ehrman is a good place to
start.
 
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If you are reading the Bible in English you aren't getting the story
as the true authors intended. Please do some research on the
historical accuracy of the Bible. Bart Ehrman is a good place to
start.
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My point exactly.
 
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