SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!

[know1]

yes.

Jesus was showing how all men are sinful and unworthy of heaven.
We are no longer viewed by our own righteousness, but by Christ's.
Our sin is washed in the Blood.

He was speaking to people who didn't (yet) believe in Him as Savior and Lord.
For the Believers, 'nothing ever could separate us now'.


That does not mean that we are free to not forgive. We forgive out of the forgiveness we've been shown, not out of fear of hell, but out of love: the love He first showed us

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
I believe the above verse is present tense, and the word, 'Father' indicates the people Jesus is speaking to are His children.


So are there no consequences to this lack of forgiveness from God? Why are we told to repent and confess our sins.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

 

[ABMF]

To teach salvation based upon your own works is heretical!....

1. NOT BY WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS WHICH WE HAVE DONE, BUT ACCORDING TO HIS MERCY HAS HE SAVED US
2. IN THE GRACE YOU ARE, HAVING BEEN SAVED OUT OF FAITH, NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST
3. IF YOU BELIEVE WITH YOUR MIND AND CONFESS WITH YOUR MOUTH....THOU SHALT BE SAVED!
4. Galatians chapters 1, 3--->Faith plus works =false heretical doctrine with no ability to save!
5. Romans 8:1 NO CONDEMNATION FOR THOSE WHO ARE IN CHRIST---LAST PART OF VERSE ADDED AND NOT IN ORIGINAL TEXT
6. DAVID AND ABRAHAM--->DESCRIBE ACURATELY THAT GRACE AND SALVATION AND RIGHTEOUSNESS IMPUTED UNTO MAN WITHOUT THE DEEDS OF THE LAW<----WORKS
7. NUMEROUS SCRIPTURES THAT POINT ONLY TO FAITH (BELIEF) FOR TOTAL SALVATION

I hope you unbelievers have enough works and that your works exceed the PHARISEES in righteousness and that you are not 1 work short.....NO HOPE OR ASSURANCE IN WORKS!

Do you speak in the heavenly prayer language of tongues?

 

[LT]

Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.
I believe the above verse is present tense, and the word, 'Father' indicates the people Jesus is speaking to are His children.


So are there no consequences to this lack of forgiveness from God? Why are we told to repent and confess our sins.
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

of course there are consequences! salvation is just not one of them.

 

[know1]

There is no way for anyone to completely comply with any law enough to get them into heaven.

Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
What about the law of faith?

 

[know1]

so are you trying to tell me that if you forgive, this will grant you forgiveness of sin?

No sir, I am not trying to tell you that, not in the least. The word of God did. I just asked if forgiveness was considered a work.

people forgive ohters yet reject christ, are they going to heaven?

If one rejects Christ, what does it matter whether they forgive or not? If they don't have Christ they don't have life.
1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

 

[danalee]

That he who abides in him will be completed, in faith, yet, in the body that was suffered unto us for our sins. We are incomplete in works and faith without the cross.

 

[know1]

of course there are consequences! salvation is just not one of them.

Any bad ones?

 

[danalee]

Rom 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
Rom 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.
What about the law of faith?

Sorry, repost:


That he who abides in him will be completed, in faith, yet, in the body that was suffered unto us for our sins. We are incomplete in works and faith without the cross.

 

[TaylorTG]

Moses had to have faith in the Lord in order to perform the good works that strengthened the Israelite's faith in God and his promises.
[HR][/HR]

Without Moses's faith throughout the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, he would have never been able to endure the rebellious wimps...uh I mean... Israelites.

Without Moses's good works throughout the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, the faith of the traveling Israelites would have eroded before they reached the land flowing with milk and honey.



[HR][/HR]



Yes. Faith empowers us to perform works that are truly beneficial to the kingdom of God. These works will then strengthen our faith and the faith of others.

Our faith does not cause, it allows. It is the empowering force which enables us to do it

Please don't talk like that.

I have been washed completely. There is no partial washing, it is completely done by the HS (titus 3: 5)

If your still trying to wash yourself. your not even partially clean, your still a filthy sinner still doomed to destruction

[HR][/HR]



Yes sir. I agree 100%. Our faith in the Lord empowers us to be true Christians, not only in the mind, but also in the body. In the end, God's grace gave us the means to accomplish achievements that are pleasing to him/it.

The Bible says that we are not saved by works but it is a gift of God.

The Bible says that faith without works is dead,so we have to have works to have faith activated in our life to be saved.

The Bible says we are not saved by works.


When the Bible says we are not saved by works it means we are not saved by any works according to the flesh.

When the Bible says we have to have works to have saving faith it means we have to have works according to the Holy Spirit.

We have to have works of the Holy Spirit to have faith activated in our life to be saved,which the Bible says that faith alone cannot save you and Abraham was justified by works.

Anything we try to do according to the flesh to get to heaven will save us but only by confessing Christ and doing works of the Spirit which the Bible says we are prepared unto all good works.



Not saved by works according to the flesh apart from Christ.

Saved by works according to the Holy Spirit.



Not saved by works by the flesh.

Saved by works by the Holy Spirit.

That way God gets the glory.

It is as simple as that.

 

[LT]

Any bad ones?

yes!
God is active in the world, and disciplines those He loves.
Fear the Discipline of your Heavenly Father.

 

[danalee]

Moses had to have faith in the Lord in order to perform the good works that strengthened the Israelite's faith in God and his promises.
[HR][/HR]

Without Moses's faith throughout the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, he would have never been able to endure the rebellious wimps...uh I mean... Israelites.

Without Moses's good works throughout the books of Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy, the faith of the traveling Israelites would have eroded before they reached the land flowing with milk and honey.



[HR][/HR]



Yes. Faith empowers us to perform works that are truly beneficial to the kingdom of God. These works will then strengthen our faith and the faith of others.




Please don't talk like that.



[HR][/HR]



Yes sir. I agree 100%. Our faith in the Lord empowers us to be true Christians, not only in the mind, but also in the body. In the end, God's grace gave us the means to accomplish achievements that are pleasing to him/it.

And that Grace is by Jesus Christ our Lord.

 

[know1]

Sorry, repost:


That he who abides in him will be completed, in faith, yet, in the body that was suffered unto us for our sins. We are incomplete in works and faith without the cross.

No prob.
Amen!
However, faith does operate under a type of law. Not a moral ethical law, as the ten commandment, but an indiscriminate, unbiased, perpetual law that works the same, every time, for everyone.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No sir, I am not trying to tell you that, not in the least. The word of God did. I just asked if forgiveness was considered a work.

Yes a work of God

You can not forgive anyone unless you first have been forgiven for you would not have the capacity to do so.

If one rejects Christ, what does it matter whether they forgive or not? If they don't have Christ they don't have life.

1Jn 5:12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

you do understand that Jesus is saying if you NEVER forgive anyone. Niether will god forgive you. Are you trying to tell me a person who has been forgiven By God and experienced that forgiveness would NEVER forgive anyone?

 

[know1]

yes!
God is active in the world, and disciplines those He loves.
Fear the Discipline of your Heavenly Father.

Thank you sir.
So if a Christian were to refuse forgiveness, there will be consequences, right?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

 

[LT]

Thank you sir.
So if a Christian were to refuse forgiveness, there will be consequences, right?
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.

again, I thought you were dispensational?! rightly divide that, good sir.

 

[know1]

[/COLOR]Yes a work of God

You can not forgive anyone unless you first have been forgiven for you would not have the capacity to do so.

When I think back to the time before my salvation, I remember when I forgave many people that did me wrong. I was capable then and had the capacity to do so.

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you do understand that Jesus is saying if you NEVER forgive anyone. Niether will god forgive you. Are you trying to tell me a person who has been forgiven By God and experienced that forgiveness would NEVER forgive anyone?

Yes, I understand it to mean as long as you hold it against that person, even if one refuses to forgive someone on their death bed. I believe it to be an unpardonable sin, if you take it to the grave with you.
Yes, I have heard of more than one person that was a Christian, who refused to forgive someone of some wrong they did to them, and I personally know one of them, whom I loved dearly. It was my mother, to be more precise.

 

[know1]

again, I thought you were dispensational?! rightly divide that, good sir.

Okay, I view that to mean that you put a label on me that was contrary to your liking, and proceeded to fire your shots of disapproval.
Did I get that right?
I personally don't know about this dispensational thing you are talking about. I just believe what I have been taught. And since I don't go to church, it has not been by man, for the most part. I pray, seek God, read, and meditate on His word, and what I get, I believe it to be of God. If I don't know, or don't know fully, I just keep seeking God with the purest heart I know. If I get it wrong and I see the same, I repent, and change what I believe. I have done it more than ones on this forum.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When I think back to the time before my salvation, I remember when I forgave many people that did me wrong. I was capable then and had the capacity to do so.

So you did good before you were saved? God said you could not do good before you were saved. Did God lie?

Yes, I understand it to mean as long as you hold it against that person, even if one refuses to forgive someone on their death bed. I believe it to be an unpardonable sin, if you take it to the grave with you.
Yes, I have heard of more than one person that was a Christian, who refused to forgive someone of some wrong they did to them, and I personally know one of them, whom I loved dearly. It was my mother, to be more precise.

Again, Never forgive anyone, ever.

You again do not understand.

 

[Stephen63]

None of those have anything to do with saving us as salvation is by faith through grace....You can continue to post scriptures out of context to prove you works for salvation and they will still be out of context and wrong.....

IN THE GRACE YOU ARE HAVING BEEN SAVED OUT OF FAITH and that NOT OF YOURSELVES IT IS THE GIFT OF GOD AND NOT OF WORKS LEST ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST....

JESUS+WORKS for salvation or to keep salvation=HELL/LAKE OF FIRE as it is a gospel of a DIFFERENT KIND and has NO POWER TO SAVE and is double CURSED to HELL!

How many of these will you cry against? How can you not see? How can you refuse these? I'll tell you how: with excuses & accusations. All you will do is post & tell how wrong I am & try against all odds to make me look wrong. But you won't have a leg to stand on. Who (besides EG) will believe you now?
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I told you he would.......

 

[LT]

Okay, I view that to mean that you put a label on me that was contrary to your liking, and proceeded to fire your shots of disapproval.
Did I get that right?
I personally don't know about this dispensational thing you are talking about. I just believe what I have been taught. And since I don't go to church, it has not been by man, for the most part. I pray, seek God, read, and meditate on His word, and what I get, I believe it to be of God. If I don't know, or don't know fully, I just keep seeking God with the purest heart I know. If I get it wrong and I see the same, I repent, and change what I believe. I have done it more than ones on this forum.

i must have had the wrong guy. 'dispensational' is a theology type. like how 'Reformed' or 'Pentecostal' are groups.

It was not a jab at you really, i thought you had made a mistake. but i see that you did not, and intended what you posted.

I respect that you have the ability to recognize being in the wrong. So many of us have a hard time with that.
I hope and pray that you do join yourself to a local church body. We are commanded to not forsake the gathering together.