got another can of worms to open up. see if someone can 'splain this one to me...

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So naturally the dinosaurs lived millions upon millions upon millions of years ago.

You get a picture of that destruction not only from looking around at God's created , the earth; But also I'm sure God describes that destruction here : in Jeremiah :

Jeremiah 4: ( God is speaking, He is addressing the children of Israel . He says they better get their act together. He then in a way is saying : If you don't get your act together soon, I just might wipe everything and everyone out: I did it once before.
And this is were he picks up that thought :

Jeremiah 4:

22 For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

sottish means stupid.

23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.

Same wording as Genesis.

24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.



25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.


key word here """no man"" ( meaning no man like Noah on a ark somewhere. ) Meaning, this destruction was before Noah, and it was bigger. "No" man.. (In my opinion there was probably not left even a seed. )

26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger.

God was saying, there was cities also, and, He destroyed them at the presence of Him and by His fierce anger. ( That begs the question : why was He angry ? clue would be= ( Ezekiel 28 ; & Revelation 12:4 ).


27 For thus hath the Lord said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.


And He didn't . He decided instead, to bring in this age of Salvation and testing. Where Gen1:3 picks up. Where He is not making a earth; but rejuvenating the earth from the destruction he just described in Jeremiah 4. That took place in Gen1:2. - ( To get what Gen 1:1 is saying , you have to read it in the Hebrew, that it was translated from. Use this to properly an fully translate Genesis Chapter 1: verse "2" ' > Genesis Chapter 1 - King James Bible With Strong's Dictionary - Bible Software by johnhurt.com

Naturally He created the earth and the heavens in Gen 1:1.
 
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The Gap Theory is bunk. I've examined many, many translations regarding those verses and it doesn't say the world 'became' void etc. in any of them. I would think the Bible would mention something like, Oh, there having to be an Earth Mach 2. It's so silly, it's not worth considering. People love to speculate, which is fine, but when you start to believe those speculations, you claim dangerous territory.

There are many people who have managed to debunk the theory. Here's one.

What About the Gap & Ruin-Reconstruction Theories? - Answers in Genesis
 
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My impression is, we don't know how long it was from the time God created Adam until the time he fell. But consider this; he was given the task to name all the animals in creation prior to his exile from the garden. If we take into account the scientific measurement that all we know and see of the universe is but 10% of what's actually out there, how many years/eons could it have possibly taken Adam to travel the entire creation naming the animals?
 
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The Gap Theory is bunk. I've examined many, many translations regarding those verses and it doesn't say the world 'became' void etc. in any of them. I would think the Bible would mention something like, Oh, there having to be an Earth Mach 2. It's so silly, it's not worth considering. People love to speculate, which is fine, but when you start to believe those speculations, you claim dangerous territory.

There are many people who have managed to debunk the theory. Here's one.

What About the Gap & Ruin-Reconstruction Theories? - Answers in Genesis
Tintin that is not the gap theory in your link. They don't know what they are talking about. First they work in evolution. The thought and Scripture I just quoted does not work in Evolution , of which I am apposed to. Using common sense with all the scriptures posted. It makes sense. But the link you posted is wrong.

Because it does not represent my views or what I posted here. If you understood more of it you might see that too.

Note to correct a typo on one of the last lines in my post: I meant to say : " you must study in Hebrew, Genesis 1: verse ""2"".
 
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[h=3][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Just another note.[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]job was the grandson of Jacob.[/FONT]

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Genesis 46:13[/FONT][/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]13 [/SUP]And the sons of Issachar; Tola, and Phuvah, and Job, and Shimron.
 
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Hmm, okay, Nathan. My mistake.

Ricky, the subspecies we have today probably weren't around back in Adam's day. Also, the Bible say that God brought them to him, so he wouldn't have had to wander the earth trying to find them. Needless to say, it would've taken a lot less time than we would first think.
 
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Seriously,check out Creation Ministries International...so many answers to dinos,the flood,EVERYTHING! I use it as a homeschool tool...it will change your whole idea of the Bible,in an awesome God way!
 
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Tintin

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Song, what do you think I've been linking too this whole time? That very thing. Yes, they're a great resource.
 

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Dinosaurs are actually rather new to science. It wasn't until the 1800s that the name "dinosaur" came about. Information on these giant beasts seems to change as well. Scientists actually have very limited knowledge on dinos, and still cannot seem to agree on why they became extinct.
Recent news shows the ice age extinction theory was recently disproved, and because they found one bone near a meteor crater they are now saying a giant meteor killed them all.

Scientists have even admitted that some of the dinosaurs we have studied about never even existed. Paleontoligists would use parts of other dinosaurs to fill in the missing pieces to make a whole dinosaur.

New evidence shows the big bad T-Rex likely had feathers, and was not a meat eater. Also, the triceratops and brontosaurus never even existed.
While there are descriptions of large dinosaur like animals in the bible, we aren't too clear on what they really looked like. It is likely they may have been dinosaurs, but one thing that is likely a relevant answer to how they became extinct was the flood washed them all away.
I seriously doubt Noah had them in the ark, but who knows.
 
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God did not originally create the earth this way. It became this way when Lucifer rejected God and the war began
 
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Tintin

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Earl? What are you talking about?
 
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Tintin

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The above post makes even less sense than the previous one. By the way, we're not talking about Job but dinosaurs. Also, only the KJV and NKJV mention Job in that verse, modern translations mention another name. Finally, Job is reputed to have lived somewhere between the Tower of Babel time period and that of Abraham.
 
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Okay, here we go. When God created the universe it was perfect. do you think that it would be anything other than perfect. One day in time past , Lucifer the highest angel in heaven. swelled with pride ( which is the sin that God hates most) wanted to be God himself and actually persuaded 1/3 of the angels in heaven to follow him. hence fallen angels. You can find this in scripture. It is believed that Lucifer had reign on earth. then after his fall God reformed the earth and made man and gave him dominion over it. Then Lucifer deceived Adam and regained control. Until Jesus came as the second Adam and took the keys of death and hell.
 
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No. The first part is right but it's believed the angels were kicked out of Heaven somewhere between the end of the sixth day and the beginning of Genesis Chapter 3. We know from Job that they walked the earth after this time, causing great strife wherever they went.
 

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Okay, here we go. When God created the universe it was perfect. do you think that it would be anything other than perfect. One day in time past , Lucifer the highest angel in heaven. swelled with pride ( which is the sin that God hates most) wanted to be God himself and actually persuaded 1/3 of the angels in heaven to follow him. hence fallen angels. You can find this in scripture. It is believed that Lucifer had reign on earth. then after his fall God reformed the earth and made man and gave him dominion over it. Then Lucifer deceived Adam and regained control. Until Jesus came as the second Adam and took the keys of death and hell.
Ok... so... Whenever you want to mention dinosaurs that would be cool
 
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Can anyone find a dinosaur in scripture. Other than behemoth and Leviathan. They are described as a dragon. Which is portrayed as Satan.

Psalm 91:13Thou shalt tread upon the lion and adder: the young lion and the dragon shalt thou trample under feet

Isaiah 34:13And thorns shall come up in her palaces, nettles and brambles in the fortresses thereof: and it shall be an habitation of dragons, and a court for owls.

Jeremiah 9:11And I will make Jerusalem heaps, and a den of dragons; and I will make the cities of Judah desolate, without an inhabitant.

Jeremiah 49:33And Hazor shall be a dwelling for dragons, and a desolation for ever: there shall no man abide there, nor any son of man dwell in it.

Malachi 1:3And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness.

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Tintin

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The dragon isn't always Satan and the Job references etc. are to mythology, God and Satan's battle and (at the time) real life beasts.