SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!
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Brother your wrong and seem to be unable to distinguish between daily fellowship and son ship....eternal Justification and Salvation of the Spirit is found in the completed work of Jesus on the cross and his faith...It is the spirit that is born again, does not sin, cannot sin, is eternally sealed and transposed into the Kingdom of the dear Son.....
The mind and body must be brought on line and under the word of God so as to SANCTIFY AND JUSTIFY OUR DAILY LIVES AND HOW WE LIVE BEFORE GOD.....
Your theology is what is breaking the harmony of scriptures mi amigo!
The mind and body must be brought on line and under the word of God so as to SANCTIFY AND JUSTIFY OUR DAILY LIVES AND HOW WE LIVE BEFORE GOD.....
Your theology is what is breaking the harmony of scriptures mi amigo!
So verse 10 suggest it is possible to fall and you have to make your election and calling sure by doing these things. Verse 11 suggest doing these things opens an entrance for you into the eternal kingdom
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
Fall has nothing to do with salvation as the word implies to be tripped up and or stumble in your walk....
Those who are faithful and do the things listed with have a GRANDER entrance into the Kingdom of God as opposed to one who is not as faithful....
Again, these have nothing to do with salvation....
Those who are faithful and do the things listed with have a GRANDER entrance into the Kingdom of God as opposed to one who is not as faithful....
Again, these have nothing to do with salvation....
But it has everything to do with eternal life which is the gift of God
are you listening to yourself man ...you are writing your own gospel
[h=3]Romans 5:9-11[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Much more then, being now(present) justified by his blood, we shall (future) be saved from wrath through him.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, when we were enemies, we were(past) reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being(present) reconciled, we shall(future) be saved by his life.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now(present) received the atonement.
Titus 1
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.
Make your election and calling sure it is called obedience to God
Col 3
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
[SUP]17[/SUP]And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
Col 3
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Put on therefore, as the elect of God, holy and beloved, bowels of mercies, kindness, humbleness of mind, meekness, longsuffering;
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Forbearing one another, and forgiving one another, if any man have a quarrel against any: even as Christ forgave you, so also do ye.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And above all these things put on charity, which is the bond of perfectness.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to the which also ye are called in one body; and be ye thankful.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
[SUP]17[/SUP]And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God and the Father by him.
You can continue to misquote scripture all day long and it will not change the fact that salvation is a present reality that has been given past tense to all who believe...Instead of quoting King Jim or some other translation I suggest a study of Greek and the Aorist tense verb as found applied in John 3:16...IS HAVING ETERNAL LIFE.....it seems obvious you and your heretical buddies do not understand nor comprehend the word ETERNAL.....You might try actually TRUSTING JESUS to actually get a NEW BIRTH as a lost man cannot understand the word which you have adequately proven by your lack of understand when it comes to eternal life, salvation and justification all of which are a present current continuing state based upon the complete perfect faith of Christ.....
It is funny that you use scriptures given to people who are already saved so as to try and get them saved again...I guess it is because you believe you can loose your salvation and if so....How many times have you been lost and or lost your salvation.....?
It is funny that you use scriptures given to people who are already saved so as to try and get them saved again...I guess it is because you believe you can loose your salvation and if so....How many times have you been lost and or lost your salvation.....?
I count it joy to be considered a fool for Christ's sake but...What is my understanding , what is my wisdom, what is my study of the Greek, they mean nothing to me. All these things come to nought because the proof of God in us is
1 Cor 13
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth:
1 Peter 1
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
James 1
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
1 Cor 13
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil;
[SUP]6 [/SUP]Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Charity never faileth:
1 Peter 1
[SUP]22 [/SUP]Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
James 1
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls.
[SUP]22 [/SUP]But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
[SUP]23 [/SUP]For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.