The Trinity

[Bowman]

Jesus was totally MAN and there’s only ONE God.​

1 Tim 2-5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” Paul confirms here that Jesus Christ is ‘Man’ and that there is only One God.

Who is God?

Who is Savior?



Titus 2.13

προσδεχομενοι την μακαριαν ελπιδα καιεπιφανειαν της δοξης του μεγαλου θεου και σωτηρος ημων χριστου ιησου

prosdechomenoi tēn makarian elpida kai epiphaneian tēs doxēstou megalou theou kai sōtēros hēmōn christou iēsou

Looking for the blessed hope and appearance of the gloryof our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,





2 Peter 1.1

σιμων πετρος δουλος και αποστολος ιησουχριστου τοις ισοτιμον ημιν λαχουσιν πιστιν εν δικαιοσυνη του θεου ημων καισωτηρος ιησου χριστου

simōn petros doulos kai apostolos iēsou christou toisisotimon hēmin lachousin pisten en dikaiosunē tou theou hēmōn kai sōtēros iēsouchristou

Simon Peter, a slave and apostle of Jesus Christ, tothose equally precious with us, having obtained faith in the righteousness of our God and Savior, Jesus Christ:




Greek grammar mandates that Jesus is both God and Savior in the above verses.


Jesus is the God-man.

Jesus is the Savior-man.


Thus, when we come to your example, we caneasily see that God and Savior both apply to Jesus, as well.



1 Tim 2.3 - 5

For this is good and acceptable before God our Savior, who desires all men to be saved and to come to a full knowledge of Truth. For God is one,also there is one Mediator of God and of men, the Man ChristJesus,


Jesus is the God-man.

Jesus is the Savior-man.



Further, ‘Truth’ also applies to Jesus.

 

[leelee]

Frank, why did I just have to scroll through 27 messages in a row? Most of which were copies of each other? All of the posts were so long they were hard enough to read in the first place let alone over and over again. Making your point 27 times doesn't make it more or less valid. I realise this sounds harsh and I am sorry for that but this was seriously hard work! Please please one at a time. Maybe two. But not 27. Please and thank-you.

 

[nonicknametouse]

Jesus prayed " Our Father , who art in Heaven , Hallowed be thy name. He exalted His Father in Heaven.

John 15:9 As the Father loved me, so I loved you. Jesus speaking.

john 14:6 I am the way , the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him.

John 14:10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, the words I say to you are not just my own. Rather it is the Father living in me, who is doing his work. Read on.

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father and He will give you another counselor, to be with you forever, the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him, for he lives with you.

 

[PS]

Jesus prayed " Our Father , who art in Heaven , Hallowed be thy name. He exalted His Father in Heaven.

John 15:9 As the Father loved me, so I loved you. Jesus speaking.

john 14:6 I am the way , the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. If you really knew me, you would know my Father as well. From now on, you do know Him and have seen Him.

John 14:10 Don't you believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me, the words I say to you are not just my own. Rather it is the Father living in me, who is doing his work. Read on.

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father and He will give you another counselor, to be with you forever, the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him, for he lives with you.

What point are you making because as God incarnate for 33 years Jesus was correct to talk about his heavenly Father if you think about his birth.

 

[homwardbound]

What point are you making because as God incarnate for 33 years Jesus was correct to talk about his heavenly Father if you think about his birth.

Yes born of a virgin by the Holy Ghost of God, HMMM!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder would this make Jesus not only the Son but as well a life-giving Spirit. For is this not what is done for and to the believer by the resurrection after receiving the forgiveness that is provided at the death. At belief we are and do receive the Holy Ghost of promise as in eph 1:13 we are sealedwith this and this is where we receive truth truth that sets us free and if we are not free then we are in bondage and if in bondage then there might be error in our truth and might need to rethink our truth in order to be set free in order to be doer of the unconditional love that is received in 1 Cor 13 by God we recive this and are partakers in this by Faith in God

 

[PS]

Yes born of a virgin by the Holy Ghost of God, HMMM!!!!!!!!!!!! I wonder would this make Jesus not only the Son but as well a life-giving Spirit. For is this not what is done for and to the believer by the resurrection after receiving the forgiveness that is provided at the death. At belief we are and do receive the Holy Ghost of promise as in eph 1:13 we are sealedwith this and this is where we receive truth truth that sets us free and if we are not free then we are in bondage and if in bondage then there might be error in our truth and might need to rethink our truth in order to be set free in order to be doer of the unconditional love that is received in 1 Cor 13 by God we recive this and are partakers in this by Faith in God

If you believe as I do that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit and they are one then see if this quick google helps explain it better than I can.

Is Jesus the Holy Spirit?

 

[homwardbound]

If you believe as I do that God is Father, Son and Holy Spirit and they are one then see if this quick google helps explain it better than I can.

Is Jesus the Holy Spirit?

Hey I do not have to I know that all three are seperated like a cherry pie three distinct cuts but the filling intersects and flows together with no cuts in it. It is one pie,just as God is one God with many parts
This is how it is because when one comes to belief and is born of the Spirit of God we become one also with him read it in John I think 15 might be 16
Love you PS

 

[Katy-follower]

Ok, page 118 was ridiculously long. I scrolled all the way down it

 

[Bookreader]

For those that don't want to read page 118's oft-repeated post - it's the JW position on God as far as I can see.
It says in paraphrased shorteded version

Jesus is not God.
The holy spirit is the power of God and the ascended Jesus. It is not a 'person'.
The ascended Jesus is the archangel Michael.

One of these statements I think, is incorrect.
I am not associated with the Watchtower Organisation btw. I am not a JW.

I'm hoping the poster made a mistake in repeating the post...

 

[homwardbound]

For those that don't want to read page 118's oft-repeated post - it's the JW position on God as far as I can see.
It says in paraphrased shorteded version


One of these statements I think, is incorrect.
I am not associated with the Watchtower Organisation btw. I am not a JW.

I'm hoping the poster made a mistake in repeating the post...

I don't think so, for some reason frank seems to know the truth and I am not sure, I do know this that Jesus was born of a Virgin no man had entered her and this is why Christ is the only one that never sinned and why none of us could ever completely imitate him copy him. We can follow him and ask for him to let us partake in his Righteousness. And Christ might say are you Howard willing to step aside and have me not just live in you but more importantly live through you. YES!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Teach me teach me. And I heard this verse:
Matthew 5:15Neither do people light a lamp and put it under a bowl. Instead they put it on its stand, and it gives light to everyone in the house.
The lampstand is ones mind and Jesus is the lamp, and God said after you beleive to do what?
Romans 12:2Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.
Would renew our minds be seeing things from the way others see it this world as in focusing on sin? Could be if others are speaking truth? How does each one of us know by who?
For God is our teacher in our hearts that are new by belief by the resurrection

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Jesus was a God but gave up His deity status when He came to earth. He was totally man on this earth. God cannot die, so if Jesus was God on this earth, His death on the cross would mean nothing. Satan would then use this as leverage, as he realizes what he is missing out on and wants his place back in heaven, at the day of judgement to tell everybody that God bluffed everybody by sending His Son to die on the cross while He knew that He could not die. Also, if He did not die, our sins were not taken upon His shoulders and therefore we cannot be saved. There is no other logical explanation as the one that I have described in my document. Please supply logical explanations and stop to impress people with your knowledge on Greek, incidentally, very confusing I might add.
Ek hoop jy verstaan wat ek hier kwyt geraak het.

 

[TruthFromFrank]

Hi leelee
I am new on this web-site and don't know all the ropes yet. I could not find all the doos and don'ts. All I did was to reply to each person who replied to certain statements and felt it necessary to send him/her a copy of my document. I appreciate positive comments. Thanks. Did you enjoy reading my document and what do you think of it?

 

[Domenic]

I'd have to say that is quite a mystery isn't it. Why is it that when One is present all tree are present? I know Jesus is God the Son, not God the Father or the Holy Spirit. When Jesus was baptized we have God the Son, then God the Father speaks and the Holy Spirit comes down.

It is just such a great mystery. When I pray to God the Father then why most I pray trough God the son, and why ask the Holy Spirit for wisdom.

I stil have much to grow, one day I will know why I just hope I get to spend the rest of the eternal life with them.

many scriptures show, Jesus and God are not the same. Jesus said,"The father is greater than I." Why did he not say, "I am greater than I?" When he was on the stake, Jesus said, "Father, why have you forsaen me?" If jesus and God are the same, why did Jesus not say, "Self, why have you forsaken yourself?" I see no mystery here?

 

[PS]

many scriptures show, Jesus and God are not the same. Jesus said,"The father is greater than I." Why did he not say, "I am greater than I?" When he was on the stake, Jesus said, "Father, why have you forsaen me?" If jesus and God are the same, why did Jesus not say, "Self, why have you forsaken yourself?" I see no mystery here?

(Bold. I see what I see)

When Jesus said My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? He was quoting from the Old Testament as he often did, in this case Psalm 22:1.

The Messiah fulfilled Old Testament prophesy.

 

[homwardbound]

Jesus was a God but gave up His deity status when He came to earth. He was totally man on this earth. God cannot die, so if Jesus was God on this earth, His death on the cross would mean nothing. Satan would then use this as leverage, as he realizes what he is missing out on and wants his place back in heaven, at the day of judgement to tell everybody that God bluffed everybody by sending His Son to die on the cross while He knew that He could not die. Also, if He did not die, our sins were not taken upon His shoulders and therefore we cannot be saved. There is no other logical explanation as the one that I have described in my document. Please supply logical explanations and stop to impress people with your knowledge on Greek, incidentally, very confusing I might add.
Ek hoop jy verstaan wat ek hier kwyt geraak het.

Jesus at the cross and two thiefs one believes while the other did not, so eveidence for you as he said to the one that believed today you will be with me (CHRIST speaking) in paradise
Luke 23:43Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.”

The body died only and Christ was born of a virgin, therefore born a liufe-giving Spirit which is offered to every believer once they believe they are forgiven 100% whether they sin again or not, but I doubt they will once they receive the Spiritof God by the resurrection from God to the believer born again here and now

1 John 2:1My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

 

[homwardbound]

many scriptures show, Jesus and God are not the same. Jesus said,"The father is greater than I." Why did he not say, "I am greater than I?" When he was on the stake, Jesus said, "Father, why have you forsaen me?" If jesus and God are the same, why did Jesus not say, "Self, why have you forsaken yourself?" I see no mystery here?

What you posted is true seperated at the time in order to take away sin all of it in Father's sight. And then when resurrected all was and stil is100% complete and the prince of this world has been jujdged defeated like a big dog with a loud bark yet no teeth, gumming people to death, but if one falls for the trap then the devil has defeated that one as has so many have fallen due to worry, and stress, when we are to cast all our cares on Father because of Christ we can and do trusting no matter the outcome good or bad, knowing that Father has a plan and for me I trust this period

 

[homwardbound]

(Bold. I see what I see)

When Jesus said My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? He was quoting from the Old Testament as he often did, in this case Psalm 22:1.

The Messiah fulfilled Old Testament prophesy.

And he fullfilled what John the Babtist said,
John 1:29[ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

 

[PS]

And he fullfilled what John the Babtist said,
John 1:29[ John Testifies About Jesus ] The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him and said, “Look, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

Amen. What an appropriate thought for Easter Sunday.