"Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A LIE

[GreenNnice]

"Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A LIE

.....for that would be a lie. And, God can NOT lie !

This, theretofore, explains the 'many are called, but few are chosen' verse well. God wants every one to come to repentance, to not 'perish,' just as Peter states in his 2nd epistle, '...that none should perish.' But, God knows some will not choose Him, so to say that ALL will be called is wrong, because God KNOWS not to call those who are NOT going to choose Him. This latter sentence is VERY incredible. Very

God KNOWS who will choose Him, they ARE the called. Does this make sense

And, do not confuse this with God NOT trying for EVERYONE to choose Him. ALL can choose Him. He just knows who will and won't.
Don't 2nd guess God either, as Isaiah 55 states, No one knows His thoughts or WAYS (actions)," they are higher than ours and different than ours.

We think in human terms, He thinks in His terms

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts,neither are your ways my ways,”



God is SOVEREIGN over all people and all things, over ALL. He knew you would be born before you were an embryo.
He knew you would be doing the exact thing you are doing before you did it, even though, TOO, He allows you to choose the very thing you are doing RIGHT THIS MINUTE !

God is all-knowing. God is all-powerful. God is "all and all," Scripture tells us.

Therefore, it would be a LIE by God, if He used the word 'ALL' for this Scripture. He can NOT say: "ALL are called, but few are chosen.'

NO !! ONLY 'many' are called, because God knows SOME are with hard hearts and will NEVER choose Him. Pharaoh is a PERFECT example. God HARDENED Pharaoh's already HARD heart.

You see, our hearts are HARD at our birth, we only receive a heart of flesh at our being reborn or, 'born again' to Him, having decided to choose Him, believe in Him, follow Him, through faith, because of His grace.

Back to God not never ever never ever lying..............
This saying of "All are called, but few are chosen" would be God telling a lie, for God knows NOT all are called because He knows SOME have HARD hearts in the first place and will NEVER EVER NEVER choose Him.

This is a tough thread to do, for I know it's going to receive SOME's gnashing of teeth. But, it must be said, I cannot tell............................

..................................a lie, or, let you, come to believe......................................................

a lie, or, let you THINK that God's calling of 'many' and not 'all' is for any other reason than thus just stated. That is the Truth.

Titus
1 Paul, a bond-servant of God and an apostle of Jesus Christ, for the faith of those chosen of God and the knowledge of the truth which is according to godliness, 2 in the hope of eternal life, which God, who cannot lie, promised long ages ago, 3 but at the proper time manifested, even His word, in the proclamation with which I was entrusted according to the commandment of God our Savior,…


But, God would be lying if He said that He did not want ALL to come to Him. He DOES want ALL to come to Him.

The big question that you should be asking yourself is not if you are one of the 'few' who are chosen, but IF you are one of the 'many' who are called.

Hint: YOU are called, IF you've been approached by Christ in some way of your life, not sure how, you know, He knows. And, you've accepted His call

Also, you should ask yourself IF this verse speaks The Truth to you:

"But do not let this one fact escape your notice, beloved, that with the Lord one day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years like one day. 9The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance."

Now, some will confuse you, make you THINK that those coming to repentance are those who are ALREADY WITH CHRIST, they just need to confess some bad thing, some sin, some thing they did in the midst of their being a Christian. Au contraire. So not so.

Christ is SPEAKING to ALL men (and women), here is Christ, through the holy, inspired words of the apostle, Peter, telling us ALL that He wants NO ONE to perish. These words SPEAK of ALL people, He is speaking of those who have been called , who are part of the 'many,' but who have not yet decided to be CHOSEN by Him. Choose to believe on Him, you choose to be one of the 'few' who are chosen by Him to NOT perish after you DIE


The word 'few' is a real word, it's really in the bible. That's the Truth. BELIEVE on Him and you are one of the few who are chosen by Him for eternal life with Him, and, not eternal life in that place spoken of ALSO in Scripture --the FIRE!

 

[konroh]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

Matt. 22:10“Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests. 11“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, 12and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. 13“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Both evil and good people are invited to the wedding feast for the King's Son. But some do not really follow the Master in the way they should, they don't put on the wedding garments. Look at Rev. 19:7b

For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.”
(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)

This man has been invited to the kingdom, invited to the feast, and the King calls him "Friend," but instead of enjoying the feast, he's bound, put in the relative darkness outside the feast, and bemoans his status.

Why? For many are called, but few are chosen.

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

All men are called to repent and believe in Christ

Therefore although God has overlooked the times of ignorance, he now calls all people everywhere to repent, Acts 17:30​

 

[GreenNnice]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

Yes, it's a 'great' verse. It's understandable, but ONLY when one realizes that God is all and all. He knows all and is all. He does all, did all, will do all, and, He always does it all for His sheep, those who have called on Him, they are 'few,' but, there are many that want to come to Him, they ARE CALLED, but.....................ONLY a 'few' become 'chosen.

To follow Christ, to follow Christ, that is way we are to live our life. Not so easy for many, but, for a few, ahhhhhh, yes, believe on Him, be thankful, be rejoicing, be praying that you ARE one one of the 'few' who have ANSWERED THE CALL AND BECOME 'CHOSEN'

 

[Elin]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

.....for that would be a lie. And, God can NOT lie !

This, theretofore, explains the 'many are called, but few are chosen' verse well. God wants every one to come to repentance, to not 'perish,' just as Peter states in his 2nd epistle, '...that none should perish.' But, God knows some will not choose Him, so to say that ALL will be called is wrong, because God KNOWS not to call those who are NOT going to choose Him. This latter sentence is VERY incredible. Very

God KNOWS who will choose Him, they ARE the called. Does this make sense

There are two calls:
the general call to all who hear the gospel (Mk 1:16; Mt 12:14),

and the effective call to the elect (Ro 8:30; 11:7) with grace to believe accompanying the call (Jn 6:65; Eph 1:10-11, 2:8-9).

So in the sense of the general call, God does call all.

but in the sense of the effective call, God does not call all.

 

[Elin]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

Matt. 22:10“Those slaves went out into the streets and gathered together all they found, both evil and good; and the wedding hall was filled with dinner guests. 11“But when the king came in to look over the dinner guests, he saw a man there who was not dressed in wedding clothes, 12and he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without wedding clothes?’ And the man was speechless. 13“Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, and throw him into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14“For many are called, but few are chosen.”

Both evil and good people are invited to the wedding feast for the King's Son. But some do not really follow the Master in the way they should, they don't put on the wedding garments. Look at Rev. 19:7b

For the wedding of the Lamb has come,
and his bride has made herself ready.
8Fine linen, bright and clean,
was given her to wear.”
(Fine linen stands for the righteous acts of God’s holy people.)

This man has been invited to the kingdom, invited to the feast, and the King calls him "Friend," but instead of enjoying the feast, he's bound, put in the relative darkness outside the feast, and bemoans his status.

Why? For many are called, but few are chosen.

Yes, their failure to follow (obey) the Master reveals a counterfeit faith, which does not save.

So:

1) All are called.

2) Only the chosen few respond with the gift of true faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3)
freely given by the grace of God (Eph 2:8-9).

3) Those who were cast into the outer darkness responded with counterfeit faith.

 

[Elin]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

Yes, it's a 'great' verse. It's understandable, but ONLY when one realizes that God is all and all. He knows all and is all. He does all, did all, will do all, and, He always does it all for His sheep, those who have called on Him, they are 'few,' but, there are many that want to come to Him, they ARE CALLED, but.....................ONLY a 'few' become 'chosen.

To follow Christ, to follow Christ, that is way we are to live our life. Not so easy for many, but, for a few, ahhhhhh, yes, believe on Him, be thankful, be rejoicing, be praying that you ARE one one of the 'few' who have ANSWERED THE CALL AND BECOME 'CHOSEN'

However, the NT presents it in the reverse order:

Those who are chosen answer the call,
not: those who answer the call are chosen.

God foreknew-->predestined (chosen)-->called-->justified (Ro 8:29-30).

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

, because God KNOWS not to call those who are NOT going to choose Him.

Are you saying God does not give his word to people who will reject him? Thats how I read it.

I think youre confusing the words called and chosen. I believe when the bible says the gospel will be preached to all the earth:

Mat 24:[SUP]14 [/SUP]And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come


Rev 14:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.


This proves Matthew 24 even truer. The gospel is preached to the world, then the end come.

The same in Rev 14, the angel has the everlasting gospel to preach unto every nation etc, then the hour of his judgment has come.

Point being, if the gospel is preached to the whole world, i believe what the bible says. Now, Jesus even says in the parable:


Mat 22:[SUP]3 [/SUP]And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.


He even calls again:


[SUP]4 [/SUP]Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:


They went on their merry way, to their homes and merchandise, their toys.


Hes calling people and they are not coming. God calls people no matter what they are going to say. He doesnt call ONLY the ones who will accept, as you stated. He called people right there, and they did not choose him. Of course God knows before hand who dont want to believe, that does not mean he doesnt call those who wont choose, as you stated.

So what are you talking about?

 

[GreenNnice]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

If you look at another thread of mine titled, "Does 'everything' mean 'everyone,' as far as WHO can be saved? Who IS saved? Are you? ,"

Christ peeples, you will see how the Lord leads me to answer ALL of you here, His way for me to express my thoughts to YOU

Post #22 : The answer I was looking for, and, i don't know if some of you are afraid of me, I HOPE NOT, the Lord leads, but, I will be very staunch in appearance for showing His will to others for OUR lives, which brings me to my answer, which comes, not so coincidentally, from the opening post Colossians verses.

The 'all things' and 'things' and 'everything' and, etc, etc. words of 'inclusion by God's inspired words from brother, Paul, ALL get referenced later on to the word 'you.'


That settles it. YOU can be saved, if you are 'thing,' then, YOU are included in His coming Kingdom invitation, that gives us our HOPE of salvation, which is ONLY in Him, through faith, by grace, a FREE gift of God, that is NOT of ourselves.

Simple. Wasn't a trick question whatsoever 'Course, I NEVER ask rhetorical or trick questions, do I The Lord leads

Link: http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...everyone-far-who-can-saved-who-saved-you.html

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

What you implied does not jive with scripture, the book and chapter you are quoting go against what you are saying, taking the verse out of context.

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

You completely disregarded what I asked, and pointed me to another thread. The exact same thing a pastor did to me after i showed him that the rapture was AFTER the tribulation; he referenced me to another pastor.

 

[GreenNnice]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

I am simply saying, HeisLord, that we do NOT know God's thoughts or His ways; I am not dodging the question at all.
None of us knows what God has planned for our lives, only Him; we human things THINK we know a lot of the time, but, we don't know. This applies to salvation, too. On that note, you NEED to THINK you are saved, to have that hope of salvation obtained, just as Scripture states. Our faith is to be in Christ who is our hope and our salvation.

But, it is true, only a 'few' will be chosen from the 'many' who are 'called,' per Scripture.

What do you want me to say, then, if this does not make sense, brother ?

The bible will be preached to all the Earth, too, as you say. Absolutely, that's the Truth, but, God already knows who will choose Him from the many He calls.

How many, green? "Few."

 

[ChristIsLord229]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

I am simply saying, HeisLord, that we do NOT know God's thoughts or His ways; I am not dodging the question at all.
None of us knows what God has planned for our lives, only Him; we human things THINK we know a lot of the time, but, we don't know. This applies to salvation, too. On that note, you NEED to THINK you are saved, to have that hope of salvation obtained, just as Scripture states. Our faith is to be in Christ who is our hope and our salvation.

But, it is true, only a 'few' will be chosen from the 'many' who are 'called,' per Scripture.

What do you want me to say, then, if this does not make sense, brother ?

The bible will be preached to all the Earth, too, as you say. Absolutely, that's the Truth, but, God already knows who will choose Him from the many He calls.

How many, green? "Few."

Another one who said, we cannot know God. =[ Oh lord this site.

 

[GreenNnice]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

Another one who said, we cannot know God. =[ Oh lord this site.

No, we absolutely can know God, He wants us to know Him, in a personal relationship, through FAITH


What i said was that we do not know His thoughts or His ways, they are different than ours, higher than ours.


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sORRY, BRO, wish I could explain it better, maybe, someone else will come on here and help you out and, sorry, too, that your question on The Rapture was not answered and that discouraged you.

Hey, this is what I always say: Humans will let you down, they don't know the answers. Even with The Spirit in me, which He is, I absolutely say wrong things. I am as human as they come. His Spirit is in MY FLESH. I'm always praying that His Spirit in me gives my spirit strength to rebuke my flesh which Satan wants me to follow, and, that I choose His leading, His calling for my life.

But, the Lord, He is who will NEVER EVER NEVER let you down. You may THINK He is (letting you down), but, rest assuredly, He is not, He is just showing you a different way that is not your way and is likely different from how you thought the answer would come.

Blessings, bro, thanks for the probing questions and thoughts

 

[posthuman]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

i think this belongs in this thread:

Praise befits you, our God, in Zion;
to you our vows will be fulfilled.
You who answer prayer,
to you all people will come.
When we were overwhelmed by sins,
you forgave our transgressions.
Blessed are those you choose
and bring near to live in your courts!
We are filled with the good things of your house,
of your holy temple.
​

Psalm 65:1-4​

 

[weakness]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

However, the NT presents it in the reverse order:

Those who are chosen answer the call,
not: those who answer the call are chosen.

God foreknew-->predestined (chosen)-->called-->justified (Ro 8:29-30).[/QUOTEGods call with faith or God predestined those in Christ, That"s were the predestination is. We are all chosen in Christ. And we make the choice to accept Gods call with faith or with unbelief.That is our free will that is our choice. The ability to choose or have faith is Gods plan and by Gods grace.But we all have (at least initially) the free will to choose, else it would not be love ,on Gods part or on ours.After much long suffering by God we can be hardened. Our eyes will not see and our hearts will be darkened,but I nor anybody else but the Father knows that point.I know Gods not to crazy about hypocrisy though or judging and not shewing mercy either. We can trust God to make the right decision. We are predestined out side of Christ too, but it not to spend eternity with Him!!!

 

[chatter23]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

Another one who said, we cannot know God. =[ Oh lord this site.

You have to know the truth about yourself as God sees you in order to know God and how He works in your life.

 

[GreenNnice]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

i think this belongs in this thread:

Praise befits you, our God, in Zion;
to you our vows will be fulfilled.
You who answer prayer,
to you all people will come.
When we were overwhelmed by sins,
you forgave our transgressions.
Blessed are those you choose
and bring near to live in your courts!
We are filled with the good things of your house,
of your holy temple.
​

Psalm 65:1-4​

Your bible verse you mention reminds me of this song, postinghuman

I will enter His gates with thanksgiving in my heart.
I will enter His courts with pra-A-ise.
I will say this is the day that the Lord hath made.
I will rejoice, for He has made me glad.

He has made me glad. He has made me glad.
I will rejoice, for He has made me gla-a-AD.

He has made me glad. He has made me glad.
I will rejoice, for He has made me glad.



Yes, He chooses us.

I think the best question to ask ourselves is this : WHY has He chosen someone?

They've seen Him, right, God's made Himself known to them, convicted them of the sin that's in their life and how He can free them of it, forever.

 

[GreenNnice]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

However, the NT presents it in the reverse order:

Those who are chosen answer the call,
not: those who answer the call are chosen.

God foreknew-->predestined (chosen)-->called-->justified (Ro 8:29-30).

Belief-->Faith--Salvation


El, the question we must understand is that there must be belief. That is the action before the reaction of Christ, which ALREADY, yes, did start with His action to choose us


God is not the author of confusion. Coming to Him is simple. Believe in Him. Faith in His grace given us freely by His Son dying on the cross. Salvation.

That is The Gospel message.

John 3:16
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life."

Believing in Him takes faith, but, once that's done, Christ comes into us, and, salvation is given by God as we continue to learn more of His ways, as directed by the Holy Spirit, who is inside us, a seal of our inheritance and hope of salvation.

 

[konroh]

Re: "Many are called, few are chosen" God can't say, 'all are called,' for that is A

1) All are called.

Actually the text in Matt. 22 says "Many are called." The specific reference is that many are called to the marriage feast of the Father for the Son (the Marriage Feast of the Lamb?).

2) Only the chosen few respond with the gift of true faith (Php 1:29; 2Pe 1:1; Ac 18:27; Ro 12:3)
freely given by the grace of God (Eph 2:8-9).

Actually the text says only the chosen have put on the wedding garments and are approved.
Php 1:29 says "we have been granted (literally "graced) [with the opportunity] not only to believe in Him, but also to suffer for His sake."
2 Pe 1:1 "to those who through the righteousness of the Lord Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours" God has given the righteousness, the faith has been received both by regeneration and by choice
Acts 18:27 "those who had believed by grace" People believe, God gives grace
Rom. 12:3 "in accordance with the measure of faith God has given you" This passage is talking to believers already and is saying that some believers have a special gift of faith. Paul lists this as one of the spiritual gifts in 1 Cor. 12
Eph 2:8-9 "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves." The "this" in the Greek is neuter, and can in no way refer only to the faith, or to the grace, because both are feminine nouns in the Greek. It refers to the whole process, being saved by grace (God's part) through faith (our part).

3) Those who were cast into the outer darkness responded with counterfeit faith.

Those who were cast into the outer darkness were invited to the feast, called a "friend" by the King, but were punished for their lack of propriety in not wearing a wedding garment and were limited in some way ("bound") and put in the relative darkness outside where they were sorrowful for their actions.
Will there be believers who have not prepared for heaven, who don't have an answer for their lack of sense, who will have their "works burned up," who will be sorrowful that they didn't do more for the Master and prepare more? Yes.