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I don't understand this Preterist view of Jesus 'returned in 70AD'.
Does that mean He is going to 'return' again in the future, this time in the flesh?
If not, then where is He now, where I can go see Him?
Or are the Preterites saying 'He did not return in 70AD, He only 'spiritually visited' us in 70AD? Doesn't that happen all the time?
Does that mean He is going to 'return' again in the future, this time in the flesh?
If not, then where is He now, where I can go see Him?
Or are the Preterites saying 'He did not return in 70AD, He only 'spiritually visited' us in 70AD? Doesn't that happen all the time?
Who is Jesus speaking to in these verses?
Matt 28:18-20
“All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Mark 16:15-18
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. [SUP]16 [/SUP]He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. [SUP]17 [/SUP]These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
Luke 24:44-53
Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” [SUP]45 [/SUP]Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, [SUP]46 [/SUP]and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, [SUP]47 [/SUP]and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. [SUP]48 [/SUP]You are witnesses of these things. [SUP]49 [/SUP]And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”[SUP]50 [/SUP]And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them. [SUP]51 [/SUP]While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven. [SUP]52 [/SUP]And they, after worshiping Him, returned to Jerusalem with great joy, [SUP]53 [/SUP]and were continually in the temple praising God.
Acts 1:7-8
“It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”
What does Paul say here?
Romans 10:16-22
[SUP]16 [/SUP]However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” [SUP]17 [/SUP]So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says,
“I will make you jealous by that which is not a nation,
By a nation without understanding will I anger you.”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I was found by those who did not seek Me,
I became manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.”
The Great Commission was given to the apostles and they completed it! I do not understand everything, but I am sure of this.
Matt 28:18-20
“All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.”
Mark 16:15-18
And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation. [SUP]16 [/SUP]He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. [SUP]17 [/SUP]These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; [SUP]18 [/SUP]they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.”
Luke 24:44-53
Now He said to them, “These are My words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things which are written about Me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” [SUP]45 [/SUP]Then He opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, [SUP]46 [/SUP]and He said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ would suffer and rise again from the dead the third day, [SUP]47 [/SUP]and that repentance for forgiveness of sins would be proclaimed in His name to all the nations, beginning from Jerusalem. [SUP]48 [/SUP]You are witnesses of these things. [SUP]49 [/SUP]And behold, I am sending forth the promise of My Father upon you; but you are to stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.”[SUP]50 [/SUP]And He led them out as far as Bethany, and He lifted up His hands and blessed them. [SUP]51 [/SUP]While He was blessing them, He parted from them and was carried up into heaven. [SUP]52 [/SUP]And they, after worshiping Him, returned to Jerusalem with great joy, [SUP]53 [/SUP]and were continually in the temple praising God.
Acts 1:7-8
“It is not for you to know times or epochs which the Father has fixed by His own authority;
[SUP]8 [/SUP]but you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be My witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and even to the remotest part of the earth.”
What does Paul say here?
Romans 10:16-22
[SUP]16 [/SUP]However, they did not all heed the good news; for Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed our report?” [SUP]17 [/SUP]So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But I say, surely they have never heard, have they? Indeed they have;
“Their voice has gone out into all the earth,
And their words to the ends of the world.”
[SUP]19 [/SUP]But I say, surely Israel did not know, did they? First Moses says,
“I will make you jealous by that which is not a nation,
By a nation without understanding will I anger you.”
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And Isaiah is very bold and says,
“I was found by those who did not seek Me,
I became manifest to those who did not ask for Me.”
[SUP]21 [/SUP]But as for Israel He says, “All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people.”
The Great Commission was given to the apostles and they completed it! I do not understand everything, but I am sure of this.
R
well the 'full preterists' believe jesus spiritually returned in AD 70 and that there will -not- be another return...
the partial preterists believe that jesus 'came in judgement' in AD 70...and that there will be a -physical- second coming at some point in the future...
i have pointed out before that the partial preterists are doing practically the same thing the pre tribulation rapture people do...saying 'jesus comes at this time...but it doesn't really count as his second coming...so we still have to wait for his second coming after that'...in other words both pre tribulation rapture believers and partial preterists believe in 'two and a half' comings of christ...
the partial preterists believe that jesus 'came in judgement' in AD 70...and that there will be a -physical- second coming at some point in the future...
i have pointed out before that the partial preterists are doing practically the same thing the pre tribulation rapture people do...saying 'jesus comes at this time...but it doesn't really count as his second coming...so we still have to wait for his second coming after that'...in other words both pre tribulation rapture believers and partial preterists believe in 'two and a half' comings of christ...
Are you simply repeating to us what your church has told you? It can be difficult to shed the theology fed to you over time. Already you are doubting what you are being taught, correct about the 1000 years. The 1000 year reign is troubling you becuase indeed it does not fit in with Peterist views, amongst others.
As I said in my lengthy toungue in cheek post previous to this, once you find that one bit doesn't fit, because it is on the whole wrong, many other aspects of the Bible also become issues which do not fit , so you have to work hard, often cherry picking and taking out of context other verses, even placing a emphasis that verses which are clearly talking about the physical existence on earth are some how spiritual and metaphors.
Prophecies of Daniel have been over looked for thousands of years, we are told they would be sealed, but in these days those prophecies are becoming clearer as to how they will come about. Combine these with revelation, it is hard work yes, but they all point to a re-building of the nation of Israel, not a spiritual nation and certainly not a replacement of the Christian church as Israel. In 1948 we see Israel born again, I have posted a number of times, along with other people , that the birth of this current Israel falls in perfectly with the ending of the lengthy punishment for rejecting and disobeying God after the captivity in Babylon ended. but that's another study.
Other events, such as the world watching the two witnesses die in the street then rise again, well long before TV and film, how did people get around that , it must be spiritual and supernatural! If you read some commentries about how this comes about it is quite incredible, however some take the humble view and say "I have no idea how this will happen, but I trust God something will happen which will make this possible" but of course today just about everyone in the world has access to a television which of course shows global events live!
Is Christ sitting on the throne of David in the Temple in Jeruselem? NO. Is Christ ruling over the nations with the nations obeying him? NO Has Satan been locked up with no sin in the world? NO. These are the things we are told about when the 1000 year rule is in place. It has not yet happened.
The 1000 year rule comes after the 7 years rule of the Anti-Christ, where people will be given choice to take The Mark, which problerbly include a physical mark of somesort, but also a spiritual mark! there you can have something spiritual! IF humans taking a Spiritual mark are deemed to be corrupted beyond saving, then it sounds like it is also on a spiritual we are marked, even DNA change, but this is another topic again.
The Anti-Christ will be seen as a the returing Great Prophet in Islam and Jesus Christ by the JEWs, one way to bring this about is to broker an agreement where the Muslims take control of Jeruselm but allow the Jews to build their temple on mount. It is this temple, which is literly ready to built with most parts in storage, which will see The Anti-Christ defile, Jews will then know he is not the Messiah, must resist Monty Python Holy Grail quotes.
Anti-CHrist will go on rampage, declare war on the Jews and nearly wipe them out, remenants of the Jews will run away to Petra, another good study and why they would be safe in these caves and valley, all to do with EMP and lack of natural resources. It is this time Christ will return.
DO a little study as to how Christ will return, he will come as he left, as in a miraculous way, descending from the sky, he will be riding a white horse, again do study on symbolic meaning of riding a white horse, then compare it to why Christ chose a Donkey to enter the city at Passover before his death. Christ will be at a head of an huge army. defeats Satan then rules 1000 years brining perfect peace and sin free life on earth until Satan is let out and we see final battle of Armageddon.
Final Question Has anyone recorded a huge army passing over them in the sky with Christ riding on a White Horse at the head of it to fight a huge battle over Jerusalem ? Has this battle taken place yet? NO!
As I said in my lengthy toungue in cheek post previous to this, once you find that one bit doesn't fit, because it is on the whole wrong, many other aspects of the Bible also become issues which do not fit , so you have to work hard, often cherry picking and taking out of context other verses, even placing a emphasis that verses which are clearly talking about the physical existence on earth are some how spiritual and metaphors.
Prophecies of Daniel have been over looked for thousands of years, we are told they would be sealed, but in these days those prophecies are becoming clearer as to how they will come about. Combine these with revelation, it is hard work yes, but they all point to a re-building of the nation of Israel, not a spiritual nation and certainly not a replacement of the Christian church as Israel. In 1948 we see Israel born again, I have posted a number of times, along with other people , that the birth of this current Israel falls in perfectly with the ending of the lengthy punishment for rejecting and disobeying God after the captivity in Babylon ended. but that's another study.
Other events, such as the world watching the two witnesses die in the street then rise again, well long before TV and film, how did people get around that , it must be spiritual and supernatural! If you read some commentries about how this comes about it is quite incredible, however some take the humble view and say "I have no idea how this will happen, but I trust God something will happen which will make this possible" but of course today just about everyone in the world has access to a television which of course shows global events live!
Is Christ sitting on the throne of David in the Temple in Jeruselem? NO. Is Christ ruling over the nations with the nations obeying him? NO Has Satan been locked up with no sin in the world? NO. These are the things we are told about when the 1000 year rule is in place. It has not yet happened.
The 1000 year rule comes after the 7 years rule of the Anti-Christ, where people will be given choice to take The Mark, which problerbly include a physical mark of somesort, but also a spiritual mark! there you can have something spiritual! IF humans taking a Spiritual mark are deemed to be corrupted beyond saving, then it sounds like it is also on a spiritual we are marked, even DNA change, but this is another topic again.
The Anti-Christ will be seen as a the returing Great Prophet in Islam and Jesus Christ by the JEWs, one way to bring this about is to broker an agreement where the Muslims take control of Jeruselm but allow the Jews to build their temple on mount. It is this temple, which is literly ready to built with most parts in storage, which will see The Anti-Christ defile, Jews will then know he is not the Messiah, must resist Monty Python Holy Grail quotes.
Anti-CHrist will go on rampage, declare war on the Jews and nearly wipe them out, remenants of the Jews will run away to Petra, another good study and why they would be safe in these caves and valley, all to do with EMP and lack of natural resources. It is this time Christ will return.
DO a little study as to how Christ will return, he will come as he left, as in a miraculous way, descending from the sky, he will be riding a white horse, again do study on symbolic meaning of riding a white horse, then compare it to why Christ chose a Donkey to enter the city at Passover before his death. Christ will be at a head of an huge army. defeats Satan then rules 1000 years brining perfect peace and sin free life on earth until Satan is let out and we see final battle of Armageddon.
Final Question Has anyone recorded a huge army passing over them in the sky with Christ riding on a White Horse at the head of it to fight a huge battle over Jerusalem ? Has this battle taken place yet? NO!
T
Came in Judgment, as in the Great Judgment? Because I believe much of Revelation is in our past but that the last few chapters or so are still to come eg. the Great Judgment, the New Heavens and the New Earth. That doesn't make me a Preterist, does it? I don't really understand the terms well enough to know what's going on.
Yes Tintin, we do like to complicate things. I see so much fall out over end time prophecy, it is ridiculous, does these mean I have to call you a heretic, false teacher and agent of Satan and never speak to you again? NO OF COURSE NOT! But it is incredible how many Christians end up divided because of this, I have seen people driven out of other churches simply because of their belief in timing of The Rapture. Satan rubs his hands in glee.
Best way to create a lie is to take an existing truth and just change a couple of facts and twist things about, that is what Satan is up to. It would be nice if all Christians could just say "Ok this is how I interpret prophecy" we all agree to disagree and do not think any worse of each other and one day we will know the truth. However as it stands division and hatred is spread amongst Christians, whith lip service being paid "Oh I do love you really", behind clenched teeth.
I Also say that if someone wishes to hold to a certain view, do not bury head in sand, have the strength to accept they might be wrong, in this case the things they see taking place in the world will not go unnoticed, something which might have happened with head buried in sand by being in total denial about those events as they do not fit in with their theology and interpretation.
Best way to create a lie is to take an existing truth and just change a couple of facts and twist things about, that is what Satan is up to. It would be nice if all Christians could just say "Ok this is how I interpret prophecy" we all agree to disagree and do not think any worse of each other and one day we will know the truth. However as it stands division and hatred is spread amongst Christians, whith lip service being paid "Oh I do love you really", behind clenched teeth.
I Also say that if someone wishes to hold to a certain view, do not bury head in sand, have the strength to accept they might be wrong, in this case the things they see taking place in the world will not go unnoticed, something which might have happened with head buried in sand by being in total denial about those events as they do not fit in with their theology and interpretation.
T
How odd! In the Australian church, at least from what I've experienced, end time prophecies are rarely discussed and the book of Revelation seems to be one of those generally not given much airtime in sermons/addresses. Of course, this has some pros but it probably needs a little more of a focus. In the Australian church there's much more animosity concerning something like creation and evolution than this.
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The bible speaks of 3 comings of God.
1) a physical coming, manifestation of God. The 1st advent and the 2nd advent.
2) a spiritual coming, upon salvation. If anyone opens the door, I will come and dine with Him (Rev. 3:20)
3) a judgment coming, in which He comes to destroy a city or nation. Also know as the day of the Lord.
You seem to have a hard time grasping the 3rd, and many others. So I'm going to post some scriptures that give us an Idea of God coming. My question to you, Does God clearly say He is coming or will come? and did God actual make a visible appearance?
Isaiah 19:1
The Burden against Egypt.
Behold, the Lord rides on a swift cloud.
And will come into Egypt;...
Psalm 18:9
He bowed the heavens also and came down
With darkness under His feet.
Isaiah 34:5
"For My sword shall be bathed in heaved;
Indeed it shall come down on Edom,..."
Micah 1:1-2
The word of the Lord that came to Micah of Moresheth in the days of Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem. 2. Hear, all you peoples! Listen, O earth, and all that is in it! Let the Lord God be a witness against you, The Lord from His holy temple. 3. For behold, the Lord is coming out of His place; He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth.
Isaiah 26:21
For behold,the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;...
Revelation 2:16
"Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth..." (regarding to the things of the Pergamos Church, false doctrine).
Those who interpret most of Matt. 24 as already past, as the destruction of Jerusalem, are simply recognizing the genre of prophesy of destruction, decreation language, and applying it here as well. We are simply interpreting the Bible with the bible!
1) a physical coming, manifestation of God. The 1st advent and the 2nd advent.
2) a spiritual coming, upon salvation. If anyone opens the door, I will come and dine with Him (Rev. 3:20)
3) a judgment coming, in which He comes to destroy a city or nation. Also know as the day of the Lord.
You seem to have a hard time grasping the 3rd, and many others. So I'm going to post some scriptures that give us an Idea of God coming. My question to you, Does God clearly say He is coming or will come? and did God actual make a visible appearance?
Isaiah 19:1
The Burden against Egypt.
Behold, the Lord rides on a swift cloud.
And will come into Egypt;...
Psalm 18:9
He bowed the heavens also and came down
With darkness under His feet.
Isaiah 34:5
"For My sword shall be bathed in heaved;
Indeed it shall come down on Edom,..."
Micah 1:1-2
The word of the Lord that came to Micah of Moresheth in the days of Jotham, Ahaz and Hezekiah, kings of Judah, which he saw concerning Samaria and Jerusalem. 2. Hear, all you peoples! Listen, O earth, and all that is in it! Let the Lord God be a witness against you, The Lord from His holy temple. 3. For behold, the Lord is coming out of His place; He will come down and tread on the high places of the earth.
Isaiah 26:21
For behold,the Lord comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity;...
Revelation 2:16
"Repent, or else I will come to you quickly and will fight against them with the sword of My mouth..." (regarding to the things of the Pergamos Church, false doctrine).
Those who interpret most of Matt. 24 as already past, as the destruction of Jerusalem, are simply recognizing the genre of prophesy of destruction, decreation language, and applying it here as well. We are simply interpreting the Bible with the bible!
That's a shame, for the application which can be drawn for us today is God is victorious, and we can overcome world through His victory...He is with us, the injustices we suffer by the world will be vindicated sooner or later. And also, God cares about our works for what we do here on earth matters.
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who is paul talking to here, and what event is he speaking of?
Rom 11: [SUP]25 [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,[SUP][g][/SUP] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable
Rom 11: [SUP]25 [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,[SUP][g][/SUP] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[SUP][h][/SUP]
[SUP]28 [/SUP]Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. [SUP]29 [/SUP]For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable
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No it was not. If this "land promise" was spiritual and spoke of heaven:
1. Every person who was born into Abraham's family through Issac and jacob will enter heaven and be saved, because it was given to them. (spiritual Jerusalem)
2. The law (which was given for them to obey in order to possess this land) is the means by which they entered the "spiritual promised land" Heaven. And it was never salvation by faith.
3. Lev 26 would be a means to enter heaven, or get kicked out of heaven, and not a means by with Israel would know. If you do this, i will do that, If you keep on doing this, I will kick you out of your nand and destroy your holy City and sanctuary (which according to you is actually spiritual jerusalem) But even after this, if you repent, I will remember my covenant wiht your fathers, and I will let you back in to your land (which again according to you is the spiritual Israel or Jerusalem)
sorry. One can not spiritualize this promise., Romans 11 makes no sense if this is so. Not to mention all the OT prophesies which show Israel will one day repent, God will give thenm back their land (no Israel in th eland today is NOT the fulfilment of this, they are still in sin) and punish the gentiles, who treated you badly while you were in their care.
sorry bro.. There is just WAY to much stuff which does not come together in your view... Not being mean or sarcastic, Just stating how I see it.
1. Every person who was born into Abraham's family through Issac and jacob will enter heaven and be saved, because it was given to them. (spiritual Jerusalem)
2. The law (which was given for them to obey in order to possess this land) is the means by which they entered the "spiritual promised land" Heaven. And it was never salvation by faith.
3. Lev 26 would be a means to enter heaven, or get kicked out of heaven, and not a means by with Israel would know. If you do this, i will do that, If you keep on doing this, I will kick you out of your nand and destroy your holy City and sanctuary (which according to you is actually spiritual jerusalem) But even after this, if you repent, I will remember my covenant wiht your fathers, and I will let you back in to your land (which again according to you is the spiritual Israel or Jerusalem)
sorry. One can not spiritualize this promise., Romans 11 makes no sense if this is so. Not to mention all the OT prophesies which show Israel will one day repent, God will give thenm back their land (no Israel in th eland today is NOT the fulfilment of this, they are still in sin) and punish the gentiles, who treated you badly while you were in their care.
sorry bro.. There is just WAY to much stuff which does not come together in your view... Not being mean or sarcastic, Just stating how I see it.
Romans 9:6
New American Standard Bible
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;
Christ won't come till the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. All who deny Christ is a gentile. There is no distinction between Jew and gentile anymore! The unsaved people in the world are all in the same boat. When the age of the gentiles are fulfilled, meaning when all people who will be saved are saved, when God has completed His church, or bride, by faith in the cross (the mystery), so (in like manor) all Israel (switching from the physical Israel to the Spiritual Israel, the church) will be saved.
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Luke 21:24
24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Jerusalem is still being trampled by Gentiles, We have been living in the times of the Gentiles for 2000+ years and this time will end upon the 2nd coming of Christ, the end of time as we know it, and the true Israel of God will be fully vindicated by the blood of Christ and His power. All those who trusted in Christ for salvation have and will live life eternal in the final state, called the New Jerusalem, heaven etc. etc.
New American Standard Bible
But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel;
Christ won't come till the times of the gentiles are fulfilled. All who deny Christ is a gentile. There is no distinction between Jew and gentile anymore! The unsaved people in the world are all in the same boat. When the age of the gentiles are fulfilled, meaning when all people who will be saved are saved, when God has completed His church, or bride, by faith in the cross (the mystery), so (in like manor) all Israel (switching from the physical Israel to the Spiritual Israel, the church) will be saved.
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Luke 21:24
24 And they will fall by the edge of the sword, and be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem will be trampled by Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.
Jerusalem is still being trampled by Gentiles, We have been living in the times of the Gentiles for 2000+ years and this time will end upon the 2nd coming of Christ, the end of time as we know it, and the true Israel of God will be fully vindicated by the blood of Christ and His power. All those who trusted in Christ for salvation have and will live life eternal in the final state, called the New Jerusalem, heaven etc. etc.
-- Thanks for your opinion bro.