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I'm not especially into guns, but two things about the gun issue bother me.
One is the amount of misinformation out there. Many brothers and sisters from other parts of the world think machine guns are legal to purchase with no license in America, for example.
The second is the eagerness some folks have in using unkind names to refer to either gun owners/gun legal states & countries, or gun control advocates/gun regulated states/countries.
One is the amount of misinformation out there. Many brothers and sisters from other parts of the world think machine guns are legal to purchase with no license in America, for example.
The second is the eagerness some folks have in using unkind names to refer to either gun owners/gun legal states & countries, or gun control advocates/gun regulated states/countries.
NOT undetected, but rather proudly proclaiming our flag and our moral stance!! LOL.
Yes indeed, Canadians do not believe we need to use a dangerous tool like a gun. True, cars kill a lot of people. But usually it is on the way to work, or a drunken driver. The sole purpose of a gun is to kill! Unless you want to use it instead of a hammer to build a house, thus ruining the gun for its original purpose.
I think Piper's point about assault weapons is well taken. Who in the US walks down the street with an assault weapon in their hands, just in case someone is out to murder them? Well, perhaps a gang might do that. But imagine if it was NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to get assault weapons? How many deaths of innocent people in the last 20 or 30 years could have been prevented in the US??
I know that even if I was trained to use a gun (Can't imagine why!) I could never pull the trigger. I do not believe in harming human beings. I guess that is the true meaning of a pro-life stance. It is not just being against abortion and euthanasia, but against killing even humans who are evil. In fact, I dislike killing so intensely, I am a vegetarian, too!
When you create an ethos that everyone needs a gun to protect themselves, you become a paranoid society. As Christians, that means we are not trusting God, in EVERY situation. The slaughter of innocents might decrease significantly. Less money spent on military interventions might be used to educate and help more people have decent jobs if guns were controlled and minimized in the US and other countries where everyone has the right to have a gun.
For that matter, Christians focusing on the weapon of prayer, might be the catalyst for revival Imagine thousands upon thousands of lives transformed by the gospel. It would be like the Wales revival, where the judges wore white gloves, signifying there were NO cases to try. Because the Holy Spirit had swept the country.
Guns are the answer in an immoral and violent society. God wants us to spread the truth of God's peace and love, with repentance for sin. For killing another human being is a sin.
"Thou shalt not kill." Ex. 20:13
It doesn't give any leeway for self defense. Murder is when you take another life. It might be self defense in modern eyes, but what is it in God's eyes?
Yes indeed, Canadians do not believe we need to use a dangerous tool like a gun. True, cars kill a lot of people. But usually it is on the way to work, or a drunken driver. The sole purpose of a gun is to kill! Unless you want to use it instead of a hammer to build a house, thus ruining the gun for its original purpose.
I think Piper's point about assault weapons is well taken. Who in the US walks down the street with an assault weapon in their hands, just in case someone is out to murder them? Well, perhaps a gang might do that. But imagine if it was NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to get assault weapons? How many deaths of innocent people in the last 20 or 30 years could have been prevented in the US??
I know that even if I was trained to use a gun (Can't imagine why!) I could never pull the trigger. I do not believe in harming human beings. I guess that is the true meaning of a pro-life stance. It is not just being against abortion and euthanasia, but against killing even humans who are evil. In fact, I dislike killing so intensely, I am a vegetarian, too!
When you create an ethos that everyone needs a gun to protect themselves, you become a paranoid society. As Christians, that means we are not trusting God, in EVERY situation. The slaughter of innocents might decrease significantly. Less money spent on military interventions might be used to educate and help more people have decent jobs if guns were controlled and minimized in the US and other countries where everyone has the right to have a gun.
For that matter, Christians focusing on the weapon of prayer, might be the catalyst for revival Imagine thousands upon thousands of lives transformed by the gospel. It would be like the Wales revival, where the judges wore white gloves, signifying there were NO cases to try. Because the Holy Spirit had swept the country.
Guns are the answer in an immoral and violent society. God wants us to spread the truth of God's peace and love, with repentance for sin. For killing another human being is a sin.
"Thou shalt not kill." Ex. 20:13
It doesn't give any leeway for self defense. Murder is when you take another life. It might be self defense in modern eyes, but what is it in God's eyes?
Angela a few things one if you made harder for everyday people to get guns than the only people who would have them would be criminals not a good situation... two your agaisnt kiling but what if someone was about to murder your loved ones you wouldnt kill the person to save them... an finally the bible says not to murder but there is a diffrence between murdering and killing it also says there is a time for everything even a time to kill.
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I dunno. The worlds gone way too corrupt for me to submit my firearms. I don't know Canadian background, forgive me for ignorance. But AMerica is free because we were able to fight for our freedoms. THe revolutionary war, all three world wars. DO guns kill people, yes, but they also protect people. Guns in the hands of the wrong people is lethal. So the big question is, are the government the good guys, or the people of AMerica the good guys, and is sacrificing our guns for the 20% of the population with a criminal rationg reasonable enough to prohibit gusn from the other 80%? people just don't realize the government isn't going to protect them now, and probably not forever, eventually down the line someones go;ing to elect another Hitler, even if its NOT Obama. And when it does, and we have no guns, we're going to be SOL. THe government is made up of people. People go corrupt. I have no idea why people think that people having global power, and unlimited pwer such as being world leaders would make them incorruptible. People do bad things. But without guns, and arsenal nobody is going to be able to stop corrupt power, and the government HAS their weapons everyone wants to lie to themselves and get caught up in this notion of everyithing is going to be okay, and things like total takeovers could happen everywhere else in the world, but not to America, and they allow themselves to be lured into a false sense of security. Obama is not you mother, and he will not treat you like his a child. Why would they surrender anything to him? I have NO idea. Sadly those people make up over half of our country right now, and they don't listen to anything except what their 'perceiveable' notion of what is RIGHT. And refuse to listen to anything of good conscience, like thinking beyond the perc3eption of right now, into 5 10 15 20 years from now after we have sacrificed everything that kept us safe for false hope. What happens when the entire world is ran by government. All I can do is pray I suppose.
Funny that some people are against guns until some stranger breaks into their homes and threatens their families. Then they want to call the police 'cause they don't have any guns to defend themselves. Police will even tell you that you are better off having guns especially in rural areas where they cannot get to your place all the time in an instant. Heard of rabid animals? They do exist. I've been bitten by one and I've had a rabies shot. My dad killed the animal...with a gun to prevent it from harming others. Also, most people who follow the law use guns for hunting and defense purposes only. They don't use them to murder. Watch people throw around the verse that says "turn the other cheek." That verse is so misinterpreted. If I am put to the situation where my life or my family's is threatened, I will choose the most efficient way to protect them and that is with a gun.
In conclusion, each and every verse you picked here is out of context or misused in some way. The fact is, Jesus is a God of peace love, and the American system is one birthed in violence. You can't justify gun use if you are a Christian.
You cannot take OT verses and apply them to out times, which are NT - we are saved by God to spread the good news that Jesus came to die for us. That was the last death that was needed.
My advice is to read the whole chapter when you are researching something next time. Good hermeneutics requires that is the least you do in order to avoid picking verses which actually support the other side - in this case - preserving life, because we are created in the image of God!
You cannot take OT verses and apply them to out times, which are NT - we are saved by God to spread the good news that Jesus came to die for us. That was the last death that was needed.
My advice is to read the whole chapter when you are researching something next time. Good hermeneutics requires that is the least you do in order to avoid picking verses which actually support the other side - in this case - preserving life, because we are created in the image of God!
I will mention, that in Canada, no one has ever broken into my house with a gun in my nearly 60 years, or my parents 80 years, or any member of my family EVER. I have been robbed, but no guns were involved. I have never been threatened by a gun. But I confess, I am not sure how you would ever stop this ethic of the right to kill for any reason, or even in self defense, which is so entrenched in the American dream. Or is that a nightmare??
C
God is a God of love, and peace, and understanding. God nowhere says to sacrifice our character, or to allow people to walk on us, or put ourselves in danger to cement hope in others. The bible says to NOT sacrifice our character, and to beware because bad company corrupts good character, to NOT put ourselves in danger, walking in the light, and following everything that is good, and true, and pure, and to bring others up, witnessing grace to them, so that they may follow our example, and GLORIFY our father which is IN HEAVEN. If there weren't bad people in the world then we wouldn't need to protect ourselves. When I do need to protect myself, and the things that I love, I will do it. It doesn't mean that Im happy about it, or that I don't mourn the opposition of the other party, it just means sometimes I have to think beyond myself and what I deem right into what is actually going to be beneficial for people down the road. Not just what serves my purpose for right now. Its a difficult choice to make, but one that needs to be made.
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Has anybody noticed when the U.S. govt purchases fully automatic ar15's for the Dept. of Homeland Security they are called personal defense weapons, but when a civilian purchases a semi-automatic ar15 it is an assualt rifle?
Activist Post: Why are AR-15's 'Personal Defense' Weapons for the DHS but 'Assault Rifles' for Citizens?
Department of Homeland Security states AR-15 Rifles "Suitable for Personal Defense" - WatchdogWire - Florida
Hmmm, if a fully automatic ar15 is a personal defense weapon in the hands of the government then why is a semi automatic ar 15 in the hands of the civilian an assault weapon? Could it be, that the reason the govt plays this word game is to dupe the uniformed sheeple of this country into giving up the guns, protected by our second ammendmant rights, that would make it possible for us to take a stand against our govt. in the event they become tyrannical? Isn't the the purpose of the 2nd ammendmant to make sure the citizens of the U.S. have the means of defending themselves in the event the govt becomes tyrannical?
As many in this forum have demonstrated in multiple threads, yes we are to love our neighbors. But that does not mean we are to stand idly by and allow those who ignore the law to rape, pillage and murder. How can we protect our families that we are responsible for if the criminals are armed with guns and we are not? Even if the law abiding citizens were to turn in their guns, we have no gaurantee the criminals will turn their's in. Door to door searches will not result in the confistication of all guns.
Would some of the anti-gun folks care to explain why murder rates tend to drop when concealed carry laws go into effect?
By the way AR stands for armalite rifle not automatic rifle as many falsely assume. As other companies started building copies of these rifles they also designated them as ar15's because of name recognition.
Do farmers have a legitamte use for needing and using semiatomatic rifles? Sure they do! One menonite famer I know uses an ar15 with a 30 round magazine and stands guard at night to keep the racoons out of his corn crop. A racoon on the run at 100 yards plus is hard to hit. On more then one occasion he has emptied the magazine without ever hitting a single racoon. But at least the noise and debris from the bullets hitting the ground near the racoons chased them off preventing damge to his crop. Or what about the rancher who has a problem with predatory animals targeting his live stock? In many states feral hogs have become an issue. When there are 10 or 12 feral hogs in your field destorying your crops how do you stop them if you are not armed? If the farmer only had a single shot rifle or shotgun, after he fired that shot the rest of the hogs would scatter so fast he could not reload. With a semiauto ar15 he may get lucky and get two or three of those feral hogs before the feral hogs get out of range.
Activist Post: Why are AR-15's 'Personal Defense' Weapons for the DHS but 'Assault Rifles' for Citizens?
Department of Homeland Security states AR-15 Rifles "Suitable for Personal Defense" - WatchdogWire - Florida
Hmmm, if a fully automatic ar15 is a personal defense weapon in the hands of the government then why is a semi automatic ar 15 in the hands of the civilian an assault weapon? Could it be, that the reason the govt plays this word game is to dupe the uniformed sheeple of this country into giving up the guns, protected by our second ammendmant rights, that would make it possible for us to take a stand against our govt. in the event they become tyrannical? Isn't the the purpose of the 2nd ammendmant to make sure the citizens of the U.S. have the means of defending themselves in the event the govt becomes tyrannical?
As many in this forum have demonstrated in multiple threads, yes we are to love our neighbors. But that does not mean we are to stand idly by and allow those who ignore the law to rape, pillage and murder. How can we protect our families that we are responsible for if the criminals are armed with guns and we are not? Even if the law abiding citizens were to turn in their guns, we have no gaurantee the criminals will turn their's in. Door to door searches will not result in the confistication of all guns.
Would some of the anti-gun folks care to explain why murder rates tend to drop when concealed carry laws go into effect?
By the way AR stands for armalite rifle not automatic rifle as many falsely assume. As other companies started building copies of these rifles they also designated them as ar15's because of name recognition.
Do farmers have a legitamte use for needing and using semiatomatic rifles? Sure they do! One menonite famer I know uses an ar15 with a 30 round magazine and stands guard at night to keep the racoons out of his corn crop. A racoon on the run at 100 yards plus is hard to hit. On more then one occasion he has emptied the magazine without ever hitting a single racoon. But at least the noise and debris from the bullets hitting the ground near the racoons chased them off preventing damge to his crop. Or what about the rancher who has a problem with predatory animals targeting his live stock? In many states feral hogs have become an issue. When there are 10 or 12 feral hogs in your field destorying your crops how do you stop them if you are not armed? If the farmer only had a single shot rifle or shotgun, after he fired that shot the rest of the hogs would scatter so fast he could not reload. With a semiauto ar15 he may get lucky and get two or three of those feral hogs before the feral hogs get out of range.
LOL.
Yes I agree, going to work is dangerous, which is part of the reason why I stay home XD
Ok. what if you just used rubber bullets or tazer? they aren't lethal, problem solved yes?
Edit: Ok heres an idea, bring back the shield, want protection? going to have to carry around your shield XD ( ok now I'm just being silly but I cant help it *Trollface*)
Yes I agree, going to work is dangerous, which is part of the reason why I stay home XD
Ok. what if you just used rubber bullets or tazer? they aren't lethal, problem solved yes?
Edit: Ok heres an idea, bring back the shield, want protection? going to have to carry around your shield XD ( ok now I'm just being silly but I cant help it *Trollface*)
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Yeah. I mean God is definitely against you going out and killing another person because you want their shoes.
Would a loving God if an assailant wanted your shoes, want you to fight back in any way that you could? Or would he want you to think to yourself that he hated you enough to allow someone to brutally murder you in the street, and think that he wouldn't have wanted you to do anything about it?
And if a man finds a woman betrothed in the city, and lies with her, they shall both be put to death, the woman because she did not CALL OUT FOR HELP, and the man because he hath committed crime against his neighbor. That's Deuteronomy 22:23-24
Would a loving God if an assailant wanted your shoes, want you to fight back in any way that you could? Or would he want you to think to yourself that he hated you enough to allow someone to brutally murder you in the street, and think that he wouldn't have wanted you to do anything about it?
And if a man finds a woman betrothed in the city, and lies with her, they shall both be put to death, the woman because she did not CALL OUT FOR HELP, and the man because he hath committed crime against his neighbor. That's Deuteronomy 22:23-24