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i would agree, for the most part. which is why i wondered how this made any sense...
Daniel said it would be seen in the holy place. This is a literal event. Where the holy place of the jewish temple is desecrated (made unclean)
the bible doesn't say the place the jews think is holy or anything. it says holy place. so how would any new temple be holy. that was what i wasn't clear on.
Daniel said it would be seen in the holy place. This is a literal event. Where the holy place of the jewish temple is desecrated (made unclean)
the bible doesn't say the place the jews think is holy or anything. it says holy place. so how would any new temple be holy. that was what i wasn't clear on.
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matt 24: [SUP]21 [/SUP]For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. [SUP]22 [/SUP]And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
[SUP]29 [/SUP]“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
is this another example of your day-year principle?
Num 14:34 After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days, each day for a year, shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye shall know my breach of promise.
Eze 4:6 And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side, and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days: I have appointed thee each day for a year.
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1. the second temple was only abominated by antiochus epiphanis. The roman army did not abominate it wiht an idol to desecrate it, they destroyed it (as babylon did) (and even if they did. No one could SEE IT, except those in the temple at that time. Which would be but a few people if that)
2. Moses is the one who wrote down the name given by God
3. It would be the same no matter what temple it was (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th..etc etc)
it is what the mae of the inner sanctum, or holy of holys, or most holy place it was given many names. it was th eplace the high priest entered once a year on the day of atonement. Where the mercy seat stood. etc etc. there was a viel betwen it, this veil was torn in two when jesus died.
Same place.
I should have know better. See Jesus uses this type of language in the OT to describe the fall of cities and nations such as Egypt, Ancient Israel and Judea, Babylon, Tyre, Ammon etc. etc. and He is also doing it here in Matt. 24 to describe the fall of Jerusalem. "No flesh" could be referring to those who live in Jerusalem, for I believe the whole context up to verse 35 centers around Jerusalem and the temple. We've been down this road before...This a type of genre that you don't want to recognize, so we really can't converse any more on this for it would be futile.
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I should have know better. See Jesus uses this type of language in the OT to describe the fall of cities and nations such as Egypt, Ancient Israel and Judea, Babylon, Tyre, Ammon etc. etc. and He is also doing it here in Matt. 24 to describe the fall of Jerusalem. "No flesh could be referring to those who live in Jerusalem, for the whole context up to verse 35 centers around Jerusalem and the temple. We've been down this road before...This a type of genre that you don't want to recognize, so we really can't converse any more on this for it would be futile.
Yes PART of what was answered concerned jerusalem. But parrts did not.
the great tribulation in the OT was always world wide. it concerned the gentile leader or beast, and Gods wrath was directed at him, not jerusalem.
The fact Jesus makes certain, that after this tribulation returns (which by the way, was the reason this thread was started, if this happened in 70 AD why did jesus not return as promised)
and as for your last comment, it is not that I do not want to/. it is just I can not take ALL prophesy throughout ALL scripture. and make it line up the way you want me to see it. it has nothing to do with wanting to or not.
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Isaiah 25:8
he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove his people's disgrace from all the earth. The LORD has spoken.
Isaiah 60:20
Your sun will never set again, and your moon will wane no more; the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of sorrow will end.
Isaiah 65:19
I will rejoice over Jerusalem and take delight in my people; the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard in it no more.
Revelation 21:4
and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away."
There is still tears, there is still death, there is still morning, crying, and pain. If we look at another verse have all the dead rose with the living to be judged?
Isaiah 26:19
But your dead will live, LORD; their bodies will rise-- let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy-- your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.
Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
he will swallow up death forever. The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears from all faces; he will remove his people's disgrace from all the earth. The LORD has spoken.
Isaiah 60:20
Your sun will never set again, and your moon will wane no more; the LORD will be your everlasting light, and your days of sorrow will end.
Isaiah 65:19
I will rejoice over Jerusalem and take delight in my people; the sound of weeping and of crying will be heard in it no more.
Revelation 21:4
and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away."
There is still tears, there is still death, there is still morning, crying, and pain. If we look at another verse have all the dead rose with the living to be judged?
Isaiah 26:19
But your dead will live, LORD; their bodies will rise-- let those who dwell in the dust wake up and shout for joy-- your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead.
Revelation 20:12-13
And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead which were in them; and they were judged, every one of them according to their deeds.
“But immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. [SUP]30 [/SUP]And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory. [SUP]31 [/SUP]And He will send forth His angels with a great trumpet and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; [SUP]33 [/SUP]so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Luke 22:18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”
John 19:30
Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.
[SUP]32 [/SUP]“Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; [SUP]33 [/SUP]so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. [SUP]34 [/SUP]Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
Matthew 5:18
For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Luke 22:18 for I say to you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine from now on until the kingdom of God comes.”
John 19:30
Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.
