Catholic Church a Proponent of Doctrines of Demons?

[Mammachickadee]

I Timothy 4:1-5
"1Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons, 2through the insincerity of liars whose consciences are seared, 3who forbid marriage and require abstinence from foods that God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth. 4For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5for it is made holy by the word of God and prayer." -ESV via Biblehub.com
Not long ago I was listening to a Jewish radio minister discuss how, though he is a believer, he still does not eat unclean foods. His father is an Orthodox Jew and asks him every time they meet if he is still honoring such beliefs concerning diet. For the sake of their relationship he still does not eat foods that the Jews do not consider kosher.
But what of the contemporary (as in currently present) churches such as the Catholic church that still forbid priests to marry? Are they not supporting what the Bible calls a "teaching of deamons"?
I am not one who believes that one cannot be part of the catholic church and still be justified by God. Because of my beliefs in election I understand that God is the chooser and man is the dependent. Also, EVERY local church has at least one thing present in the church that goes against scriptures... be it congregational issues or doctrinal issues. Due to the increased lean of the Catholic church toward "acceptance" and "universalism" and "universal unitarianism" one must wonder what comes next. There is an increasing bond between the Catholic Church and Islam.

 

[Reformedjason]

The more I read about the Catholic Church , the more I realize how out of touch with biblical truths they are.

 

[crossnote]

Rome has been in apostasy since about the 6th century...deeper and deeper.

 

[yahuadah]

I understood in your comment that you said god chooses the election. who are the elect? are they all nation of people or a particular nation?

 

[Mammachickadee]

I understood in your comment that you said god chooses the election. who are the elect? are they all nation of people or a particular nation?

"The elect" has two meanings in the Bible. 1. The nation of Israel is "the elect" as those chosen to carry the line of the Messiah and to be quite influential in the last days, and 2. those who God predestined for salvation and who He calls with an undeniable call to salvation.

 

[yahuadah]

If that is so, who is Israel today by the bloodline and what place do the gentiles who are saved have in the kingdom of heaven today?

 

[yahuadah]

"The elect" has two meanings in the Bible. 1. The nation of Israel is "the elect" as those chosen to carry the line of the Messiah and to be quite influential in the last days, and 2. those who God predestined for salvation and who He calls with an undeniable call to salvation.

If that is so, who is Israel today by the bloodline and what place do the gentiles who are saved have in the kingdom of heaven today?

 

[notuptome]

Boy this thread quickly got off track thanks to Calvinism.
I think that including the demon aspect in the OP is over the top. Apostasy is a valid inquiry when looking at catholic church doctrine but we should use the same measure when inquiring about our own doctrine. There are aspects of how Calvinism is understood that could be construed as demonic given the way it is understood by most who post on the subject here on CC. A quick example would be is praying to saints demonic? Is limited atonement or irresistible grace demonic? Biblically questionable certainly but demonic?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Bookends]

Why has not God removed the candlestick of the Catholic Church like he did to the 7 churches in Rev. 2 and 3? And I say he did because they are no longer here.

 

[Mammachickadee]

If that is so, who is Israel today by the bloodline and what place do the gentiles who are saved have in the kingdom of heaven today?

The more important question is who is the elect as it pertains to God's quickened people unto salvation regardless of their race?

 

[Mammachickadee]

Boy this thread quickly got off track thanks to Calvinism.
I think that including the demon aspect in the OP is over the top. Apostasy is a valid inquiry when looking at catholic church doctrine but we should use the same measure when inquiring about our own doctrine. There are aspects of how Calvinism is understood that could be construed as demonic given the way it is understood by most who post on the subject here on CC. A quick example would be is praying to saints demonic? Is limited atonement or irresistible grace demonic? Biblically questionable certainly but demonic?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Praying to saints is simple ignorance considering the fact they are just dead men or living Christians. Limited atonement and irresistible grace are both biblical principles. God calls whom He will save, and only those whom He will save. True, he uses unbelievers to fulfill His will, but for the purpose of fellowship with Him He has saved the Elect.

 

[yahuadah]

The more important question is who is the elect as it pertains to God's quickened people unto salvation regardless of their race?

I am not trying to be rude or anything I am just an honest person and I just wanna know why the churches are teaching salvation is for all nations when the gentiles didn't need to be saved because they were not given the laws in the old testament and did not transgress the laws of the god of Israel. you and I both know that's true. Christ came because of the sins of his people, he washed away their sins after dying then made a new covenant with them. I don't understand why the gentiles get so exited about salvation when it clearly isn't for them because they were not given the laws and did not transgress the laws.
Even in the book of revelation 21 it tells you the kingdom of heaven is for the 12 tribe of the children of Israel.

 

[Mammachickadee]

Boy this thread quickly got off track thanks to Calvinism.
I think that including the demon aspect in the OP is over the top. Apostasy is a valid inquiry when looking at catholic church doctrine but we should use the same measure when inquiring about our own doctrine. There are aspects of how Calvinism is understood that could be construed as demonic given the way it is understood by most who post on the subject here on CC. A quick example would be is praying to saints demonic? Is limited atonement or irresistible grace demonic? Biblically questionable certainly but demonic?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Did you note the quoted scripture? They aren't my words, but God's. He called them doctrines of demons...

 

[yahuadah]

Boy this thread quickly got off track thanks to Calvinism.
I think that including the demon aspect in the OP is over the top. Apostasy is a valid inquiry when looking at catholic church doctrine but we should use the same measure when inquiring about our own doctrine. There are aspects of how Calvinism is understood that could be construed as demonic given the way it is understood by most who post on the subject here on CC. A quick example would be is praying to saints demonic? Is limited atonement or irresistible grace demonic? Biblically questionable certainly but demonic?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

The saints are the children of Israel.


psalms 148:14 He has put on high the horn of his people, for the praise of all his saints; even the children of Israel, a people which is near to him. Let the Lord be praised

 

[Shiloah]

Did you note the quoted scripture? They aren't my words, but God's. He called them doctrines of demons...

God's word didn't specifically say Calvinism or Catholicism or any specific denomination teach doctrines of demons. Yes, such doctrines are taught, but let's be careful who we accuse. I'm sure no Catholic, and I disagree with many of their doctrines, but I also know Catholics that truly love the Lord. Calvinism to me is off the wall, but I'm not going to call it a doctrine of demons. Let's let God be the judge there. Let's just try to determine what the truth is, how about, rather than pointing fingers. We don't know that we ourselves aren't guilty of believing in and teaching some wrongful doctrines out of misunderstanding, misinterpretation, or just plain ignorance.

P.S. I frankly think the Protestant churches have at least as many goofy unscriptural doctrines as the Catholic church does.

 

[Shiloah]

I am not trying to be rude or anything I am just an honest person and I just wanna know why the churches are teaching salvation is for all nations when the gentiles didn't need to be saved because they were not given the laws in the old testament and did not transgress the laws of the god of Israel. you and I both know that's true. Christ came because of the sins of his people, he washed away their sins after dying then made a new covenant with them. I don't understand why the gentiles get so exited about salvation when it clearly isn't for them because they were not given the laws and did not transgress the laws.
Even in the book of revelation 21 it tells you the kingdom of heaven is for the 12 tribe of the children of Israel.

Are you kidding? You think Christ came to save just the Jews because only the Jews needed salvation? You need to go back and read the whole Bible.

 

[Mammachickadee]

I am not trying to be rude or anything I am just an honest person and I just wanna know why the churches are teaching salvation is for all nations when the gentiles didn't need to be saved because they were not given the laws in the old testament and did not transgress the laws of the god of Israel. you and I both know that's true. Christ came because of the sins of his people, he washed away their sins after dying then made a new covenant with them. I don't understand why the gentiles get so exited about salvation when it clearly isn't for them because they were not given the laws and did not transgress the laws.
Even in the book of revelation 21 it tells you the kingdom of heaven is for the 12 tribe of the children of Israel.

That is a very reasonable question. 1. If the jewish bloodline is carried through the father, how could Jesus have been a Jew under the Mosaic law? 2. Christ completed the law and salvation is for all generations of all people. "Go unto ALL the world and preach the gospel." Long before Jew or Gentile there was Man and God. When man first sinned, sin entered the world, bringing death to all people because they were imperfect and not deserving of heaven. Hell was created for the devil and his angels, but due to man's inherent sin nature all but those that God deems fit to save are condemned to hell. God does not differentiate between Jew and Gentile, man or woman. In fact, a huge chunk of the New Testament was written to Christian Gentiles. What verses were you reading in Revelation 21 that say heaven is only for the 12 tribes?
Isaiah 49:6
"Indeed He says,
‘It is too small a thing that You should be My Servant
To raise up the tribes of Jacob,
And to restore the preserved ones of Israel;
I will also give You as a light to the Gentiles,
That You should be My salvation to the ends of the earth.'"
Zechariah 2:11
"11 Many nations will join themselves to the Lord on that day, and they, too, will be my people. I will live among you, and you will know that the Lord of Heaven’s Armies sent me to you."
Romans 15:9-12
9 He also came so that the Gentiles might give glory to God for his mercies to them. That is what the psalmist meant when he wrote:
“For this, I will praise you among the Gentiles;
I will sing praises to your name.”

10 And in another place it is written,
“Rejoice with his people,
you Gentiles.”

11 And yet again,
“Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles.
Praise him, all you people of the earth.”

12 And in another place Isaiah said,
“The heir to David’s throne will come,
and he will rule over the Gentiles.
They will place their hope on him.”

Romans 15:14-32
14 I myself am satisfied about you, my brothers, that you yourselves are full of goodness, filled withall knowledge and able to instruct one another. 15 But on some points I have written to you very boldly by way of reminder, because of the grace given me by God 16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the priestly service of the gospel of God, so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit. 17 In Christ Jesus, then, I have reason to be proud of my work for God. 18 For I will not venture to speak of anything except what Christ has accomplished through me to bring the Gentiles to obedience—by word and deed, 19 by the power of signs and wonders, by the power of the Spirit of God—so that from Jerusalem and all the way around to Illyricum I have fulfilled the ministry of the gospel of Christ; 20 and thus I make it my ambition to preach the gospel, not where Christ has already been named, lest I build on someone else's foundation, 21 but as it is written,
“Those who have never been told of him will see,
and those who have never heard will understand.”

Paul's Plan to Visit Rome

22 This is the reason why I have so often been hindered from coming to you. 23 But now, since I no longer have any room for work in these regions, and since I have longed for many years to come to you, 24 I hope to see you in passing as I go to Spain, and to be helped on my journey there by you, once I have enjoyed your company for a while. 25 At present, however, I am going to Jerusalem bringing aid to the saints. 26 For Macedonia and Achaia have been pleased to make some contribution for the poor among the saints at Jerusalem. 27 For they were pleased to do it, and indeed they owe it to them. For if the Gentiles have come to share in their spiritual blessings, they ought also to be of service to them in material blessings. 28 When therefore I have completed this and have delivered to them what has been collected, I will leave for Spain by way of you. 29 I know that when I come to you I will come in the fullness of the blessing of Christ.
30 I appeal to you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to strive together with me in your prayers to God on my behalf, 31 that I may be delivered from the unbelievers in Judea, and that my service for Jerusalem may be acceptable to the saints, 32 so that by God's will I may come to you with joy and be refreshed in your company."

 

[Shiloah]

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1I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. 2God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Don’t you know what Scripture says in the passage about Elijah—how he appealed to God against Israel: 3“Lord, they have killed your prophets and torn down your altars; I am the only one left, and they are trying to kill me”[SUP]a[/SUP] ? 4And what was God’s answer to him? “I have reserved for myself seven thousand who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”[SUP]b[/SUP] 5So too, at the present time there is a remnant chosen by grace. 6And if by grace, then it cannot be based on works; if it were, grace would no longer be grace.
7What then? What the people of Israel sought so earnestly they did not obtain. The elect among them did, but the others were hardened, 8as it is written:
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
eyes that could not see
and ears that could not hear,
to this very day.”[SUP]c[/SUP]
9And David says:
“May their table become a snare and a trap,
a stumbling block and a retribution for them.
10May their eyes be darkened so they cannot see,
and their backs be bent forever.”[SUP]d[/SUP]

Ingrafted Branches

11Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. 12But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their full inclusion bring!
13I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I take pride in my ministry 14in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. 15For if their rejection brought reconciliation to the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? 16If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches.
17If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, 18do not consider yourself to be superior to those other branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in.” 20Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but tremble. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either.
22Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. 23And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. 24After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree!
All Israel Will Be Saved
25I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in, 26and in this way[SUP]e[/SUP] all Israel will be saved. As it is written:
“The deliverer will come from Zion;
he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27And this is[SUP]f[/SUP] my covenant with them
when I take away their sins.”[SUP]g[/SUP]
28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies for your sake; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, 29for God’s gifts and his call are irrevocable. 30Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[SUP]h[/SUP] receive mercy as a result of God’s mercy to you. 32For God has bound everyone over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
33Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and[SUP]i[/SUP] knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34“Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”[SUP]j[/SUP]
35“Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”[SUP]k[/SUP]
36For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

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[1still_waters]

I am not trying to be rude or anything I am just an honest person and I just wanna know why the churches are teaching salvation is for all nations when the gentiles didn't need to be saved because they were not given the laws in the old testament and did not transgress the laws of the god of Israel. you and I both know that's true. Christ came because of the sins of his people, he washed away their sins after dying then made a new covenant with them. I don't understand why the gentiles get so exited about salvation when it clearly isn't for them because they were not given the laws and did not transgress the laws.
Even in the book of revelation 21 it tells you the kingdom of heaven is for the 12 tribe of the children of Israel.

Romans 5
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned— [SUP]13 [/SUP](For until the law sin was in the world, but sin is not imputed when there is no law. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over those who had not sinned according to the likeness of the transgression of Adam, who is a type of Him who was to come.

Because death spread to ALL men, and because ALL have sinned.

 

[Mammachickadee]

The saints are the children of Israel.


psalms 148:14 He has put on high the horn of his people, for the praise of all his saints; even the children of Israel, a people which is near to him. Let the Lord be praised

"Saints" is a Biblical term for Bible-believing Christians. You are not incorrect in saying that saints are the children of Israel... but they are not children of the blood Israel but rather spiritual Israel.
The word “saint” comes from the Greek word hagios, which means “consecrated to God, holy, sacred, pious." It is almost always used in the plural, “saints.” "…Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem" (Acts 9:13). "Now as Peter was traveling through all those regions, he came down also to the saints who lived at Lydda" (Acts 9:32). "And this is just what I did in Jerusalem; not only did I lock up many of the saints in prisons …“ (Acts 26:10). There is only one instance of the singular use, and that is "Greet every saint in Christ Jesus…" (Philippians 4:21). In Scripture there are 67 uses of the plural “saints” compared to only one use of the singular word “saint.” Even in that one instance, a plurality of saints is in view: “…every saint…” (Philippians 4:21).

The idea of the word “saints” is a group of people set apart for the Lord and His kingdom. There are three references referring to godly character of saints: "that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints …" (Romans 16:2). "For the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ" (Ephesians 4:12). "But immorality or any impurity or greed must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints" (Ephesians 5:3).

Therefore, scripturally speaking, the “saints” are the body of Christ, Christians, the church. All Christians are considered saints. All Christian are saints—and at the same time are called to be saints.First Corinthians 1:2states it clearly: “To the church of God in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus and called to be holy…” The words “sanctified” and “holy” come from the same Greek root as the word that is commonly translated “saints.” Christians are saints by virtue of their connection with Jesus Christ. Christians are called to be saints, to increasingly allow their daily life to more closely match their position in Christ. This is the biblical description and calling of the saints.

How does the Roman Catholic understanding of “saints” compare with the biblical teaching? Not very well. In Roman Catholic theology, the saints are in heaven. In the Bible, the saints are on earth. In Roman Catholic teaching, a person does not become a saint unless he/she is “beatified” or “canonized” by the Pope or prominent bishop. In the Bible, everyone who has received Jesus Christ by faith is a saint. In Roman Catholic practice, the saints are revered, prayed to, and in some instances, worshipped. In the Bible, saints are called to revere, worship, and pray to God alone.

Read more:What are Christian saints according to the Bible?